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- Actually GM, she started singing for ‘08 already, which is why I’m so upbeat about things. ‘06 is over. time to move on.
- Bang
Sister Toldjah: It is your friends Baklava and Big Bang Hunter that attacked me first solely for expressing my opinion on the subject of Rumsfeld being fired. I did not start the fight but I will defend myself against what I believe is their mindless, unreasoning attacks against me. I used no coarse language, or made any threats, though I did indicate my low personal regard for these two people. You may of course ban me immediately, because I will not bow down and accept the attacks of those posting here that you seem to wholly support.
I hate dishonorable people and I believe what Bush did to Rumsfeld lacked all decency and honor. I have served in the military and out in many, highly dangerous life and death situations, where loyalty and honor were absolute requirements if people were going to survive. Among the rules adhered to by people in these professions, one of them requires that we cover the back of our comrades in arms – this Bush miserably failed to do in the Rumsfeld case. Further, based on Bush’s patterms of behavior in working with the liberal Democrats and giving in to their demands, I believe Bush is about to abandon our brave troops in Iraq, because Nancy and Harry will threaten to cut off funding and Bush has not, in my opinion, demonstrated any personal courage in fighting the Democrats. So, I will not as you demanded – “calm down,” when I believe those brave men and women who gave their lives in a noble cause will have died for nothing, and those warriors left alive will suffer the same shame that millions suffered after Vietnam.
So now the ball is in your court and I expect this post will probably be blocked and I am sure that all future posts will be banned. Why? Because I chose to defend a man of honor and will not drink Bush kool aid and say he is a good man when I believe he did something so treacherous.
As to those asserting Rumsfeld is probably better off, I agree. I hope we can now let him rest in peace in ignominy (a total loss of dignity and self-respect or an incurring of public disgrace.) What a shame!
Oh, to Big Bang Hunter – Unless you served in the Marine Corps, I think your use of our motto is wholly inappropriate!
I.M. wrote, “one of them requires that we cover the back of our comrades in arms – this Bush miserably failed to do in the Rumsfeld case.”
You have a laudibly high standard for Bush but Rumsfeld wasn’t in arms. The people on the ground are and they need Bush to do anything he can to have the mission complete. Bush replaced Rummy without badmouthing, backstabbing or accusing him of impropriety.
I.M. wrote, “I believe Bush is about to abandon our brave troops in Iraq”
I don’t but I could be wrong but he hasn’t shown that to be something he would do. He sticks to his convictions to the point of people calling him “stubborn” even on the immigration issue which is an 80/20 polling issue.
I.M. diverted the discussion again with, “So now the ball is in your court and I expect this post will probably be blocked ”
You were wrong!!!
I.M. asked, “Why?” It’d be because of the comment policy being ignored blatantly if it did happen.
I.M. without knowledge of Bang or Baklava’s military service wrote, “Oh, to Big Bang Hunter – Unless you served in the Marine Corps, I think your use of our motto is wholly inappropriate!”
What is inappropriate is the assertion that you are allowed to speak whatever allegations and that we can’t question you based on your “service” and lack of knowledge of ours. The WHOLE discussion is inappropriate. EVERYONE in this country is allowed to speak. It is that kind of talk that will NOT persuade and I hope to convince you of that because it is better that you are on our side convincing then on our side turning people away from us.
Our behavior mattes. Our words matter. That is why I spoke about words meaning things above.
I.M., if you were banned here, it would be because I have grown tired of your drama king posts. If there’s anything worse than a snotty liberal, it’s a holier than thou conservative who thinks that disagreement with another conservative is tantamount to a declaration of war.
You don’t seem to really like ANYONE here, so I can’t figure out why you still come here? Maybe it would be a good idea for you to find a place more suitable to your liking, where everyone agrees with you and bows down to your way of thinking.
