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Audacity of Truth
Whiner-in-Chief:
"[W]hether the grumbling is about Republicans on Fox or bloggers in pajamas, there's a word for what the president and his aides are doing. That word is "whining." And nothing [...] does more damage to Obama's credibility or authority than the sense that a popular president is becoming the whiner-in-chief."
- John Nichols, Nation Magazine - 10/12/09
House “Planet Warming” hearing cancelled – due to snowstorm
If I’m not mistaken, this has also happened to Al Gore in the last couple of years. He gave a gw speech in the middle of a really bad snow storm. Delish 
Update: This was also posted at Drudge:
SAVE IT FOR A SUNNY DAY: Maryville Univ. in St. Louis area cancelling screening of Al Gore’s ‘Inconvenient Truth’ because of a snowstorm…
Heh.
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And CO2 is not 2nd, methane is.
1998 Concentrations by Volume:
Carbon Dioxide 365 ppm
Methane 1,745 ppb
Plus, CO2 has three times the radiative forcing of methane. What makes methane more “important” than CO2?
Also, do you actually believe that development of new and cleaner technologies makes us less agile in coping with future climate change issues? Wow!
Anyway, …whatever, dude. I just love it when people go all squishy nonlinear “chaos theory” on GW models, then turn around and expect people to take as gospel some notion that any paradigm shift towards a more responsible environmental policy is some sort of economic suicide.
Didn’t the Movie “A Civil Action”, which came out in 1998, start with a letter to a lawyer?? Hmmmm seems awfully familiar.
But what I just found out about the whole Love Canal incident is that the company that created the problem Hooker Chem, is a subsidary of….. Occidental Oil, and who owns that kids?? Yes the Gore family including the crowned prince Alfie.
Which if I remember correctly Al’s Dad originally bought the company. Yep, yep, yep!!! OMG Al’s dad even represented these guys in their coal interests. Hells Bells, he is half way responsible for our present global climate problems.
So why hasn’t Sir Al given up his shares to say Green Peace who could then force Occidental Oil to produce oil and coal in a more enviromentally sound way?? Seems to me Al is being abit two faced about this whole issue. After all isn’t he presently living off of the profits of Global Warming?? How can you trust a guy like that??
Just my little way of throwing a monkey wrench into this whole conversation. As far as Al Gore goes, guilt is a great motivator, and it seems to me that he is reacting to that motivator. Now I gotta get back to stack my tobacco, Al is coming for a speech tomorrow, about how he is gonna help us poor tobacco farmers. – Lorica
This story about Gore and Occidental Petroleum seems to have originated in an article by Peter Schweizer in USA Today. A member of Gore’s team responded to the charges in the following statement:
There was also a correction to the original article published later in USA Today:
Once again, these are ad hominem attacks against Gore, made by people who are hypocrites themselves, who would do anything to try to avoid the merits of Gore’s position on global warming.
You skeptics never answered my original question…Have you seen the movie?
Bob wrote, “Once again, these are ad hominem attacks against
GoreBush, made by people who are hypocrites themselves, who would do anything to try to avoid the merits of Gore’s position on global warming.”Gosh Bob – I hope to see the long awaited change in your false accusations against Bush then….
What was Michael Jackson’s song about – looking in the mirror and making that change?? Because the only person you can control is your own self. No more consuming for you but food product so you can be just like 3rd worlders. No car use, computer use, home heating or cooling or even using a home, give it up and maybe we’ll follow your example !!!
ooops. I meant to strike out the 2nd Gore and insert Bush also.
Hypocrates indeed !
Sold your car yet?? Were you a consumer in any fashion this last month? Year? Are you using the computer right now??
Ohhh for God’s Sake Bob. They made Millions of dollars of profit off of occidental oil. Hell they were reponsible for Love Canal it wasn’t as happenstance as Al would like you to think, which you swallowed hook, line and sinker. You are just to decieved to realize you are being taken by the very people who screwed you to begin with. Wake up Bob. Damn, I am certain that people defended Stalin all the way to the grave too, but they were wrong. This is the very problem I have with the majority of arguments on this thread, they defend every “theory” that comes down the pike. IT IS “VERY LIKELY” THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS BEING CAUSED BY HUMANS!!! Just how the hell do you measure VERY LIKELY??? Can we use the metric system?? In the world of “Science” what does VERY LIKELY mean?? It means we have run out of ideas, and we don’t really care to look any further.
