The UN ceasefire deal on Israel and Hezbollah

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Lots of discussion about the UN ceasefire deal (read Kofi Annan’s ‘give peace a chance’ speech here) going on in the blogosphere. Olmert has signaled that he’s ok with it, and the AP is reporting today that Nasrallah has said Hezbollah will as well.

Several worrisome things about this: This deal doesn’t require Hezbollah to disarm. It asks for Israel and Lebanon to work out a compromise where Hezbollah would disarm. Like that’s going to happen. There isn’t anything forceful in the resolution about Hezbollah unconditionally releasing the IDF soldiers Hezbollah captured, either. Also, doesn’t this ceasefire deal effectively recognize Hezbollah as a “state”? If so, that’s worrying.

Olmert’s support amongst Israelis is already slipping, and once word of this ‘ceasefire agreement’ spreads, it’s likely to go down even more. Can’t say as I blame them.

Captain Ed calls the ceasfire deal a ‘mixed bag’ – while Rick Moran gives a much less charitable view of it.

On a semi-related note, check out the oh so ‘helpful’ “Green Helmet Guy” – the director’s cut:

Sick.

LGF has more on “Green Helmet Guy” here.

(Hat tip for the “GHG” video: my friend Dunk)

72 thoughts on “The UN ceasefire deal on Israel and Hezbollah

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  2. This is so sad. Hell as far as we know Hezbolah killed this child just so they could take these pictures. After all wouldn’t he be considered a martyr for the cause??? I feel for this child, but I have no trust for Hezbolah or the leftist press that are allied with them. – Lorica

  3. – Speaking of propaganda, theres an interesting post by a fromer AP reporter at LGF, which goes a long way to explaining the anti-Isreali bias we’ve seen from Reuters and AP.

    – On the Isreali war/ UN resolution thing, the majority of Israeli’s, and the military, right down to the grunts on the ground are mightily pissed at the meek response coming from Olmert and the gang in the Knessa. If the elections were held tomorrow the outcome is no longer in doubt. Natenyahoo couldn’t be in a stronger position after this. thats the general crus of the comments I’m seeing on Israeli blogsites.

    – Bush, Regis, and Rice are all pushing the ball back in the Lebanon side of the court, by forcing through this “cease fire”, hoping the Hezzi’s will ignore it when Israel stops, and then they will have the clear moral highground to go in with real force and finish the job. No one really thinks the resolution is anything other than a political ploy. It was necessary some think because of Olmerts foot dragging. everyone knows the only way Hezbollah will ever disarm is when they are all dead.

    – Bang **==

  4. That Olmert’s support is slipping is not surprising. There has been a singular lack of decisive leadership. Israel, obviously in the right, couldn’t decide whether to invade or not to invade. They moved in fits and starts, never having a clear plan, and deciding on military strategy by committee. This is a recipe for disaster.

    I support Israel wholeheartedly but I don’t see how they can come out of this with anything approaching a win. The only Israeli action that would make sense to me would be a full scale military invasion, not stopping until Hezbollah is completely routed. That isn’t likely to happen, however, because when many people are in charge, no one is in charge.

    If this UN deal actually results in a real cease fire, all that means is Hezbollah will rearm and regroup and we’ll do this all over again another day.

  5. Several worrisome things about this: This deal doesn’t require Hezbollah to disarm. It asks for Israel and Lebanon to work out a compromise where Hezbollah would disarm. Like that’s going to happen.

    Well, see, that’s why it’s called a “ceasefire deal.” A deal requires give and take on both sides. If this deal required Hezbollah to disarm, with Israel allowed to keep its military capacity intact, that would not be a ceasefire deal, that would be a surrender. Surrender is not a deal.

    There isn’t anything forceful in the resolution about Hezbollah unconditionally releasing the IDF soldiers Hezbollah captured, either.

    The agreement does call for Hezbollah to unconditionally release the IDF soldiers it captured. What you, I’m guessing, are objecting to is the fact that the Security Council also included language acknowledging the fact that Israel is still holding Lebanese prisoners from its invasion and occupation of Lebanon in the 1980s and 1990s and urging Israel and Lebanon to negotiate a settlement to that problem asap. It is actually a rather large concession on Lebanon’s part that they are accepting such an unbalanced deal. Israel is violating international law by continuing to hold Lebanese POWs, and Lebanon has every right to expect that its prisoners will be released in exchange for Lebanon’s release of the IDF soldiers.

    Also, doesn’t this ceasefire deal effectively recognize Hezbollah as a “state”? If so, that’s worrying.

    Hezbollah IS effectively a state. You know why? Because Israel destroyed the country of Lebanon in the 1982 war, and along with that, the ability of the state to provide the basic humanitarian survival needs of the Lebanese people afterward. Hezbollah was a response to that need. They became a social welfare organization — feeding, clothing, getting medical care for, and in every other essential way helping Lebanese civilians to survive and recover. The government couldn’t do it. In case you’re not getting my point, here it is: Hezbollah exists as a direct result of the Israeli war against and occupation of Lebanon, which lasted for 20 years and was very brutal. And Hezbollah has the overwhelming support of the Lebanese people. You can blame Israel for that, not Lebanese civilians.