I found this interesting post on “The Political Pit Bull,” which proves many in the GOP share my feelings: “The New York Times is reporting today that “painful off-again-on-again discussions” about dumping Rumsfeld had been going on at the White House since late summer, but the President resisted removing Rumsfeld for various reasons (including the lack of a replacement) until recently. Meanwhile, The Hill notes that the resignation announcement the morning after Democrats took back control of Congress apparently has some Capitol Hill GOPers furious.”
Baklava
A. I did not ever say because I served no one could question my opinions, that is a lie! I simply said because of that service, I have at least the same rights as those who did not serve to express my opinion.
B. You and I will never be on the same side! I am a conservative and an American that believes in our Constitution as originally crafted, and in our men and women under arms. From what you have posted, it ‘appears’ to me, that is, my personal opinion is: you are a Chafee Republican at best.
c. Rumsfeld was the Secretary of Defense, in charge of the entire military establishment, and like any commander, especially during a time of war, whether in uniform or not carrying a weapon he is still part of that military, as the President being Commander-In-Chief is part of that military.
Words no longer have any value in this world, they have no certain meaning; but our actions, what we do even when no one sees us testifies volumes about what kind of person we are, and no linguistic gymnastics by you or others will change that simple fact. If you say you are a Conservative and yet are not angry about Bush’s immigration policies, your actions speak louder than your words on that issue. I only used that as an example, I have no idea what you think about his immigration policies.
Lastly, you are assuming Sister Toldjah has even looked at my post yet, and we’ll see as the day progresses what the truth really is! I’ll bet you are hoping she will ban me, huh?
If it was important for Rumsfeld to go and he, not Georgi-girl Bush, went public with his desire to get out of the fight between Pelosi and Georgi and he resigned, then I’d have no problem with it; but the truth is Georgi Bush FIRED a loyal and valiant soldier and an honorable man for cheap political gain and to make nice with Pelosi.
How do you know that Rumsfeld didn’t jump on this grenade, why do you assume that he was pushed? Politics is not entirely like combat, though there are similarities. No one is dying on the Hill or at the WH because of this. Rumsfeld has long publically stated that he serves at the pleasure of the President, and that he’d go whenever Bush decided it was time for him to go. I personally think Rumsfeld was an excellent SecDef, and that the problems are not due to him, but if sacrificing Rumsfeld allows Bush to continue to get the Dems to fund the war or support it in any way, than it was a good decision. Sticking to one person in politics, if it was likely to result in problems that affected the military troops in the field and/or war policy, would not be a smart decision. It’s worth him leaving even if there is only a possibility it’ll help. Personally, I agree that it sucks, but politics is a dirty business, and as Machievellian as it gets, and if Rummy throwing himself on a political grenade offers the chance to ward off further negative impact to the war effort, so be it.
You seem like an angry, intolerant, and somewhat narrow minded person in your rants here IM. I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but not if you keep this up and particularly not if you keep playing the abused and angry victim role. I think you have a lot to offer from your experience if you’ll calm down and not view everything as an attack. Obey the posting rules, calm down, and I think you’ll find this a pleasant place to discuss things.
Ah! I was proven correct, because I am willing to defend my beliefs and because I am passionate about my beliefs, Sister Toldjah has just asked me to leave.
That’s okay! By the way, I don’t even know what drama king means!
I am not ashamed of my beliefs and while my current anger at Bush will subside, I am not ashamed of being passionate about what I believe. I never used coarse language and while I passionately defended what I had to say, I did so with honesty.
“Lastly, you are assuming Sister Toldjah has even looked at my post yet, and we’ll see as the day progresses what the truth really is!”
- Hows that “progressing” going I.M.?
- Personally I think you’re being as antagonistic as possible, to goad ST into banning you. Kind of interesting that on the one hand you absolutely explode when anyone disagree’s with your over the top comments, but you don’t hesitate to tell me, a perfect stranger, when and where, and whether, I have a right to use the Corps pledge. Apparently, in your private hell of whatever personal issues you have, you’ve forgotten the very meaning of the words “ever faithful”. Especially to your fellow citizens, and your very own brothers in arms. For myself, this is the last time I waste words on you.