I have asked this before on these asinine threads and I am going to ask you again. DO WE take up China’s 1 child policy to stop Global Warming?? What exactly are you going to do to stop the human race from living on planet Earth?? Let me know when you figure that one out. – Lorica
Lorica, That is the point that is lost. While some political commentators may not be up on the sale of the company’s stake the fact remains that for decades Gore Sr. and Gore himself benefited from oil commerce.
To truly be clean his family should give up the amount of money earned from the business right? For as many times as we hear attacks on the Bush family and his Texan oil friends the drive-by legacy media FAILS to represent Gore’s wealth in the same way. And let’s not get into Edward’s wealth or Kerry’s wealth (Kerry’s was significantly more than Bush’s – evil white rich man class warfare rhetoric is the left’s specialty to drive policy decisions based on emotions – yet leftist solutions hurt more people especially the poor.
All of this is off track but goes to show you how much trouble people can get into when they don’t debate the policy or solution or the ideas for moving forward but get into attacking personalities – as if leftists ‘care’ more than conservatives on any issue. They delude themselves into thinking they do and may care more than a sliver of conservatives but as any large group of people you have many who care who are conservatives and many who care who are leftists.
Where it boils down to is the conservative ideas for moving forward are BETTER and bring the entire nation including the poor UP not down.
Absolutely Bak. Al Sr. was a vice president and was on the board for Occidental Oil. They must of made millions from the evil stock options when they sold that stock. In the last year Oxy was selling for 47.00 to 48.00 per share. If Al Sr. just bought a thousand shares in the 1970s after he left Congress, I bet that was worth a pretty penny 35 years later. But Al who helped make Oxy the 7th largest oil corporation in America with the sale of the Naval oil yards, his hands are as pure as the driven snow. Pun Intended.
I have asked this several dozen times and have yet to get an answer from ANY of the lefties who post here. How can you take these people seriously?? Gore, makes a fortune in the oil business, Branson is worth billions and what helps him keep his fortune?? Virgin Airlines. If there is man made global warming, jet flight is the thing most responsible for it. – Lorica
So apparently as the cherished litany of old phony charges against Gore are debunked, they’re immediately replaced by more and more outlandish new ones. Even though the family sold the oil company shares when Al Gore’s father died, now Gore is supposed to liquidate his assets as an act of atonement to people who would never ask such moral purity from themselves or the politicians they support. It seems to me that Gore has made a good faith effort to bring his practices into line with his beliefs. He’s donated the profits from his movie to anti-pollution causes. What more is he supposed to do? What Republican politicians do you demand such moral purity from? For example, is it moral to fabricate false charges against a person because you disagree with their politics? Is it moral to knowingly propagate those false charges as a way of gaining political advantage? Is it moral to hold your political enemies to standards that you or the politicians you support could never live up to? Conservative politics in this country has become addicted to hypocrisy. You guys have nothing on Al Gore. Why don’t you reconsider the honesty of what you’re doing?
“No more consuming for you but food product so you can be just like 3rd worlders. No car use, computer use, home heating or cooling or even using a home, give it up and maybe we’ll follow your example !!!”
OR, you could purchase carbon credits at a very reasonable price to offset your carbon footprint.
I do find it funny to see right-wingers blaming an environmental disaster on al gore because of his father’s stock holdings…I thought that sort of criticism was the territory of left wing nuts. I guess when it comes to hating someone (hillary, gore, gays….y’know, all the people jesus hates) they’re willing to change their rhetoric.
Since we are bringing up the business dealings of politicians’ parents, I can’t help but mention Prescott Bush’s profits resulting from business dealings with the Nazis. (gee, that sounds a lot worse, doesn’t it?)
When you sell Bob – that means you now own the MONEY.
What’s false about that Bob… did he give all of the fortunes away???
There is NOTHING wrong with him having OWNED a portion of an oil company NOR having sold it.
