Flight 613 Mutiny

Posted by: ST on August 20, 2006 at 8:45 am

Passengers are conducting their own profiling where their governments won’t:

British holidaymakers staged an unprecedented mutiny – refusing to allow their flight to take off until two men they feared were terrorists were forcibly removed.

The extraordinary scenes happened after some of the 150 passengers on a Malaga-Manchester flight overheard two men of Asian appearance apparently talking Arabic.

Passengers told cabin crew they feared for their safety and demanded police action. Some stormed off the Monarch Airlines Airbus A320 minutes before it was due to leave the Costa del Sol at 3am. Others waiting for Flight ZB 613 in the departure lounge refused to board it.

The incident fuels the row over airport security following the arrest of more than 20 people allegedly planning the suicide-bombing of transatlantic jets from the UK to America. It comes amid growing demands for passenger-profiling and selective security checks.

It also raised fears that more travellers will take the law into their own hands – effectively conducting their own ‘passenger profiles’.

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The trouble in Malaga flared last Wednesday as two British citizens in their 20s waited in the departure lounge to board the pre-dawn flight and were heard talking what passengers took to be Arabic. Worries spread after a female passenger said she had heard something that alarmed her.

Passengers noticed that, despite the heat, the pair were wearing leather jackets and thick jumpers and were regularly checking their watches.

Initially, six passengers refused to board the flight. On board the aircraft, word reached one family. To the astonishment of cabin crew, they stood up and walked off, followed quickly by others.

Captain Ed, as always, is on the mark:

After 9/11, every flyer understands that they are targeted by terrorists and have to remain vigilant. This message has been reinforced over and over again by the governments themselves. Common sense dictates that people will act in their perceived self-interest in any case, and that means people will remain highly suspicious of Arabic men traveling together — and more so when they act strangely. In Malanga, the two wore heavy clothing despite the heat and kept checking their watches. That was enough to make them unwilling to risk a flight with the two men, and they applied the pressure necessary for the airline to eject the two.

Is that fair? Hardly. However, the unwillingness of the governments in both the UK and the US to provide systems of screening that instill confidence in the flying public has led to these incidents. They will continue and increase while screening systems insist on playing political correctness games instead of focusing on real threats as the Israelis have done for decades. As I wrote earlier this week, the US has an experimental program attempting to create a similar system; it should get expedited and expanded as soon as possible.

This was an interesting – yet unsurprsing – quote from the article itself:

Patrick Mercer, the Tory Homeland Security spokesman, said last night: “This is a victory for terrorists. These people on the flight have been terrorised into behaving irrationally.

“For those unfortunate two men to be victimised because of the colour of their skin is just nonsense.”

Gina Cobb sets Mr. Mercer straight.

This is the problem with me being behind on blogging – everyone else gets the good lines written before I get the chance to attempt to ;)

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  1. Jim Treacher says:

    Before we condemn these people for getting off the plane, we really need to look at the root causes.

  2. Melissa In Texas says:

    I applaud these citizen’s actions!
    They noted suspicious behavior and took measures to protect themselves and their families.
    I see absolutely nothing wrong in that.
    The rank and file people are getting fed up.
    Some of us
    (you know the ones, those without the PC blinders on) know without a doubt that the terrorists are actively plotting to strike, wherever, whenever they can. They look for weaknesses in our security and strive to take advantage of it.
    What was the old saying…
    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it just might be a duck?
    Better safe than sorry.[-x

  3. benning says:

    I certainly don’t condemn them! From the articles I’ve read, the men’s appearance – scruffy, bearded, etc. – , and thier behavior, made enough passengers nervous that many decided to get off. Over-reaction? Perhaps. But the MSM doesn’t care about lives in this, only in the PC headlines they can generate.

    Hey, if you act suspicious boarding a flight, you deserve to get pulled off it. The airlines aren’t a government-owned transportation choice. They are privately-owned companies (don’t give me any crap about publicly owned stocks, blah, blah, blah. Airlines are not government-controlled or directed monopolies.) whose responsibilities are to thier stock-holders first. One flight brought down by an explosion threatens every other airline. And it doesn’t do the dead passengers any good either!

    Feel uncomfortable? Say something! Give a reason to the flight crew. If they agree, so be it. If they don’t, then the choice is yours. Go on, or get off. The government has no say in the matter. And it shouldn’t. Start profiling! Now!**==

  4. forest hunter says:

    Until the hopes of Islamic terrorist are affected, they will happily continue to carry out their subhuman plans for the world. Their swelling desire to strike can be thwarted by isolating them, as harsh as it *seems* to far too many peeps. Period. One way and perhaps the best way of doing that is from within. The absolutely evil morons leading their charge REQUIRE redirecting by their own people! Hopes NEED to be dashed, theirs and not ours. Period. Return to the pits of sand and reconsider your insanity or face extinction.