  6. Yeah, right Kathy, Hezbollah is all the Jooooo’s fault! If only the Jooooo’s would build schools for the Lebanese (on top of weapon’s depots) they would all be sitting down singing kumbaya.

    Naivete like yours is amazing to behold at times. Not uncommon, unfortunately, but amazing nonetheless.

    Hezbollah exists because the Arabs hate the Jooooo’s. But then, at least they are honest enough to come out and admit it.

  7. And we all know, kathy, that the evil Joooo’s only invaded Lebanon because they are nasty evil Joooo’s right? The Lebanese and Syrians and other Arab states never did anything to Israel, other than starting every war Israel has ever been in. If Isreal was as bad as their Arab neighbors, there wouldn’t be an Arab state or city left standing for 1000 miles in any direction around Israel.

    But it’s all the Jooooo’s fault to you isn’t it?

  8. “And Hezbollah has the overwhelming support of the Lebanese people. You can blame Israel for that, not Lebanese civilians.”

    – and I’m the fairy princess…

    – Yet another “cut and run” Lefty, making sure no person over the age of six misses the “progressives” cowardice. Good luck moonbats.

    – Bang **==

  9. And another “blame the victim” type. Kathy, no matter how you dissemble, how many words you post to try and cover it up, you should know that you can’t polish a turd. l-)

  10. Also, Severian, you can spin it all you wish, but the fact is that Hezbollah came out of the Israeli invasion and occupation of Lebanon. The organization did not exist before 1982.

    If you want more Hezbollahs, go right on supporting Israel when it carries out the same policies that created the first one. I, for one, think one Hezbollah is more than enough.

  11. That’s a laugh coming from a closet anti-Semite like yourself Kathy. And no matter how much you try and blame the victim, Israel has never started a war. But then, you and your leftist friends are all alike, blame the victim, it was her fault for wearing that short skirt, and it’s Isreal’s fault for fighting for their very existance against people who keep attacking them. Guess, in your little mind, Isreal just wandered into Lebanon in 82 just because they wanted to steal land from those peace loving Arabs.

    You, Kathy, have the understanding of the world and the maturity of a child. You keep thinking that if you say up is down, left is right, and hiding from realtiy long enough, the sugar plum fairy will wave their magic wand and you won’t have to suffer with the real world anymore. Well, it ain’t gonna happen, and all you and your ilk do is prolong the agony and encourage the violent barbarians of the world, who smell weakness and fear on your breath.

    When immature, unsophisticated, whiny types like you just kept to yourselves, you all were just barely tolerable. Now that you insist on trying to drag all the rest of us into your delusional world, and encourage and support the terrorists in the process, you’ve ceased to be amusing. We can no longer afford to just pat you on your little curly head and tell you go go out and play, you are desperately in need of an education into how the world really works, but I’m afraid the only way you’ll ever wake up, if even then, is when you’re being frog marched down to the local mosque to clean their floors.

    Till then, you can be thankful that the Joooo’s are doing the heavy lifting that we should be helping with. Now I expect the usual racist, anti-Semitic response of “some of my best friends are Jewish” or “I can’t be an anti-Semite, I like bagels and lox!” or some other idiotic rationalization out of you.

    Keep polishing that turd you call your reality Kathy.

  12. – You’re worried your beloved Islamofascists are going to bite the big one. I can smell it. You should be. When the Hezzi-Nazi’s break the truce, and they will just like the other 57 times, then Israel will be given the green light by everyone, including Egypt, Jordon, and the Saudi’s, to go back in and eradicate the entire source of instability in the ME, the proxy mini-army of the Iranians/Syrians.

    – Yeh. If I were an anti-West, anti-American “cut and runner” I’d be worried too.

    – Bang **==

  13. Kathy states:

    Hezbollah IS effectively a state. You know why? Because Israel destroyed the country of Lebanon in the 1982 war, and along with that, the ability of the state to provide the basic humanitarian survival needs of the Lebanese people afterward. Hezbollah was a response to that need. The government couldn’t do it.

    I do not agree with you Kathy.

    First of all, Hezbollah is NOT a state.
    It is not elected, it is not in charge.

    Lebanon has its own government and it is not called Hezbollah.

    Second, if caring for the people, feeding them, clothing them (which I think we are reaching on just how humanitarian they are when they use these same people as human shields), this does not make them a state. It makes them an organization.

    If your words held truth then the churches that help the poor by feeding them and clothing them would be considered a state, and welfare departments would be considered a state.

    Your wrong in this because there is a Lebonon government, and hezbollah is not that government, they are a rogue organization that has taken over southern lebanon to the point even the Lebonese government has to ASK PERMISSION from Hezbollah to enter that portion of their own country.

  14. Good point Bang. Ever notice that whenever the Islamofacists are getting their asses handed to them, that’s when the leftists really ramp up the “you’re just making more terrorists!” routine? It’s as predictable as the sun rising in the east (well, for us anyway, who knows where the sun rises in their world).

  15. Oh and Kathy, don’t bother trying to play the “racist card”, when you know you’re not arguing an issue as mush as losing with your backwards Noamesque “relativism”.