What’s funny is how the left has to DEAL with the hatred of oil tycoons and then get surprised because they didn’t learn from the drive-by legacy media that their Gore was an oil man also.
The ONLY people who have issues with oil (a LEGAL product) seems to be leftists…
We talk about the money made because it’s funny to see you guys squirm after hoisting so much VITRIOL our way about personalities who are Big Texan Oil men.
IT’S STUPID and I’M GLAD you see it that way also. Now please demonstrate that you understand how attacking on these lines are stupid. And share with your liberal friends how stupid this attacking stuff is…. Maybe you can get through to them because we can’t. It’s one attack after another !
Shouldn’t we be debating ideas and not personalities???
I try to bring it back to the ideas in every post. Because in EVERY large group of people whether it be the Catholic church, General Motors, Democrats, Republicans, Californians, Nebraskans, you will find corrupt or mean people and good and nice people.
Move away from the darkness !! The only person you can control is your own words. Get back to the ideas. I call your ideas leftist but let that be no reflection on how bright you may or may not be.
Bob, over at Right Voices there is a series of posts on the unreliability of Wikipedia, especially when it comes to politics.
I notice you ran from your stand on Kerry. Too much oa va paper trail proving him a traitor an a liar.
Too bad we don’t try traitors anymore. Kerry, Fonda, and Ted Kennedy would look great on the nightly news doing the perp walk in shackles.
Why can’t you answer my question Bob?? Why can’t you ever answer my questions Bob?? I mean if your answer about how you put so much trust in the likes of Gore and Branson is because of Republican Morality, well I am sorry but that has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever read. (Well until I read the poster below yours that is.) I don’t put that much trust in Republicans. They had a chance to do the right thing and what did they do?? They wasted in on such wastful asinine ideas, I really began to think they were Democrats. But here is the difference between you and me, I understand that my party has idiots in it, and I disagree with them a great deal of the time. You on the other hand swallow whatever BS flows from the mouth of whatever idiot Dem that is out there. Just like Al just happening to get a letter from someone about a toxic waste dump. Now Change Al Gore for John Travolta and you have the beginning of “A Civil Action”. But you don’t see that. How Amazing. There are no charges here but Al has lied about this sort of stuff, why not now?? Do you ask yourself that question? If you do, you certainly don’t show it. Good Luck in this life Bob. But I would be a little less trusting of people who have or had a stake in whatever the problem of the moment is.
Masochist, where does one start?? Let’s see your carbon credit receipts. Hello??? Again, try to use some critical thinking, what was the main point of my posts??? They were show the irony of what you all were saying and what the reality of the situation was. I know that some lefties, you apparently, believe the word irony means mostly made of iron, as in the bar had alot of iron in it so it was irony, but in this case I use the other definition. I don’t believe Jesus hates anyone, infact I do believe he forgave even those who murdered him. But I do believe he will be shedding tears of pain and suffering when people who rejected him. So I don’t know what you are getting at outside of more seriously stupid logic. As far as Bush’s dad, please provide a link, I would be interested to read this. But let’s face it even JFK’s dad was a gangster, so this is just more tit for tat garbage, which seems to be a pretty stupid argument also. Anyway you also seem to be in need of serious luck to get ahead in this world. So I wish you a great deal of luck, and hope that your life turns out better. – Lorica
Lorica, sometimes it’s hard to keep straight what’s being demanded of me at any moment, given the flurry of charges, counter-charges, and who you think I’m for and who you think I’m against. I don’t believe I’ve ever mentioned the name of Branson anywhere. Why do you assume that I’m taking his side? Where did I say that I put trust in Gore because of “Republican Morality?” I never used that term. I have no idea what “A Civil Action” is. Is it a movie? How the heck should I know?