    In order to minimize our danger on board flights, especially international, Muslim countries who support, either by inaction or active assistance and approval, should henceforth be quarantined. This is bad news for the Muslims who are admittedly NOT part of the Islamic cult of death. Though I wish it were not necessary, I would prefer that news for them, as opposed to the bad news for another 3000 or more American families. Wishes are not actions and action is required.

    Any and all Visas revoked, especially students, lot, stock and barrel. No more entry to this country from a Muslim one. Extreme yes, but so’s flying jets into buildings. Fair no, But neither’s flying jets into buildings. They can and did come into the country as guests and have screwed up the visiting rights of all members of their entire Muslim family. Before the thug huggers start screaming their well known lunacies and trying to muddy up the facts, remember why this has come to pass. Our invitation that was extended freely should now end, due to the past abuses and promised future terrorism acts.

    Try it for a year and see what differences it makes. Then try it for five more and if the idiots insist on being just that, permanently. They are no longer free to travel about our country.

    Mosques have now been adequately ID’d and correctly so, as breeding grounds for the anti-everything, especially American freedom and way of life. Shut them down. Yes they’ll still get together and plot against the citizens of free America but it creates hardship for our sworn enemies. They have not tipped the waiter for excellent service, they kicked him in the head and destroyed his family as part of their sworn strategy.

  5. Marshall Art says:

    It’s unfortunate for those truly peace loving, just living my life Muslims, but unfortunately, it doesn’t, or hasn’t anyway, served us to be PC. Perhaps if enough innocent Muslims get inconvenienced, they’ll begin to join the fight in a front line sort of way. Perhaps they’ll stand up to the scumbags among them and show they no longer have any support from the average Muslim, and in fact are now totally opposed. I won’t hold my breath, but it’s a good prayer.

  6. kathy says:

    As long as England and the U.S. continue to back Israel, there will be terrorism against those countries, as well as Israel.

    My opinion is that you (Americans and Britians) take the punches. Stop complaining. And accept this is what comes with being a partner with Israel.

  7. Severian says:

    Yeah, the only reason the Islamists are out for the blood of the west is that Britain and the US support Israel…if it just wasn’t for our evil governments supporting all those evil Joooo’s in Israel, the Islamists would be all peaceful and singing kumbaya. Right…delusions are no way to live your life no matter how pleasant they might seem.

    The Islamists have listed their “grievances” over and over, and certain ones change, depending on the meme of the day, but at the heart of it is a deep resentment and hatred for everything our Judeo/Christian democratic way of life stands for. The Islamists don’t want freedom, of religion, of speech, of sex, of anything. THey want a dictatorial, theocratic control of all aspects of life in order to force people to live a 14th century ideal of “proper” that is brutal, uncivilized, and throws out centuries of human progress. The existance of Israel and our support for it are only minor contributers to their hatred, there is enough of it to suffice regardless of our support for any particular country.

  8. sanity says:

    Kathy your full of it.

    Your reasoning is not based on any logic or on any kind of common sense.

    Just a small preview of countries terrorist have hit:

    Russia a supporter and backer of Israel?
    Germany a supporter and backer of Israel?
    Egypt a supporter and backer of Israel?
    Saudi Arabia a supporter and backer of Israel?
    France a supporter and backer of Israel?

    His Majesty, King Abdullah II: Terrorists are indiscriminate in their attacks, and no country is immune to terrorism. That is why Jordan has always encouraged a coordinated international response and ever-greater international cooperation in order to deal with terrorism. These extremists are what we call takfiris soutside the accepted norms of religion, edit. notet. They believe that they have the right to kill anyone who does not adhere to their beliefs. They are basically waging a fight against traditional Islam, which they want to hijack. Initially, they sought to create a conflict between East and West, to create a so-called clash of civilizations, so they hit Western targets.

    Their objectives are very clear to the majority of Muslims, and it is evident that a line must be drawn. People of other faiths are not the only victims of their terror. They also have murdered Muslims in Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Indonesia, and elsewhere. People of every faith have been the victims of terrorism. So, all of us are paying the price, whether we are Muslim, Christian or any faith that does not adhere to their beliefs. That is why we have worked to confront this by releasing the Amman Message which elucidates the true values and principles of Islam, which rejects indiscriminate violence and intimidation. We also hosted in Amman earlier this year the International Islamic Conference which gathered more than 180 Muslim scholars to end abuses of our faith. That is what we are doing locally.

    Link

    I have been up over 20 + hours, just got off a 12 hour midnight shift, so I will say it very bluntly and to the point…Kathy you are full of shit.