    – I’m a “Jooo”, and I feel neither insulted, nor disrespected when it’s coming from people who really mean what they say. When I watch the cowards on the Left practice deception, hiding behind the “big lie” of tolorance, even while you do everything you can to obstruct the WOT, and support Israel, and America’s sworn enemies, I feel both insulted and disrepected. your mask has slipped, and all the wotld knows what you on the Left are now. Get used to the “coward/bigot” label, it’s here to stay for the moonbat idiotarians.

    – Bang **==

  16. Kathy, I got to agree with Sev, Sanity, Bang and most everybody else that posts on Sister, cuz you are wrong little missy.
    The hezzbos are vicious murderers killing the innocents of Lebanon by putting friggin missels in homes, schools and places of worship and then getting photoshop pictures taken by reuters to lie to the world.
    Get your head outta the sand girl, go see World Trade Towers and then come back and post, we’ll see how real you are. [-x[-x

  17. First of all, Severian, you live in a world of make-believe filled with the boogiemen you have created out of your own prejudices, stereotyped thinking, and inability to imagine any possibility that does not jibe with the preconceived, prepackaged reality you hear about from Fox News or Bill O’Reilly or Ann Coulter, or any of the other hate-filled, xenophobic, belligerent nationalism that passes for information on the right. You stuff everything into the tiny little cubbyhole you believe is reality, and anything that doesn’t fit, you discard. You are the one who cannot understand what is real and what is not real.

    Second, you would not know what anti-Semitism was if it hit you in the face. Which it hasn’t, of course, because you’re not Jewish. Your last paragraph confirms what I suspected: that if an idea or a possibility does not fit into your stereotyped way of viewing the world, then you can’t even conceive it. You have a particular set of very opaque glasses through which you view anyone who expresses an opinion that is different from yours, and anything that those glasses don’t show you does not exist for you, and cannot even be imagined. If you ever did see what is really in front of you rather than what your prejudices tell you is in front of you, you would instantly reach for an entirely new set of prejudices to explain what you clearly couldn’t even imagine a minute before.

    I’m betting that even after you read this, you will not get it. And I choose not to spell it out for you, because why should I do your thinking for you?

  18. Yawn…Kathy, why don’t you come back when you grow up and have managed to find a clue. Don’t be too depressed, even a blind pig finds an acorn sometimes.

    You’re a fine one to lecture about prejudices and anti-Semitism and reality. Go back to your bedroom community filled with other mindless, immature little children. The “real” world is just to complex, too violent, and too unforgiving of ignorance and stupidity for you to manage it. You’re better off getting your news an opinions spoon fed to you by MoveOn and DU and other such twits. Like I said, we no longer have the luxury of just patting you on the head, this is deadly serious, and you and your ilk are just not up to the task. If you want to commit suicide, do it without us.l-)

  19. Hey, I just thought of something! Y’all want to start a pool on how much longer it’ll take Kathy to Frisch out on us? :d I give her until tomorrow afternoon.

  20. As long as it takes her favorite little terrorist group to launch a barrage of Katyusha rockets from the middle of a residential neighborhood..

  21. As long as it takes her favorite little terrorist group to launch a barrage of Katyusha rockets from the middle of a residential neighborhood..

    And shoot some more women and children in the back and pose them with Mr Green Helmet for those wonderful propaganda pictures.

  22. Tell me this though….

    If the KKK helped feed, cloth, give water, medical service, ect to all the white people but continued a active campaign to kill all the black people that lived nearby, would you still support them?

    I mean they are feeding, clothing, ect all the white people, so you can overlook the fact they are murdering black people right? It makes them a state? Something to be applauded and honored?

    This conflict was started by Hezbollah when they INVADED Israel, killed its citizens and kidnapped some of their soldiers.

    Israel was living in peace, no attacks on Lebanon at all, UNTIL Hezbollah invaded, killed and kidnapped Israelis.

  23. Yes, yes, I know about the Israel / Lebanon war/occupation.

    no attacks on Lebanon at all

    Was meant at this time and space, not during that period of time.

  24. I think you’ve got it backwards sanity. In people like Kathy’s mind, what would happen is that the Black Panthers would be feeding and clothing the blacks, while randomly killing whites, and that’d be just fine with her, cause, like, after all, some white people did something mean to some black people a hundred and fifty years ago. Kathy is a prime example of that type of loon that is so “enlightened” she won’t even take her own side in an argument, and who feels it’s a sign of her sensitivity and high morals to support people who want to kill and maim her.

  25. Your probably right on that flipping of it, but the arguement still holds regardless.

    Just because they seem to be doing good for a group of people does not give them the right to try and obliterate another.

    Dragging up past difficulties and problems to try and continue is stupid.

    The only way past this is to move ahead. Leave the problems in the past and move forward. Holding grudges against what happened will only keep the conflict going.

    Your analogy with the black panthers is probably more appropriate for what we are trying to explain, but essentially same thing I was trying to explain.

  26. Your point was very valid and on the money sanity. It works both ways. Doing good allows you to do evil with impunity only if you’re not the US apparently. We get nothing but grief from people like her for accidentally killing people no matter how much we give and give and give to the poor and disadvantaged of the world. But let Hezbollah set up a school or three on top of weapons depots, in order to better hide behind civilians, and that apprarently justifies no end of nastiness and civilian deaths when they rain rockets down on Israel.