- Bang
As to those asserting Rumsfeld is probably better off, I agree. I hope we can now let him rest in peace in ignominy (a total loss of dignity and self-respect or an incurring of public disgrace.) What a shame!
What disgrace I.M.?? Rummy has, as my friend Severian just reminded me, ALWAYS said he served at the pleasure of the President. I think you dishonor the service of Sec. Rumsfield. I think it is wholly un-appropriate for you, as a Marine, to call the Commander in Chief, some of the names that you have called him over the last couple of days. I think YOU need to stop opperating out of fear, and reacting to what you feel, and start trying to be more proactive.
I don’t believe that President Bush will abandon our troops out in the field. If anyone does it will be the Democrats, and then it will be their fault not the Presidents. I don’t think the Dems can handle the extreme bad press they would get if they did abandon out troops. I do believe that if the Dems did do these things that the Reps would be right there to capitalize on this stupid, stupid mistake. Howls of reliving Vietnam would be be so loud that it would shatter the Dems for a generation.
Now let’s start to give Thanks for what we do have. I believe Gates is going to be very good for the troops in the field too. Let’s hope he can bring more intel from the field and get these terrorists and bring our troops home with the Hero’s welcome they so richly deserve. Now let’s deal with the anger, and the fear, and be pro-active in this new congress. If we don’t, a loss in 2008 is almost guaranteed, and then you will have a new understanding of what misery is, as the first woman Commander in Chief will be Hillary Rodham Clinton, and we all know how she despises our troops. – Lorica
You make a good point that’s worth repeatng Lorica, if the Dems decide not to abandon the troops, it will not be because they care anything about the troops. It will be because they fear the negative reaction they will get from it. And that is very telling.
As for IM, well, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but no more. You are too enamored of playing the abused martyr. You aren’t taking advantage of the opportunity to moderate youself and stick to the point, you are in an apparently perpetual rage against everything, and would rather act in a way to force ST to ban you so you can sit back and smugly tell youself it’s everyone else who’s against you not that you have problems of your own. Go sell crazy somewhere else, we get all we need here from the wandering moonbats that come thru.
I.M. lied.
ST didn’t ask you to leave. Words mean things… They can’t be changed to mean something else.
I.M. wrote, “I am not ashamed of my beliefs”
Nobody said you should be ashamed. We just asked you questions and said we don’t believe you are correct on some specific things.
I.M. wrote, “I am not ashamed of being passionate”
Being passionate is also irrelevant. We questioned your assertions we didn’t say you aren’t allowed to be passionate.
I.M. wrote, “I never used coarse language”
No… but you broke the comment policy by directly attacking others intelligence and calling them names whether they were coarse names or not. But this is also irrelevant. HOW COME I.M. you can’t answer questions? This is a legitimate question. I asked questions to figure out why you stated the things you stated. Many questions. None were answered. I address what you write and you seem to divert and attack. You can change. For the good of this country your debate style should change. We need people on our side to be persuasive not attackers.
Lorica wrote, “I don’t believe that President Bush will abandon our troops out in the field. If anyone does it will be the Democrats, and then it will be their fault not the Presidents.”
Amen Lorica. Logic wise that is sound. If the Dems cut off funding that IS the Dems fault. And America put them in power so you might say indirectly it was America’s fault but I am NOT one to say that. I think we as conservatives need to be more persuasive and not turn off voters.