    Sorry to seem to crass and intolerant, but I have no patience for idiocy when I am this tired and Kathy’s statement REEKS of idiocy.

  9. PCD says:

    Kathy is just another Israel hating Lefty.

    Kathy, if you ruled the world, how long would you give Israel to march into the sea?

  10. Baklava says:

    Kathy wrote, “As long as England and the U.S. continue to back Israel, there will be terrorism against those countries, as well as Israel.

    It’s rare to catch a lefty in such full unbridled hatred mode…. and when you see justifications for terror like Kathy just wrote I’d say if she actually had reading comprehension abilities she’d be ashamed and would never come here again after writing that.

    Kathy is it your wish to see Israel redrawn to not exist?

    Kathy, do you recognize that certain leaders surrounding Israel have said they want to wipe Israel off the face of the map?

    If you answer these direct questions it might be helpful for moving forward with your viewpoint… Although I think everyone can guess what your answers are. They would be more attacks against the U.S. policy/administration and Israel. Because that is what Kathy is about. Attack/accuse/muddle/obfuscate until nobody has a clue what we are actually really talking about anymore.

  11. Severian says:

    Because that is what Kathy is about. Attack/accuse/muddle/obfuscate until nobody has a clue what we are actually really talking about anymore.

    Well, that’s only fair! She doesn’t have any idea what she’s talking about on her good days, it’s unfair for anyone else to know! Remember, the Left’s idea of “fair” is frozen at the kindergarden level (It’s not fair that I have to go to bed early! It’s not fair I don’t have a pony!) Mandatory equality thru dumbing everyone down and focusing on inanity.

  12. Lorica says:

    HAHA Kathy’s justification is LAUGHABLE. Let’s add to the list of of Israel loving nations that have suffered terrorists.

    Jordan??? Spain??? How many others??

    What foolishness thinking. My oh my see what comes out when our typing is faster than our thinking. – Lorica

  13. Big Bang Hunter says:

    Lorica – Lefties can think without getting their marching orders from their fearless prolitariat leaders?….when did that happen? :o

    – Bang **==

  14. tom says:

    Apparent Islamofacists create Islamaphobia. Profiling by mob rule is always a great idea. How much less confidence can we have in our airport security? Keep in mind these suspects were later cleared by security and flown back to Manchester. Is that really fair to the passengers of that flight?

  15. PCD says:

    tom, sitting in a circle singing Kumbahyah doen’t get you anything but killed.

  16. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – Apparently the Left is in such deep denial, and pursuit of “Bush bad”, they’d rather die than face the truth. “mob rule” in a progg-resives mind, is anything the majority favors. Why they continue to suffer so badly, living in a Democratic representative Republic, is beyond science. Not when they could be living in that socialistic Utopia, Fwance.

    – Bang **==

  17. Severian says:

    Apparent Islamofacists create Islamaphobia.

    Yeah. I mean, just kill several thousand innocents, blow up a few schools, markets, etc., saw the heads off a couple of dozen people, stone people for “honor” crimes, start a couple of hundred riots with casualties over cartoons, and pretty soon, the idiot Westerners are actin’ all phobic or somethin! Damn, where did that come from? Whiners! Just because we’re trying to kill you all is no reason to act all scared or somethin like that, you prejudiced wankers! 8-|

  18. PCD says:

    Bang, you make a basic mistake. Liberals do not live out their principles (if they have any), they just whine about them and demand your wallet to spend some money to make themselves feel good.

  19. Big Bang Hunter says:

    Point taken PCD. It’s come full circle that all the strained deconstructionism of the “faux-reality based community” is really a deep seated hatred of all things principled.

    – Bang **==

  20. forest hunter says:

    Kathy: I think you’re at a SEVere disadvantage, not only on this topic but, well to date, everything. Myself not being given, to using all-inclusive terms such as *everything*, there are clearly root causes for your deep-seated and disingenuous ongoing dilemma, so let’s start with the basics. Assuming you’re not a paraplegic, are you able to stand up? If your answer is yes, walk to the nearest window/door/opening in the wall and lookout. By that I mean with your eyes. Don’t worry. If you don’t live in DC, the odds of you getting shot while standing there, drop off exponentially. Further assuming you’re not blind, what exactly do you see?

    That should keep you busy and yes FYI, that was rude. But not as rude as the willful stupidity from the constant, mindless, whining, thug huggers w/o a grasp on things like …….wait for it…… Why the Islamo pukes are sworn to kill all as in ALL, who are not fellow travelers on the road to extinction.