  27. You’ve really stepped into it now, Kathy.

    Stepped into what, ST? Everything that I read here tells me you guys are living in some kind of video game fantasy world that you can’t break out of even when it’s clear that it’s not real and it’s not protecting you.

    Like I said, we no longer have the luxury of just patting you on the head, this is deadly serious, and you and your ilk are just not up to the task. If you want to commit suicide, do it without us.

    You are absolutely right, this IS deadly serious, but the problem is that everything the far right (that’s you) believed and continue to believe about what will work has been proved wrong. But that’s not the worst part. The worst part is that you look at failure and see success. You can’t see it. And it scares me, because if people like you don’t start to wake up and realize how much danger Bush and his cronies have put us in with their illegal spy programs that do nothing to keep us safe, then we’ll all be dead sooner rather than later.

    Israel was living in peace, no attacks on Lebanon at all, UNTIL Hezbollah invaded, killed and kidnapped Israelis.

    That is simply not true. Objectively, flat-out not true. There have been constant border incursions on both sides. Hezbollah is certainly not blameless (far from it), but neither is Israel. And Israel DID invade and occupy Lebanon, which IS what helped bring Hezbollah to power. And unless you address the fact (or push those in power to address the fact) that Hezbollah is very popular in Lebanon and that its popularity will only increase as Israel continues to bomb and kill innocent civilians, then things will only get worse. If you support Israel going down that road, you are advocating World War III (or IV, if you’re going to insist that the Cold War was III). That’s what comes from not facing reality, ST, Severian, Bang, etc. It’s not anti-Semitic to support the policy that will actually advance Israel’s security rather than making it worse.

    Wow, it sounds like Hezbollah has their new P.R. manager!! Way to go, Kathy!

    Well, if the job of a P.R. manager is to promote her client’s interests, then those who support the policies that will advance Hezbollah’s interests are logically the ones who could be called Hezbollah’s P.R. manager. Right? Your blind support for Israeli military policies that are self-destructive and have actually been proved by past events to be failure-guaranteed is, in effect, advancing Hezbollah’s interests. That may not be your intent, but it is, in truth, the effect of what you advocate. Think about that before you tell ME I am Hezbollah’s P.R. manager.

    We get nothing but grief from people like her for accidentally killing people no matter how much we give and give and give to the poor and disadvantaged of the world. But let Hezbollah set up a school or three on top of weapons depots, in order to better hide behind civilians, and that apprarently justifies no end of nastiness and civilian deaths when they rain rockets down on Israel.

    But we DON’T give and give and give to the poor and disadvantaged of the world. We absolutely don’t. The U.S. gives the smallest percentage of its GNP to humanitarian (nonmilitary) foreign aid of any industrialized country. I’m not sure of the exact figure, but I think it’s under 1 percent.

    I didn’t say that Hezbollah’s social welfare work justifies the acts of terrorism it commits. You jumped to that conclusion, because you cannot fathom how anyone could recognize that Hezbollah has helped to feed, clothe, house, etc., Lebanese civilians unless they supported Hezbollah’s terrorist operations. This is simply not true. People like Severian keep saying that oh, this is such a violent, complex world, and I am being so childish and naive. Well, it IS a complex world, and in a complex world, you cannot reduce truth to simplicities like “Hezbollah is a terrorist organization so that means they can’t possibly be helping Lebanese civilians.” They can, and they do, and that is a simple, plain fact that you have to acknowledge if you are going to take the next step and ask yourself WHY there is such an enormous humanitarian need, WHY Hezbollah are the only ones stepping in to fill it, what the effect will be if another country (like Israel) does things that increase the severity of the humanitarian need, and whether we all can support policies that address the simple reality of cause and effect, action and consequence, even when those realities are morally complex. Reality is not like a Saturday morning cartoon, you know. I wish you people could understand that.

    And by the way, there is no evidence that Hezbollah hides behind civilians and lots of evidence that they don’t. That is not because Hezbollah members are good and kind and considerate. It’s because they are paranoid about civilian informers. They don’t want their military arm to have anything to do with civilians. That’s another reality you don’t want to face. You can acknowledge FACT: that Hezbollah does not hide weapons in civilian areas because they think it’s too risky, and STILL hold to the position that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. They can both be true. Life is not a comic book.

    One more thing. Severian, I am Jewish. I come from a family of Holocaust survivors. My grandmother died in Auschwitz. Three-quarters of my father’s extended family was wiped out. One of the things my father instilled in me and my brother from our earliest years, from as far back as I can remember, is that we (meaning we Jews) must NEVER, ever do to others what was done to us. That does not just mean we must never put people in ovens. It means we must never start to view an entire group of people, an entire religion, an entire ethnic grouping, as demons, as evil, as subhuman, as not deserving of respect, much less life. That way lies the ovens. Maybe not immediately. But that way does lie the ovens.

    Maybe you don’t agree with my father’s reasoning. I’m sure you don’t. But don’t tell me that I’m anti-Semitic. Because that only proves that you are an ignoramus.