About Rumsfeld being dishonored, I liked this post by Ric on “The Political Pit Bull:
Replying to my post, “Unfortunately, I think you are right. Rumsfeld, undeservedly, will be held accountable for “all” that has gone wrong in the Iraq campaign. Any of the positive aspects will be masked by negativism, which is an out-and-out distortion of the facts. For some insane reason, history, especially text books, are written and controlled by the leftists of the ink trade. Vilification of Rumsfeld is already in the books, those not even near the presses at this moment in time. George Bush will not fair well, to boot; the distorted view youngsters get, in all levels of education is criminal, is near criminal. That, nevertheless, is how the left maintains its base, by the proliferation of the BIG-LIE.”
That is what I mean about Rumsfeld, by firing him, historians will use that fact to vilify him and he, more than Bush, will be the insane architect of the Iraq war and our defeat there; and even if, as you assert the Democrats will actually be responsible for our troops leaving in defeat, history will blame Rumsfeld and to a lessor degree Bush. That is a sad fact of life!
Would they still blame Rumsfeld if he had not been fired? Yes! But, more weight was added to their arguement, as they will assert that he was fired for gross incompetence. Considering his honorable service to this country over many decades, his modernization of the military and his leading American into two very swift victories in Afghanistan and Iraq, despite the long, torturous battles in Iraq since then, it is a shame he will be treated like an enemy of the United States, IN MY OPINION!
I.M. misinformed, “That is what I mean about Rumsfeld, by firing him, historians will use that fact ”
He wasn’t fired.
Revisionists will always try to say whatever they want.
And your opinion is in error I.M. I cannot and will not say it any simplier.
will be the insane architect of the Iraq war and our defeat there;
When did we lose??
But, more weight was added to their arguement, as they will assert that he was fired for gross incompetence.
And what will they credit him when we win??
You see I.M., your basic premise is just not right. You assume we are losing the war. I say we are winning the war. I know that once the new Congress is sworn in, you will see all sorts of news articles about how good things are in Iraq. My friend just spent 2 years in Baghdad, and she loved it. Yes there were some dangers, but nothing like you hear on the MSM. They purposely made things look worse than they were just for this eventuality. She is spending a month here and then going back to the Middle East. She could go anywhere, has a house and grown children here, but she chose where she wanted to go. I will miss her. She has been a good friend to me, and although I worry for her safety, I know she is happy, over there doing what she can for the WOT.
Why now play into the hands of the left with continued anger and wrong thinking?? It is time to overcome our personal reactions, and be a proactive force in this government. Like it or not. I plan on getting in touch with all 3 of my new congressmen. They need to re-think somethings, and I want to make sure they are informed on just what I think of those things.
I think it is going to be alot of fun. – Lorica
Now I don’t want anyone reading this to not have a positive affirmation of their incredible self worth or feel in any way negated by anything written herein or in any of my previous posts; However, Limbaugh reported today (I have no details) that Rumsfeld and others will be tried by a German Tribunal, much like the Nuremberg trials, for their roles in the torture of prisoners at Abu Graib, Guantanamo Bay Military barracks and other locations around the world.
That being said and considering that I am a condemned mental case with horrible, violent anger management problems; I believe that the Democrats will use the actions by Germany as partial excuse for Impeaching Bush next year; and they will demand an investigation and trial into Rumsfeld and others, and despite the evidence they all will be brought to trial in federal courts for torture, violations of civil liberties and war crimes. That is only my ignorant opinion and I trust others posting here will point out the folly of my thinking.
Just in the off chance, albeit exceptionally rare that, I may be at least partially right, doesn’t that mean Rumsfeld as I foolishly and ignorantly mentioned above will be dishonored, his reputation destroyed and his entire public service career negated by more than half of the voting citizens and illegal voting citizens of the United States? Lastly, didn’t Bush firing Rumsfeld exacerbate his problems before the world court? No, as usual, I am probably quite wrong!