In general, the problem I’m having here is how you seem to assume that Gore is dishonest and ridiculous, based on an old set of fabricated charges, which have all been thoroughly researched and proven to be false. Let’s reiterate: do you still stand by the old charges about Gore claiming to have invented the internet, how he supposedly lied about the character in “Love Story” being based on him, how he supposedly lied about holding the first hearings on Love Canal? Do you stand by those charges? Once those were debunked, then you try to move on to another set of unfair charges that were made by some dude at the Hoover Institute. Once it was shown that those charges were also factually incorrect and misleading, then you ratchet up the morality and ethics standards that Gore is supposed to be living up to, now throwing in some bizarre insinuation about how he is somehow morally responsible, and lying about, Love Canal. The theme seems to be that Gore simply has to be found guilty, and it doesn’t matter how many times the people making the charges against him have proven themselves to be the dishonest and ridiculous ones, Gore is still demanded to atone. It’s such BS.
Far be it from me to appoint myself as Gore’s defender. I just can’t help noticing how it is anymore that any prominent individual who opposes the agenda of the right wing becomes the victim of a smear campaign. Whether it’s Bill or Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Joe Wilson, John Kerry, Richare Clarke, Nancy Pelosi . . . you name them. The modus operandi is always the same: attack the person, make things up if you have to, keep repeating it no matter if it’s been shown to be false. At all costs, try to make it about the person, not about what they’re saying. It’s a stupid and dishonest way to conduct political discourse.
Bob,
Try this:
Al Gore’s 21 Lies
Internet News Bureau – Posted: 10.06.00
Just the lies in his piece of fiction movie.
How many more can be add to this list from Al Gore’s movie An Inconvenient Truth?
PCD,
If it’s on the internets, it must be true!
Seriously though, the Sierra Times? You linked to an editorial on the Sierra Times? Right after calling Wikipedia a playground for partisans?
Your cognitive dissonance must be a stunning thing to experience.
I’m sure if I linked to a page on the DailyKOS proving that GWB is an alien who actually drinks oil and iraqi blood for sustenance, you would accept it as factual, just as you expect us to take an editorial from the Sierra Times as fact. (but of course you wouldn’t…and I wouldn’t blame you)
And that’s the most rediculous thing about all this…. you all have so much vitriol for gore, and point to his “lying” as the source of your vitriol. Of course, if you all hated GWB for his “lying” then there might be some credence to your allegations…but alas, you have no credibility when the common denominator among those you hate is not their honesty, but their political leanings.
Hell, I don’t even ascribe malicious motives to Bush, yet you all ascribe them to gore, bill, hillary and others on a regular basis. It’s kinda how I can tell when people are serious political thinkers or just hateful hacks. And both sides, left and right, have their share of hacks.
Look in the mirror, Masochist, to see a hack.
Wiki is changed by anyone who cares to register. Now and article is not so changable. You just are ducking the documentation. When the left wants to obfuscate…
PCD, the site you linked to contains the following statement at the top of the page:
There are no footnotes to reference any of the sources for the charges on the list. The list contains all of the old charges that I mentioned had been proven false. The honesty of only two of the charges in their list contained corrections. For one such correction, the site’s publisher stated the following:
Did you get that? They don’t know who the author of this list is, they have no verification for the sources of the charges, but they’re presenting it anyway. Wow—what integrity!
Other entries in the list are said to be lies, but upon inspection, they consist of the following kinds of things:
So not finishing law school means that you couldn’t have learned a lot about law anyway? A minor issue about whether Gore said he finished divinity school is supposed to negate the fact that he did attend divinity school and may well have developed an appreciation for spirituality there? So not knowing what a mammogram is makes you a liar? Making campaign promises that don’t come to fruition makes Gore (and all other politicians, I suppose) a liar? But the main issue is: there are no verifiable sources for any of these charges. How do we know they weren’t all made up, distorted or exaggerated the way those for which we have independent verification were?
How about if I put up a web page that says you’re a criminal, based on something that someone else (who I don’t even know) said? So what if I have no sources for the charges. Is it OK for me to leave those charges there as long as I pretend that, if you knew about my site, you could challenge the charges? Does that make it fair and honest? Basically, PCD, this is slander. I think it really shows who’s being dishonest here. Shame on you.
I do remember seeing a clip of Al Gore stating he invented the internet.
I think there were many people who invented the internet.
As for the movie, you can go HERE to see what otehrs have found to be incorrect, and it does include documentation and sources to help. I posted this earlier for others to read, but must have been bypassed.