  28. Kathy, my dear sweet fool, go on back over to kos or code pinkie and pedal that crap there cuz at Sister’s it ain’t gonna fly.
    Take good advice from a grown up cuz the hezzbos in our country would just as soon behead you as us.
    Good Nite.^:)^

  29. Because you’re trying to “educate” conservatives here who have just about had it for anti-Israel ‘let’s leave everybody alone’ apologists like yourself. Your comment that we should ‘stop supporting Israel’ is all I needed to know in terms of whether or not to take anything you say seriously on the subject.

  30. Now, is Kathy really Jewish, or is she Jewish like the callers into conservative talk radio are really “Republicans.” Or is she, like Jackie Mason says, one of the Jews who would rather be attacked by contaminated turtles rather than vote Republican?

    On the other hand, who cares? She’s just another in a long list of moonbats and lemmings all desperately telling us how independent and individualistic they are while they march lock step off the cliff. Once again, Kathy has taken that old Soviet saw “quanity has a quality all it’s own” to heart, not realizing that it applies only to armored combat and tanks, not the number of words used to try and hold up a morally and intellectually bankrupt ideology.

  31. Kathy, take a walk. A long walk. You are in a gunfight armed with foolish ignorance as though it should have some hidden and magic power. If you were ever smart, try to recall that time and return to that time, during your walk.

    We’ve all seen and heard the over wrought, over played race card crap, for more than a quarter of a century. You have nothing to say so – edit. fh

  32. “I come from a family of Holocaust survivors. My grandmother died in Auschwitz. Three-quarters of my father’s extended family was wiped out.”

    – I too have 138 relatives burried in the German concentration camps. Some burned in the ovens, some hung, some gassed. There were some in the ghetto’s of Poland that talked and thought the way you do Kathy. they were the first to be shot. If you think you hate the fact that real american’s give your idiotarian side a hard time for your stupid anti-world of reality views, you wouldn’t have tyo worry about it under a fascist of Marxist regime. the Liberal “elites” are always the first to be dispatched when the tyrrants march in.

    It is without a doubt, the height of idiocy to suffer that kind of loss, and then turn around and want to hug and kumbaya with the new face of fascism. Why would anyone with an ounce of character think this way?

    – Unfortunately terrorism works with a percentage of any population. Capitulate, and just maybe you can survive. The “victim” mentality, cowed into Dhimmitude.

    – Maybe that’s your gut reaction to the new Islamic “Mein Kampf” rising (Jihad in German by the way), but just as fortunately, stronger people than you Kathy, take up the fight for freedom, and our country.

    – It’s obvious that the Left is populated by timid souls that would gladly give up their liberty, rather than meet the threat honestly and boldly. Fear can do strange things to a person, a truth the Jihadists count on, and exploit.

    – I notice you never reply to my posts. I don’t blame you. I tend to cut through all the Liberal “soft” Marxist babble, and expose all your bankrupt idea’s for what they really are. Revisionist propaganda. History is pappered with the souls of 100 million people that died for your brand of stupidity and appeasement rhetoric.

    The Left continues to try to seduce the Western world into global suicide. It isn’t going to happen if those of us that value life and liberty have anything to say about it.

    – Bang **==

  33. Another excellent point SEV. Just had that armor conversation a few days ago w/respect to the F-22’s versus say, oh, everything.

  34. =d> BBH: EXACTLY!!!

    The thug-lovers have zero grasp of how fear empowers the terrorists. NONE WHATSOEVER!

  35. – The Leftard morons, scared witless, or believing they can outsmart the murdering Jihadist thugs, are trying to march lockstep to their executions, and they want the rest of us to join them. Even religious objecters are at least honest about their fear, instead of trying to hide it in a torrent of stupidly obstinant words, and rhetorical babble.

    – Bang **==

  36. “proved by past events to be failure-guaranteed is, in effect, advancing Hezbollah’s interests.”

    Only because of people that think like you. I’m sure Hezbollah appreciates the cease fire that will allow them to rearm and resupply so that they once again may kill Israelis.

    By the way I did think about what I said before I posted and every word you type only proves my point further, thanks.

  37. but the problem is that everything the far right (that’s you) believed and continue to believe about what will work has been proved wrong.

    Has it? The only thing that has taken place is constant ceasefires, giving away land, etc. All the ceasefires do is give the Hezbollah and their kind a chance to rearm. The only way to get peace is through victory. What we want is for Israel to win, period. And people like you prevent it.

    Well, it’s 10:28 pm on the west coast.. probably time for you to go put on your Che pajamas. Perhaps curl up with Mao’s Little Red Book and doze off, dreaming of a world where Israel no longer exists to push the poor little Hezbos around.

  38. Bang, your comments about your relatives was very moving and I seriously doubt kathy is Jewish.
    That’s kinda like me trying to claim I’m mama sheenuts illegitiment daughter, who went to Iraq but changed my mind and now I am a member of codie pinkie.

    Kathy, paging Kathy, kool-aid is now being served on the balcony. :d=))

  39. Damn the IDF for interfering with Hezbollah’s experiments in model rocktry. Can’t a jihadist thug even have a fun hobby any more? Oh the humanity! 8-|

  40. but the problem is that everything the far right (that’s you) believed and continue to believe about what will work has been proved wrong.

    Has it? The only thing that has taken place is constant ceasefires, giving away land, etc. All the ceasefires do is give the Hezbollah and their kind a chance to rearm. The only way to get peace is through victory. What we want is for Israel to win, period. And people like you prevent it.