Here is another thing that just occurred to me. This thought we need to believe firmly crosses ideological lines. This vote, these elections, are not about getting rid of the Repubs, as much as they are about holding people accountable for their stupidity. Blame who you want or what you want, but we all know the MSM is losing Viewership and Readership. Kattie Curric can’t hardly pull her numbers out of the basement to save her life. Even asked Rush Limbaugh to give her a hand, then she turned around and bit him. NYT has lost almost a million readers, if I remember correctly. That is alot of money. Has Rush lost listeners??? Where is Air America?? In the tank. The American people are better informed that we give them credit. Yeah some are deceived, but on the most part they are better than we think. Back to my main point. If this is about the American Voter holding the Elected accountable, then the Dems better do the right thing or they will be bounced out too. Let’s face it the Reps were done in by the independant vote and by acting like Big Government Libs. And where did it get them?? The people were angry about alot of things, yes there were concerns about the war, and our enemy played on those fears. But there were larger concerns about the Deficit and the stupidity of how the Government was being run as evidenced by what happened with Katrina, and a handful of other situations. – Lorica
P.S. I do not believe that Katrina was the fault of the Federal Government. I do believe the main failure lies in the local Government with the foolish decision not to evacuate New Orleans 2 days before Katrina hit the shores.
That first paragraph I.M. you know and I know is a bunch of false allegations against Rummy.
The second paragraph may or may not be true. It is as it is. The Dems will act as they will act. You didn’t have to end your second paragraph with “That is only my ignorant opinion” as I nobody here is surprised by Democrat actions anymore.
Your third paragraph about Rummy being dishonored is nothing anybody could’ve done anything about because yes, Germany and Democrats will do as they will do. Replacing Rummy doesn’t dishonor Rummy. But the left will try their hardest to for the next 50 years.
Clarity is key. Humanity’s struggle is against confusion. While you are rightly upset about Germany and the Democrats foolish actions, turn that into persuasive arguments to liberals about how foolish THEIR (Democrat leaders and Germany’s) actions are.
On your last statement, Bush firing Rumsfeld did not exacerabate Rumsfeld’s problems to the world court because their allegations have been long standing and would’ve continued. The mission in Iraq still stands, G’tmo stands, Terrorist surveillance stands and SWIFT stands. The allegations are against a so-called executive branch abuse of power that continues. It has less to do with Rummy and more to do with FALSE allegations against this administration and EVERYBODY in this administration. They have tar and feathered Gonzales, Rice, Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney, etc because the left elitists and German elitists do not understand this GWOT and do not understand that the administration is acting within it’s authority during a war.
I.M. Let’s cross that bridge when we get to it. Again you cannot operate out of fear with these assumptions. Who is going to try Rummy?? If it just some group of asinine leftists, then who really cares. Wasn’t it Conyers who had mock impeachment trials and it made him look like and ass??
Again you say Bush fired Rummy, do you know this for a fact or did Rummy ask to be relieved. Rummy said himself that he had tendered his resignation twice and GW turned him down. If they had come to mutual agreement, then is it Bush Fires Rummy or is it Rummy decides to resign?? The Dems are pretty clueless the only problem was they weren’t in charge. And that is how we got here. Reps were in charge and Dems took advantage of our failures with the voters. Seems to be a pretty good strategery to me. But turn-about is fair play. – Lorica
Now I don’t want anyone reading this to not have a positive affirmation of their incredible self worth or feel in any way negated by anything written herein or in any of my previous posts; However, I have lived from Truman’s first Administration, and while I do not have even a fraction of the intellect, wisdom and mental acuity of virtually everyone else posting here, my experiences and observations over several decades of life aid me in projecting what is likely, not with ‘absolute’ certainty, will probably happen soon.
The Democrats will threaten to cut off all money for the war in Iraq unless Bush gives into their demands for a strategic withdrawal from Iraq (Cut-and-Run); that is exactly what they did to me and my fellow war criminals in Vietnam. Yes, I know Nixon was President, but it was the Democrat controlled Congress that forced his hand and a Democrat controlled Congress will force Bush’ hand; and there is no longer any support within this country to help him resist them, so he will agree to withdraw. Oh, he and the Democrats will employ pleasant sounding euphemisms, but it will be cut-and-run by another name, we will have lost the war, and even though I am a mental defective with violent, anger management problems, in my opinion our dead soldiers will have died in vain, as my friends did in Vietnam.