Again read more HERE
Another decent read with questions HERE
A good read, cautious note HERE
And lastly, a video of Marlo Lewis jr response to Gore and a PDF file book on A Skeptic’s Guide to An Inconvenient Truth can be seen HERE
You make yuour own decisions…I am just giving you the links to help you on your way.
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No, that was PCD who said that, G Monster. Can you believe it—haw haw—PCD claimed to have invented the internet. I don’t have any evidence to prove it, but who cares, right? PCD is a phony because I say so! Let PCD prove he’s not a phony. It’s not my problem. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha . . . What a phony! Obviously I’m just being facetious, PCD, but can’t you see what I’m trying to say?
Actully, Gore is not without a sense of humor about some of this stuff. He teased an audience once about the internet thing. He pretended to scold them, saying something like “Don’t forget—I gave you the internet, and I can always take it back!”
A case in point: it took me about 10 seconds through a Google search to find a web site that implies that Rudy Giuliani is morally responsible for brutal acts committed by the NYC police during his term as mayor. The site claims that Giuliani “used police state tactics to brutalize citizens” and then discusses two infamous cases (Amadou Diallo and Abner Louima) where an innocent suspect was either shot dead without cause or sexually brutalized by members of the NYPD. During the Louima incident, one cop supposedly said, “This is Giuliani-time.” Therefore, the site says that, “This statement confirms that police feel they were given a license to brutalize by those at the top.” They call Giuliani “evil” and say, “Don’t fall for Giuliani’s lies and stupidities. Tell Rudy Giuliani to go home to his police state.”
Is this really the level that we want our political discourse to be conducted at? As a Democrat, I wouldn’t want any part of such malicious and unfair rhetoric.
/Sigh I am sorry Bob but if you are not going to read what I write, why would I continue debating this issue. It is pretty obvious you don’t know or don’t really care about an opposing side to this discussion, you have your belief and if any one brings up inconsistancies in your beliefs, instead of properly answering the questions, you come up with some false vast right wing conspiracy and then feel you have done your duty defending what your beliefs. The only reason Al Jr. is an object in my posts is because he has placed himself in the forefront of this debate. You basically agree with the majority of what he says so he was convient to my argument. Ohhh by the way Al Jr. didn’t get rid of his Dad’s Oxy stock until 5 years after his dad died. Thought you needed to be corrected on that. And it was because he was under pressure from extreme enviromentalists groups. Not us right wingers.
Anyway once again Bob you have not answered my question, and you have avoided the debate. This isn’t alot of fun for me if you really must know. But since we have abit of history, I just thought I would give you another try. I am sorry I wasted our time. I will never ever get these last 20 minutes back, so I am going to quit wasting my time. Good Day and I hope it is sunny. – Lorica
Hey Masochist where is my link on the Nazi ties of the Bush family??? Hello Bueller?? – Lorica
Michael Moore and Al Gore can take statistics and half truths, and twist them to create a movie in favor of whatever point of view they wish to present and earn big bucks doing it. The internet provides a place for the myths of these movies to be debunked.
I think there ought to be a law to protect people like Bob, that were taken in by such movies. Say if more than 20% of a movie represented by it’s producer as a truthful documentary is proved to be false, the consumer receives a full refund of the admission price.
This refund would also apply to those that are too ignorant and fail to see the truth even after it has been presented to them, so long as they have a ticket stub. Maybe this will put a stop to those cashing in on bogus movies.
And Bob, regarding rhetoric, I am glad you don’t want any part of it. But as an independent, I must say, the only reason I come to this right wing blog, is that I’m afraid of the left wing blogs.
Lorica, Albert Gore Sr. died on Dec. 5, 1998. Gore’s office said in Aug., 2006 (the quote I provided earlier in this thread) that his father’s shares of Oxy stock were sold “almost six years ago” which means that the shares were likely sold in 2000. The claim you make that Gore Sr.’s shares were not sold until five years after his death seems to be mathematically impossible. So unless you have some insider information that the rest of us are not privy to, you seem, once again, to be making a lame attempt to pass off a lie about Gore. Please don’t insult my intelligence like that. You’ve ruined your credibility, both through dishonesty and hypocrisy.