    Yeah, I notice that this type of person, while whining and protesting for “peace” (which means surrender and withdrawal) always seems to be completely oblivious to what happened when we “gave peace a chance” in Vietnam. The left is always so hell bent on Vietnam analogies, let’s examine our “give peace a chance” moment 30 years ago, when we cut and ran, and it resulted in the deaths of 4 million people. But, you know, it’s only the right who continues to push failed policies. Communism has never worked, but that’s not because it’s flawed you know, it’s just because the evil right wingers have prevented it from being applied properly! 8-|

  41. – Remember Kommrads – 100 million deaths, and a century of failure proves nothing!

    (Brought to you by Laika the space dog, beaming truthiness to tinhats everywhere since 1957.)

    – Bang **==

  42. That’s my favorite new t-shirt Bang! From thoseshirts.com, it has a pic of Che’, and says “Communism killed 100 million people and all I got was this lousy t-shirt!” :)

  43. Your comment that we should ‘stop supporting Israel’ is all I needed to know in terms of whether or not to take anything you say seriously on the subject.

    Except that I didn’t say “stop supporting Israel.” And that tells me everything I need to know (and already knew) about both the intelligence and the integrity of the right.

    Severian’s Now, is Kathy really Jewish…

    and Drewsmom’s …Bang, your comments about your relatives was very moving and I seriously doubt kathy is Jewish…

    … confirmed everything I wrote about the inability of right-wingers to accept as true anything that conflicts with their narrow conception of reality. Whether you “believe” I am Jewish or not is of no account to me. What matters most is that you have just proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that your thinking is rigid, absolutist, and fanatical; and that your mind is only able to accept what it already believes to be true. Anything else is rejected as being not true, not possible, and indeed, not even worth considering.

    Thank you for telling me, in so many words, that I was absolutely right about you.

  44. Kathy: “Except that I didn’t say “stop supporting Israel.”

    Kathy earlier: “If you want more Hezbollahs, go right on supporting Israel when it carries out the same policies that created the first one.”

    Your last post: “And that tells me everything I need to know (and already knew) about both the intelligence and the integrity of the right.”

    ST: Your inability for you to remember what you’ve said the day before tells us everything we need to know about your intelligence and integrity, which right now equals to about zero. Come back to us, Kathy, when you have the ability to separate fantasy from reality (and not the reality you helpfully make up to try and justify what you say, which flies in the face of the truth.)

    You’ve made several errors in this thread, too numerous to mention (some have already been addressed). One of the biggest ones was your bit abou there being “no evidence” that Hezbollah was hiding out in civilian populations. That is a flat out LIE. You want to talk about integrity? I suggest you look in a mirror and say the same thing you said to us about it, except change the word right to “far left.”

    You may think you can get away with inventing alternate realities Kathy, and maybe you can elsewhere but you won’t do it here and get away with it.

  45. Hey, our favorite cyber-pinata is back! It’s so cute when people like her try and lecture us about being closed minded and having a “narrow conception of reality” and such. I guess we’re just narrow minded because we don’t sign up for whatever the delusion de jour is in Kathy’s world. Damn, I’m sooo hurt…sniff…sniff…:((

    Kathy, your credibility and rationality are less than zero, ST is being charitable.

    But, thank you for playing. Tell her what she’s won Don Pardoe!

    Sister, Sev, Kathy has won this beautiful pink feather boa. Made of finest sythetic feathers, it won’t upset the PETA crowd, and is the perfect accompaniment for whatever Marxist slogal t-shirt she chooses to wear, and will be the talk of the nutroots town at the next anti-war or anti-Israel rally she attends!

    Thanks Don, back to you Sister! =))

  46. – You just cannot parody the Left anymore. They’ve become a parody of themselves. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if one of the Vunderkliene in the moonbat enclave comes up with a new theory that Bush hired the freedom loving terrorists to fly planes into the WTC, and to kidnap Isreali soldiers to foment the war.

    – These people are so out of touch with reality, you have to wonder why they’re out walking free
    on the streets. I’m still digging, trying to find a link or a posting of that poll taken from Liberal dingbats where they admitted that 74% of them have one or more mental issues. You look at the wild, unsubstantiated things they believe and say, and then they wonder why they aren’t trusted with political power, and that irony right there, and their inability to process that ignimonious position, tells you all you need to know. Apparently the onset of BDS preceeds to all out mental delusions, and a total loss of perspective.

    – The “elite” are more nearly like the savant idiots. Fortunately for the country, they represent a very small group in the far Left gaggle. None of my Democratic friends believe any of this nonsense they make up. In fact I don’t believe the so-called “progressives” are really Democrats. They’re self-styled Marxists that have hi-jacked the Dem party, in much the same way that the Islamofascists have hi-jacked the Muslim religion. They’re such pathological liars, they won’t even admit what they really are.

    – Bang **==

  47. Kathy, I am not responsible for your outright ignorance on the issue. Nor am I interested in doing the research you should do yourself, because you, like many other leftists, will either downplay it or assert that it’s not true. You guys just continue to dream up your own realities, facts be damned (in fact, you’ve already done so in this thread). It’s not suprising, but after a while, it gets annoying – and then, boring. Waste of time.