Yes, you will all scream – you are wrong, you are an angry old fool and we don’t give a damn what you say, that won’t happen. Okay, I hope you are right, but history, recent history is on my side.
As to Rumsfeld, yes this may all have happened anyway; but as I have asserted from the beginning his getting fired certainly won’t help his case. How do I know he was fired? a. That was and remains the consensus of both the liberal and conservative media. b. A resignation is written and accepted, it doesn’t require meetings and discussions, except for timing. Meetings indicates to me that, while the words ‘you are fired’ were not used, to call Rumsfeld in to discuss the subject indicates pressure to resign, which equals ‘you will quit so I don’t have to fire you,’ that is they way corporate types like Bush and Cheney fire people.
But, I am an ignorant old fool and that is the best senile thinking can achieve!
I.M. wrote, “Yes, you will all scream – you are wrong, you are an angry old fool and we don’t give a damn what you say, ”
No. What you said in the first two paragraphs is pretty sound speculation. I can only hope that the Democrats do not do what they keep talking about. If they do, I can only hope that the American people scream that that isn’t what they elected them to do.
I.M. wrote, “his getting fired certainly won’t help his case.”
Maybe it will. It’ll give him more time to put forth facts. While working he had to focus on his job.
As for your last paragraph. It’s funny to see you write that way. Nobody called you ignorant, senile or old or a fool. Just making sure the record is straight…..
I tried to post this before and perhaps I have been blocked, but it is possible to make a message crystal clear while using even praise worthy words. Bush would not have said to Rumsfeld, “You are fired,” but he could still get that message across clearly without using those exact words.
Thus, while I would not expect you or others to use those exact words, the message got through quite clearly.
- and I.M. – If you simply insist on calling yourself those things the rest of us absolutely refuse to argue or disaggree with you…. a show of conciliation on all our parts…
- Bang
Amen Bak. We shall see what the future holds, but I hold to my original assessment. If the Dems call for alot of hearings to discuss the errors of the past, they will clearly show their true agenda all along, and that the whole “America Needs A New Direction” was a sham, and they can kiss 2008 away, which really is the true prize in their minds. – Lorica
- I doubt they’ll be that stupid Lorica. With Emanuel throwing the roses on the hard lefts coffin on National TV yesterday “vowing to move away from “extreme voices that serve to devide, rather than unite”, unless something drastic changes in the next few months, it’s looking like the Dems have learned their lessons, and do not intend to repeat the “Kerry’s” of the recent past. But we can hope.
- The Left is already busy disavowing anything that happens in Iraq, saying they can’t be blamed for the mess. I told them if they think that will fly with the electorate, if the whole thing turns into a bloodbath, and the Wahhabists end up in charge there again, to let me know if they’re interested in some South Africa Gold mine stocks.
- Another SecProgg twit said I should think about it as the Dems being the relief pitcher, coming in, in the late inning’s, trying to save an almost hopeless cause. If he can’t no one can blame him.
- I responded by telling him his analogy was fine as far as it went. What he left out is that if the bench warmers get their shot, and fail, they are seldom around on next years roster.
- Bang
MY Posting policy: “I don’t want anyone reading this to not have a positive affirmation of their incredible self worth, their superior intellect or wisdom or feel in any way negated by anything written herein or in any of my previous posts. I am just a senile old fool expressing my stupid opinions, which are of no worth.”
BBH: I only stated what you three or four obviously believe, but apparently even my stating your own hate filled beliefs about me offends you, that makes it very hard to discuss anything because you are so thinned skinned and apparently above any criticism. The policy of this blog apparently, is no one is allowed to say anything that offends you 3-4 people, so please go to Sister Soldjah and maybe she can comfort you. Otherwise, to try and satisfy your egos I have instituted the policy on top of this post.