If you’re worried about oil stock, why not obsess about what seems to have been a possible case of insider trading that George W. Bush, who is our current president, engaged in while he was an executive of Harkin Energy? You know, when he just happened to dump all of his stock immediately before an unfavorable financial report caused the share price to tank? While having a father who owned oil company stock is certainly no crime, insider trading actually is. This is why I note the hypocrisy of nit-picking Gore’s actions while completely ignoring the unethical (and quite possibly illegal) actions of the politicians you support.
And beyond that, trying to debate global warming by making dishonest attacks against Al Gore is really lame. Like I said, don’t insult my intelligence.
I hope I can make a few clear statements and get out of the way.
Put simply: our current method of producing almost all products is generally not extremely efficient. Inefficiency means certain elements or impurities are released and must be disposed of somewhere. To anyone who thinks that our prosperity as Americans is somehow good for the world is seriously shortsighted. Please look up any number of reports on environmental conditions in China, that country that makes all our stuff, and tell me about how we’re really helping out the global environment.
Frankly, I can’t believe that no one here has mentioned the Tragedy of the Commons. Car exhaust HURTS people (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21159691-23290,00.html)
and to continue to allow, even support, companies that HURT people is DISGUSTING and ANTI-HUMAN. Human induced global warming or no, we are losing environmental control due to corporate lobbyists. If anyone here, left or right, would prefer to inhale carbon monoxide and plenty of other dangerous chemicals please let me know, because I’m sure Exxon is looking for a cheerleader of your type.
Bob, I’ll state it a second and last time.
When you sell something you now OWN THE MONEY.
TGBP wrote, “To anyone who thinks that our prosperity as Americans is somehow good for the world is seriously shortsighted.”
I have 20/20 vision. America does more good for the world than any other nation. We provide more food to hurting countries, more money, more medical supplies, more labor and relief effort, more security, etc. We even put forth more Research and Development into drugs, the environment, and just about anything you can name. Our prosperity enables our generosity.
Because we are prosperous we consume more yes. You are consuming by being on the computer so stop. I consumed this last weekend and EVERYTHING I did put more CO2 in the air. I went to the store and got tile. The manufacturer of the tile produce CO2 to make the tile. I went to another store and got concrete backer board. Same thing for that manufacturer and retailer. The adhesive, grout and all the tiling tools required CO2. I drank beer as a luxury this last weekend. That make CO2. My house is 2000 square feet – and so everything any American does requires more CO2 than a 3rd worlder who only consumed the food they ate during the same 3 day weekend.
Nobody here needs to feel guilty for improving their home, throwing ideas around on the computer, having a beer or having a standard of living that is far greater than 100 years ago. Our prosperity and the industrial age has brought us to where we are and now we have a big target on or backs by liberals who want to implement leftist ideas which would hurt this nation and our standard of living.
It is NOW a crisis that the earth has warmed .7 degrees Celcius over the last 100 years when we as Americans have extended our life expectancy from 45 for men and 49 for woman (in 1906) to 75 for men and 79 for women (in 2006)? I don’t see it. I see vegetation needing CO2, liking the .7 degrees more and I see the fact that we have only increased CO2 output in the last 5 years by less than 2% while China has increased their output by 50% as China being the problem. Because on top of the CO2 China is also putting out more pollutants not just increasing CO2
Your right Bob, I have been looking where I read that it was in 2003, but I confused it with the sale of the Zinc Mine which was run by Oxy, my mistake.