    The answer to your question is in a blogpost I did here about a week ago. Utilize the search feature if you’re really interested. I’m beyond caring what you think about me, quite frankly, but your continued questioning of the integrity of my readers is over. As of right now. –ST

  48. In fact I don’t believe the so-called “progressives” are really Democrats. They’re self-styled Marxists that have hi-jacked the Dem party, in much the same way that the Islamofascists have hi-jacked the Muslim religion. They’re such pathological liars, they won’t even admit what they really are.

    There’s great deal of truth in that Bang. Many “mainstream” Dems have sold out to the nutroots, in an attempt to gain power, get funding, etc. Their mistake was in not realizing that there was no way they’d ever be able to control people who are that mentally ill, and it has all the hallmarks of mental illness. They do change the words they use, they keep on with their unsupportable and reprehensible views and behaviors until they taint a word, like liberal, then move on to another in the hope the world won’t see them for who they are. Classic Newspeak at work, unfortunately these people view Orwell’s 1984 as an instrucion manual not a cautionary tale.

    It is hard to parody a parody, you’re right on that account.

  49. Goes to the old joke we talked about the other day Sev. When they sold out, it was no longer a question of what they were but what they were becoming and now is the negotiation aspect. Go ahead you tell it better than I.

    Back to you Don!=))

  50. Well, ST, I took you up on your offer and searched for your “evidence” that Hezbollah hides weapons and fighters among civilians. I typed “Hezbollah civilians” in the Search box (without the quotes). I also tried “Hezbollah hiding civilians.”

    The results? Nothing. My search criteria didn’t match any of your posts.

    I won’t speculate on why that is, but I agree with you that pursuing this matter is a waste of time.

    Kathy

  51. That’s odd ST, I typed Kathy has an idea in one hand and a clue in the other in the search box and I got something similar.

    “The results? Nothing. My search criteria didn’t match any of your posts.

    I won’t speculate on why that is, but I agree with you that pursuing this matter is a waste of time.”

  52. Really Kathy, you MUST try harder…..

    I typed CIVILIANS and much came up for me.

    Like THIS

    So if it took me all of 2 or 3 seconds to find this, it shouldn’t be that hard for you.

    The results are not “nothing” as you stated.

  53. Jeez, it’s not hard is it ST?

    The letter-writer, who identified himself as Dr. Mounir Herzallah, said he was a Shiite from southern Lebanon who had lived there until 2002. After the Israelis withdrew from the area in 2000, he recalled, Hezbollah moved into his town, dug rocket depots in bunkers, and then built a school and a residence over those bunkers.

    The letter went on: “Laughing, a local sheikh explained to me that the Jews would lose in any event because the rockets would either be fired at them or, if they attacked the rocket depots, they would be condemned by world opinion on account of the dead civilians. These people do not care about the Lebanese population; they use them as shields and, once dead, as propaganda.”

    Link Here

  54. I just typed “Civilians” in the search box and nothing came up. So I can’t explain it, but that’s what happened.

    That said, I looked at the links provided by sanity and by severian.

    The link provided by sanity is to ST’s post of July 30, which I certainly do remember reading when she first posted it, because she had that dismissive comment about civilians always dying in war, and I commented on that at the time.

    I read through the post to find ST’s evidence about Hezbollah hiding weapons among civilians. I found one link, to an Australian paper called The Sunday Daily Sun. Clicking on the link, I come to an article headlined “Photos that damn Hezbollah.” The first para starts, “This is the picture that damned Hezbollah.” Unfortunately, I cannot offer any comment on what I saw in the picture, because there WAS no picture.

    On to the next example of “evidence.”

    It’s a link provided by Severian to an article in the New York Sun about a letter published in a German news publication by a Shiite from southern Lebanon who wrote that after the Israelis left in 2000, Hezbollah came and built a school over a bunker where they had buried weapons.

    The New York Sun writer also says that he checked with the editor at the German paper about the authenticity of the letter writer’s identity, and he was told that the editor had never met the letter writer, that the writer did not want to be contacted, and that, although the editor thought the letter writer was probably telling the truth, he could not be sure.

    I marvel at the fact that these two links are what you submit to me to support your claim that I am ‘flat-out lying’ when I say that there is no evidence (perhaps I should say “no credible evidence” in the light of what you have shown me) that Hezbollah hides weapons among civilians.

    Is it possible, ST, that even you — as dug in to your position as you are — might be able to agree that these are somewhat less than convincing support for your argument?

  55. Once again, Kathy proves that you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. It must be comforting, having such a well constructed and thorough set of delusions, you never have to question anything, never have to question your fantasies, never a lick of self doubt. All you need to do is view every fact through the prism of your prejudices and delusions. Evil doesn’t exist, all the problems of the world are all due to that evil ol’Bushitler, there are no barbarians looking to kill you, liberal policies haven’t been complete failures, it’s not your fault no matter how much you contribute to the ills of the world.

    Like I said, the mind of a child, capable of rationalizing anything away, short of a knife to the throat, and by then it’s too late to have an epiphany.

    Unless it appears on DU or MoveOn or Kos, I guess Kathy the Communist won’t find it “credible.”