You may go back to my post of 1:58 PM; 4:12 PM; 5:04 PM; and 6:02 PM and I dare you to find anything that was written to offend the Four Amigas/Amigos!
Those same benchwarmers also get tagged with the loss, and not a save. So it is just as important for the relief pitcher to get the save . The logic of the left is so two dimensional. If the deathtoll of our troops in Iraq doubles due to the effects of this new Congress, there will be a cause to their effect. They can’t hide behind “it was a mess already”. They will be held accountable. – Lorica
IM, try looking in a mirror when you say the following:
very hard to discuss anything because you are so thinned skinned and apparently above any criticism
You have a problem, one that I’ve seen all too often, you are guilty of what you claim for others, much much more so. Which is a pity as some of your arguments are spot on and prettly succinctly and eloquently stated. But the value of your arguments is hard to find when they are surrounded by your self-pity party you seem intent on having for yourself. Sarcasm can be a useful tool, but not when mixed with the aggrieved, woe is me, y’all are all bastages for picking on me, etc. I could go on, but it’d be pointless.
If you learn to interact with others without needing to constantly play the aggrieved party, you will be a good addition to any discussion I think, but unless you do, your message will be drowned out by your personality problems.
I.M no one here believes that. We believe you are passionate and angry. That combination can be dangerous. But it is a double edged sword. It cuts both ways. Our only real concern is what seems like total defeat. This is a bump in the road, and if used correctly could be very healthy for America. Let us not pour down a huge load of future possiblities that play directly to the opposition ideologues. We must remain strong. If this possiblity becomes eventual then come back here and hollar and scream to your hearts content, You will have willing allies. But for now, this is all about overcoming, and becoming stronger. I welcome the chance to become better than what we were. We had become lazy and feckless after the 2004 elections. Something about political capital being spent. Well there ain’t no more political capital. Now we have to overcome by the presentations of our ideas. It will be hard work, and we will need people like you with us. – Lorica
I am out of here. The boys will be waiting on me at the cigar room, and I still don’t have my socks on. Mmmmmm I can smell the Gurkha Centurian buring now.
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- I.M. – You’re exactly the same as everyone else on this blog – a guest poster – no more, no less. you don’t get to set policy, even covertly, unless that simply means you’ve decided to debate civily, which would have saved you a lot of apparent misery, mostly self imposed, in the first place, since not one of the things you’ve accused others of saying or doing against you has happened yet. You’re simply bad mouthing a lot of very nice people through lack of your own self control, and paranoia. Enough. Just enough. ST’s blog is not your own personal therupy coach.
- Bang
“I don’t want anyone reading this to not have a positive affirmation of their incredible self worth, their superior intellect or wisdom over my own or feel in any way negated by anything written herein or in any of my previous posts. I am just a senile old fool expressing my stupid opinions, which are of no value to anyone but myself.”
BBH: I said I set my own policy for how I post here, I DID NOT say I was setting policy for this blog, you manufactured that interpretation out of pure, unreasoning hatred.
Once again I challenge, I dare you to go back to my posts of 1:58 PM; 4:12 PM; 5:04 PM; 6:02 PM and 6:45 PM and find anything therein that was written to even hint at or intimate anything to offend the Four Amigas/Amigos! I understand you four are above all criticism if anyone wants to post on this blog, I thorouhgly understand that you four are not to be spoken to except in homage and understanding that everyone is of less value and worth then yourselves. So, I start each post stating my clear understanding of those policies of this blog to avoid offending you five!
Lastly, I have suffered absolutely no misery, I am a man, which is something alien to most people today; and I can take any and all personal attacks by word, deed or weapon, and while prevented at this blog from defending myself verbally, I am able to properly defend myself without any stress whatsoever.