As far as the rest of your comments about me, I keep telling you I am not attacking Al Jr. or Sr. They can buy whatever stock they want, I don’t really care. More power to them!!! Isn’t capitalism grand. All I am trying to do, is help you to realize that “Big Oil” made the Gore family very wealthy, and that you Bob should really wake up and look who you are agreeing with. My every post has been about you Bob, and folks just like you. Now I know you will go on with some “Ad hominem” attack on me about Bush and Cheney and blah blah blah, and help me to realize that I am in agreement with the devil himself. I don’t really care, you don’t read but half of what I write here anyway. I am not trying to insult your inteligence or anything like that. I just want you to see that some of the people you are in agreement with are not exactly as wonderful as some would think they are. If that is attacking the Gore family, I am alot more confused than I think. But it does show me that You, Bob, have a serious problem deceminating facts when they are presented to you. I am not your everyday conservative. I have told you before, I believe in global warming. Infact after 9/11 when there was no jet travel for those 3 days, the atmosphere above the America cooled. So I have already told you what law I would make. No more air travel for flights below 3 hours. I am all for expansion into bullet trains, and have been for years Bob. Why there is not electric magnetic lift monorail between Chicago and St. Loius is quite simply beyond me. Especially when these guys are running hundreds of flights per year between those two cities. I have written my congressional folks about it, I usually only get the congressional thank you note back. I am not trying to be dishonest with you Bob, I am not trying some lame attack, I am just trying to help the awareness of so many who would put folks on a pedestal. – Lorica
Temperatures in Antarctica Haven’t Climbed as Predicted By Climate Models
I definitely understand the ‘just be cause we are ahead we don’t need to feel guilty’ thing, but really, China is not the problem, the entire first world is USING China to fulfill their profit margins. I realize that there has been a great increase in the standard of living in China, but for the most part people are still in abject poverty, and I realize that we are providing jobs for those people in abject poverty, but really China is ruining it’s environment (and their pollution has now made its way to our soil on the west coast) in order to industrialize. More succinctly, it took the US about 100 years to industrialize, it has taken China about 20, and the repercussions shall be felt the world over for a very long time. All I ask is for people to realize that heading off fossil fuels benefits so many groups of people for so many different reasons. Want to stop the middle east from being so absurdly powerful and backwards? Stop buying their oil. Want to improve peoples health? stop burning coal and oil. Want to stop the destruction of the environment, stop buying fossil fuels. I just find it backwards that people are so insistent that things must stay the way they are, as if there isn’t the potential, with adequate funding, to really help benefit the world in so many ways. I’m not against making money, I’m against stagnation when there is no need for it.
Baklava and Lorica, let me say that I have nothing against commerce and industry. I’m glad that we’re lucky enough to live in a prosperous country. I’ve never suggested that it was a good idea to take conservation measures that wiped out the economy. But it seems to me that there are a lot of things that could be done to improve our energy efficiency. It’s exactly along the lines of what you’ve already noted, Baklava, that cars now get much better fuel economy even while producing way more horsepower than they used to. I’m all for identifying such win-win solutions. Anybody who makes money by providing a more energy efficient mouse trap—more power to them.
As for Al Gore, like I said, it’s not my place to defend him. But I suspect if you look at any wealthy family, whether it’s the Bushes, the Kennedys, the Gores or the Cheneys, you can almost certainly find some investments or past involvements in enterprises that might have been questionable. I have shares of a few different mutual funds. Do I know every single company that those funds are invested in? No, I honestly do not. Now you’ve got me worried that maybe I own a piece of Occidental Petroleum, or, God forbid, Exxon. I think it’s safe to say that we all try to live ethical lives and practice what we preach. But sometimes things slip through the cracks. I know for sure that I’m not perfect, and I won’t hold it against you guys, or Al Gore, if none of you are perfect either.
Anyway, thanks for indulging me in this discussion. Have a good one!