  56. Unfortunately, I cannot offer any comment on what I saw in the picture, because there WAS no picture.

    Heh, Kathy’s got one of those “see no evil” filters on her computer!

  57. KATHY! Like a flea on a ticks ass – one waitin’ on the other ta git’er done, both non-contributors – hippity hop mob stop…….

    “The letter in the German newspaper shines a clarifying and sobering light on a strategy that, like terrorism itself, is used precisely because it works. In an age in which many organizations and even some countries are prepared to sacrifice their own civilians in the service of killing ours — and are prepared to do so by situating their weapons, even weapons of mass destruction, in places of human habitation….”

    DO YOU DENY THIS TAKES PLACE!? Take your time. Take a couple years if you like. And then take no more!

  58. Easy people, we are beginning to sound like KOS and DU here, no pun intended, but lets bring some sanity back into the discussion.

    I followed the link and it looks like the sun herald de-linked or removed the photos from the article for some reason. Nothing was added or editted to show why they removed them.

    But there is more than one report coming out that Hezbollah is hiding and firing from civilian positions.

    Try this link from LGF HERE, they seem to have gotten pics up of what was removed from the article at the Sun.

    I do not understand why you seem hell-bent on defending Hezbollah though Kathy. They are listed as a terrorist organization, their goal is to destroy Israel and whether you want to believe it or not, they started this recent escalation because they invaded Israel, killed and kidnapped their citizens.

    I can’t remember where I read it, but someone had an excellent quote that went something like this:

    What would happen if all the terrorists, muslims, arabs, put down their guns……there would be peace in the Middle East.

    What would happen if Israel put down their guns……They would be annhilated, destroyed without a thought or care.

  59. Just for additional showing, IDF has videos of rockets being fired in residential areas, hiding the trucks the rockets are launched fom in residential areas…ect.

    See it HERE

  60. – Sev – ST – sanity – Forest…. we’re all wasting our time. If the truth doesn’t fit the Marxist rhetorical world view, they just clap their hands over their ears, or cover their eye’s, and sing lalalalalalalala. They can’t handle the truth. It’s all about regaining power, and they’ll stop at nothing. Lie’s are fine, as long as it’s for the “cause”.

    – Bang **==

  61. – In the mean time, while those of us who recognize those hard truths, that we’re dealing with the new “fascism”, are wasting time even listening to Leftist propaganda, ( they want to distract us as part of the suicide pact agenda ), the situation stands at an impasse thusly:

    – The Lebanese cabinet was supposed to meet today to discuss, among other things, the disarming of Hezbollah. The Hezzi’z said no way as soon as it was announced, and surprise, surprise, the Leb’s cancelled the cabinet meeting.

    – The murdering outlaw thugs are not going to accept any real change in the ground conditions until they’re thrown out on their ass’s, because they know that would be the dagger through the Jihad’s heart. We know, they know it, the UN knows it, everybody, including Italy and France knows it. Everyone is just stalling, trying to avoid the inevitable.

    – Bang **==

  62. Late to the game, but I believe that Kathy is Jewish if she says so. Why shouldn’t I? There are tons of self-loathing Jews in this country, with one organization recently featured on the Factor, Medved and Prager (I think). Most Jews in this country vote for whatever Dem is nominated, rather than any Republican. Can you say, “Streisand”? It’s sad, that with their recent history, any Jew would not look on these events with at least a bit of suspicion. One of Kathy’s statements, regarding her father’s teachings not to judge entire groups of people, seem silly considering how THIS group, Hezbollah, has lobbed around 4000 missles/rockets into Israel in the last month. And I’m a little hazy, but Israel never invaded Lebanon for no reason back in the 80’s. But in any case, the saddest part is that folks like her insist on seeing only what they want to see about these radical groups, like the chucklheaded Fox dude, who went to Iraq to preach his steve-like message of peace, and got a beating and a bullet for his troubles. I truly wish that the leaders I support were just as the left says they are, and we could just step away and all the troubles would end. But my weed just ain’t that good, and reality is just too insistant. Where do you get YOUR weed, Kathy?

  63. I believe that Kathy is Jewish if she says so. Why shouldn’t I? There are tons of self-loathing Jews in this country…

    I was waiting for that one, lol. I really thought Severian was going to say it; but I guess you guys are not 100% predictable.

  64. Well, stereotypes such as the self-loathing Jew seldom spring up without some basis in reality. The really disturbing thing is that Kathy purports to be a school teacher. Yup, that’s right, she is educating, or one would more likely say indoctrinating, our children. Doesn’t that give everyone a warm fuzzy feeling. 8-|

  65. “…Two road diverged in a yellow wood
    and I, I took the road less traveled by
    and that has made all the difference.”

    Kathy, indoctrinating 7th graders in the summer school session of a Bronx middle school.

    :)):)):))

  66. “Two roadS diverged in a yellow wood” (not road)

    (even English teachers engaged in indoctrinating their students into the political ideology of Robert Frost make typos!)

  67. How unoriginal. Maybe you should try following the yellow brick road in order to find your way back home, Kathy. Just click your slippers together and see what happens. Or maybe the role of the scarecrow would be more fitting.

    This thread has run its course and will now be closed.

    Signed,

    The Wicked Witch of the South

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