I have paid you four, possibly five now with Severian added; all demanded and due homage, I have humbled myself as an inferior being to you five so that I can comment and hopefully converse with less sensitive people about topics that interest me, as I did in the first story with two people, absent the rancor and acrimony my presence creates among the five amigas/agmigos.
Now what more must I do, other than accept your opinions wholly and without reservation, which I will not do; to get you five to leave me alone, to allow me to post here, to allow me to interact with others on this blog, and somehow not offend your sensitive natures?
MEA CULPA! MEA CULPA! MEA CULPA! I repent for ever offending you five superior beings!
Why do you continue that way I.M?
Your insults haven’t caused me to act out with anger…
I’ve stuck to your words, asked questions about your words, pointed out things regarding your words, and pointed out where I agree and disagree with your words….
Almost every post from you has either a tongue lashing or a pity party in it and nobody here including myself knows why that goes on. We have stuck to what you wrote.
Is there a way for you to move on without attacks on others or yourself? Not because we are thin skinned. It’s the exact opposite. All of us here are a asset to ST’s blog as we all have quite a history and knowldegebase. The insults don’t bother us. But we’ll point out to you that we wish for you if you are going to speak for conservatives that we hope you can change towards being persuasive as opposed to someone who hurts our cause. We WANT America to win and we NEED as many persuasive people on our side as possible. Your history and knowledge could be an asset if you sharpen your persuading skills…
My WHOLE goal with you is to see if I can persuade you and with you I hope to persuade you to be persuasive and not have the behavior issues that you have.
If you do not want to change and wish to ignore advice that’s ok. I’ll continue to try to persuade you to be persuasive and not a harm to our cause.
BTW, Please don’t be offended with this post.
or how do you put it… I don’t want you to not have a positive affirmation of your incredible self worth, your superior intellect or wisdom over my own or feel in any way negated by anything written herein or in any previous posts. I’m just a cockroach girly man expressing my idiotic opinion, which is of no value to anyone but myself.
But in all seriousness… Do you see my point I.M.? We need people to be converted/persuaded not turned away from us. Discussion in the midst of disagreement needs to be our sharpest skillset.
“I don’t want anyone reading this to not have a positive affirmation of their incredible self worth, their superior intellect or wisdom over my own or feel in any way negated by anything written herein or in any of my previous posts. I am just a senile old fool expressing my stupid opinions, which are of no value to anyone but myself.”
I can only ask, one last time: Now what more must I do, other than accept your opinions wholly and without reservation, which I will not do; to get you five to leave me alone, to allow me to post here, to allow me to interact with others on this blog, and somehow not offend your incredibly sensitive natures?
MEA CULPA! MEA CULPA! MEA CULPA! I repent for ever offending you five superior beings! If it will help, I will crawl across America on my athritic, bloody knees in sackcloth and ashes, stopping every mile to repent loudly and begging God’s forgiveness for offending the five Amigas/Amigos!
If it means being forced to accept your opinions and deny my own beliefs or write everything in a way pleasing to you all, then you are SOL! Otherwise, please refer to paragraph Three!
I.M. wrote, “I can only ask, one last time: Now what more must I do, other than accept your opinions wholly and without reservation, which I will not do;”
You don’t have to accept my opinions. There is plenty of room for disagreement. But when we ask questions and state our disagreement, be respectful. Don’t lash out with names and directly questioning our intellect and stating irrelevant things about how you served. Not because we can’t take it but because it’s not persuasive.
When we question you just answer the questions or continue disagreeing. Stay on topic, on subject. Diversions add for confusion not persuasion.
I.M. wrote, “to get you five to leave me alone, to allow me to post here,
You can post here. Nobody is saying that you can’t. You have been addressing us and we’ve been addressing you.
I’m not offended though you keep writing about me being offended. I hope to see you as more persuasive in the future. Don’t you want to be?
Your last paragraph is something none of us have said. Questioning what you wrote or disagreeing is something we should be allowed to do also. Right?