    As is/was pointed out here and countless other sites demonstrating an ability to interpret facts and think about SOLUTIONS to solve the P.R.O.B.L.E.M.S. This process I call useful as in H.E.L.P.F.U.L.L. Give it a shot and folks with brains of their very own might consider your words to have wisdom based meaning.

    The reason I am spending the time to communicate/tap on the wall is that if you truly want the terrorism issues to fade, you must see how it is that you’re encouraging them to carry on. Until then, I propose a waste of bandwidth alert to precede your inane babbling. A BA in blogging as it were……

  21. sanity says:

    Atlas Shrugs had this posted that unfortunately seems to show exactly the mentality of how we are dealing with terrorists, but I do not think the ending will ever come to pass because even when terrorists are killing us, our families, our friends, ect there is no fortitude to do what needs to be done….

    How To Negotiate With Terrorists

    This brief blog entry takes you through a series of negotiations over time between peacemakers and terrorists:

    A peacemaker walks up to the left side of a line. A terrorist walks up to the right side of the line. The peacemaker introduces himself. The terrorist kills him.

    A peacemaker walks up to the left side of the line. A terrorist walks up to the right side of the line. The peacemaker asks, “why did you kill my friend?” The terrorist kills him and rapes his wife.

    A peacemaker walks up to the left side of the line. A terrorist walks up to the right side of the line. The peacemaker says, “Stop that!” The terrorist kills him, rapes his daughter and kills his wife.

    A peacemaker walks up to the left side of the line. A terrorist walks up to the right side of the line. The peacemaker says, “I’ll pay you $1000 if you stop attacking us.” The terrorist agrees to the deal, takes the $1000, and kills him.

    A peacemaker walks up to the left side of the line. A terrorist walks up to the right side of the line. The peacemaker appeals to the United Nations. The United Nations says the peacemaker is at fault. The terrorist kills him.

    A peacemaker walks up to the left side of the line. A terrorist walks up to the right side of the line. The peacemaker now has a gun, and threatens to use it. Other peacemakers start chanting the old 60’s whine, “Can’t we all just get along?” The peacemaker hesitates. The terrorist kills him.

    A peacemaker walks up to the left side of the line. A terrorist walks up to the right side of the line. The peacemaker tries to convince his peacemaker friends that the terrorists aren’t going to respond to negotiations, but they insist that if he kills the terrorist it’ll just make the other terrorists mad. The peacemaker reluctantly agrees to try negotiating again. The terrorist kills him., his entire family, and his neighbor’s family.

    A heated debate now ensues between the peacemakers who want to be nice to the terrorists and the peacemakers who believe that there can never be peace until the terrorists are all dead. While they are debating, the terrorists kill 15 more peacemakers.

    A peacemaker walks up to the left side of the line. A terrorist walks up to the right side of the line. The peacemaker asks himself, “Which is more important: being liked by everyone, or protecting my family?” The terrorist pulls a knife to kill the peacemaker, but the peacemaker pulls a gun and kills the terrorist first. The United Nations condemns the peacemaker’s use of unproportional force. Many of his peacemaker friends turn against him.

    A peacemaker walks up to the left side of the line. A terrorist walks up to the right side of the line. The peacemaker apologizes for what his friend did to the other terrorist. The terrorist kills him, his entire family and his neighbors, and threatens to destroy the city as soon as they develop a bigger weapon.

    A peacemaker refuses to meet at the line because every time a peacemaker goes to the line the terrorist kills him. A terrorist walks up to the right side of the line and fires rockets into the peacemaker’s town. The United Nations condemns the way the peacemaker provoked the terrorist by refusing to come to the line and meet with him.

    Generations pass and not much changes until one day when the son of a peacemaker decides that the old strategy simply won’t work. He walks up to the left side of the line a little early. As the terrorist approaches the right side of the line the peacemaker shoots him. Another terrorist approaches to replace the first, and the peacemaker shoots him too. This scene plays out several more times. Then a terrorist approaches carrying a white flag, but he also has weapons. The peacemaker shoots him. A terrorist next approaches with a ceasefire resolution from the U.N. The peacemaker shoots him also. A large group of terrorists approach and the peacemaker shoots them all and drops a nuclear bomb on the city they came from. The peacemaker continues killing the terrorists until the terrorists are all dead.

    There is finally peace on earth and the United Nations takes the credit.

    (No peacemakers or terrorists were harmed during the writing of this blog.)

  22. G Monster says:

    Kathy,

    You are suggesting that we(USA & UK) stop backing Isreal because the terrorists don’t like them. Say we did that, and the terrorists still didn’t like us, what should we do then?

    And what do you suggest for the Isreali’s? What do you suggest for the Russians that are also being terrorized? Spain, India? Should we all submit to Sharia Law, shut up, put on a Burka, and pray at a mosque 5 times a day?