Al Gore’s Lies
Gore said that 15-year-old Kaylee Ellis, a student at Sarasota High School, in Sarasota, Florida, was forced to stand outside in the hall because her classroom was overcrowded. – LIE
Gore stated that he accompanied Federal Emergency Management Agency Director James Lee Witt to Texas to assess the 1996 Parker County fires. – LIE
Gore stated that 96% of students attend public school. – LIE
In December 1999, Gore claimed: I helped to negotiate an agreement with the Internet service providers to put a parent protection page up and give parents the ability to click on all of the web sites that their children have visited lately (ABC’s Nightline, Dec. 16, 1999). In fact, Gore had nothing to do with this. An editorial in the Wall Street Journal observes: The [Internet] industry had been working for a year with bipartisan members of Congress on putting a link to on-line child-safety resources on the front page of Internet portals — with no participation from the Vice President (The Wall Street Journal, May 6, 1999). – LIE
In September, Gore, boasting of his heritage of support for trade unions, claimed that the union song “Look For The Union Label” was sung to him as a lullaby when he was a child. In fact, the TV jingle came out in 1975 when Al Gore was 27 years old (Washington Times, Oct. 2-8, 2000). Gore’s staff tried to say that their man was actually referring to a 1901 union song, but Gore himself admitted that this was not the case and claimed that it was a joke! – LIE
Gore claims his father was a champion of civil rights. In fact, the senior Gore voted against the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964. – LIE
Gore claimed that he co-sponsored the McCain/Feingold Campaign Finance Reform bill. He said: I was a co-sponsor of it, and I feel that it’s very important to get the influence of special interest money out of our politics (The New York Times, Nov. 24, 1999). In fact, Gore not only did not, but could not have cosponsored McCain-Feingold. Russ Feingold was not elected until 1992. Al Gore quit the Senate in 1992 to become Vice President. Feingold and Gore never served together. – LIE
In 1987, Gore told the Des Moines Register his work as an investigative reporter at the Nashville Tennesseean led to the jailing of a bunch of people. He later had to apologize for the lie (Columbia Journalism Review, Jan. 1993). – LIE
Gore claimed that Bush’s Vice Presidential running mate Dick Cheney was one of the few to vote against Head Start . . . he even voted against the school lunch program· In fact, Cheney voted to increase Head Start Funding. It was Gore who opposed it. In 1981, Cheney voted for the Budget Reconciliation bill (CQ vote #104: HR 3982) that increased Head Start funding by 16 percent; from $820 million in 1981 to $950 million in 1982. Gore voted against this measure. – LIE
These are some “inconvenient truths”, aren’t they.
Great Research Todd. I mean that sincerely. You have just pointed out what a liar Al Gore is. Bob, would you like to rebut? Or is the game over?
The Liberals whine and moan about how Gore gets picked on when the man is a walking example of rank Liberal hypocrisy and Left Wing insanity.
Yet these very same Liberals and their Leftist Media are unrelenting in their attack on the President and Vice President and anyone else who does not agree with them.
Looks like the Left can dish it out, but they can’t take it.
It’s time to give them a taste of their own medicine. The Left is dangerous and a bunch of kook Moonbats. The entire Global BS is nothing but the new religion of the Communist Left who want to micromanage everybody’s life.
“Global Warming” is nothing but a pure Left Wing political agenda that would make Stalin, Marx, and Mao proud.
TGBP wrote, “China is not the problem, the entire first world is USING China to fulfill their profit margins.”
Because people/countries pay China for goods and services doesn’t put the blame on us as you seem to wish to do.
They are entirely responsible for earning the money responsibly. Only they can be responsible while earning. If they are NOT being responsible why would somebody say that is our fault?
TGBP wrote for no reason, “I just find it backwards that people are so insistent that things must stay the way they are,”
I am not insistent and I don’t know anybody who is insistent that things must stay the same. WE are saying here TGBP that we must not implement leftist solutions due to the ‘crisis’. It isn’t a ‘crisis’. More people have died in one city named Milwalkee (sic) during this one last cold spell than died due to the .7 degree Celcius rise in temperature during the last 100 years. In fact OUR life expectancy has risen by 30 years during the same 100 year period. We have MORE vegetation and more forest than 100 years ago.
Again, I’m not saying we do nothing. First leftists don’t recognize that this country has spent more on climate change than ANY OTHER country. And second I suggest that the solutions we implement are market oriented so that they hurt less people than leftist solutions would. Taxing more, removing oil ‘profits’ and caps on CO2 are all ideas that would make more poor people and hurt their ability to survive and live comfortably.
Additionally, we are fairly efficient. We are 28% of the world’s economy but only emit 21% of the world’s CO2.
We make improvements in our efficiency and emissions because of our prosperity. Just about everybody ‘cares’ and it would do you well to understand that people ‘care’ as opposed to thinking that people don’t.
Bob, Now that you’ve proven you are a liar, no one needs dealing with you, Edited. –ST
Here is another good law for you. No company can do business in America or with America, unless it submits to American Enviromental Laws. Wonder what kind of up-roar that would make. – Lorica