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1. CZ says:

   June 26, 2007 at 7:08 pm

   Respectfully. Here are my thoughts. Since you asked. Nothing to vent.

   As a conservative first and a republican second we do not need any more “bills”.

   Secure our borders. Uphold the laws already on the books. Head ‘em up…move ‘em out.

   I cannot buy into “late term” amnesty for those who do not respect our laws and take advantage of our generosity.

   Our government has proven once again that they cannot solve another problem they have created.

   JMHO
2. Great White Rat says:

   June 26, 2007 at 9:52 pm

   The regulars know where I stand on this bill as well, ST. I’m disappointed in the outcome of this vote, but I think there’s still a chance it may founder because of some of the amendments. If I understand correctly, there will be a second cloture vote, which gives some of the senators who voted yes this time a chance to reconsider.

   That said, I do get a bizarre feeling when I look at the roll call. Can’t recall the last time I saw a vote where Debbie Stabenow and Bernie Sanders agreed with me and Mitch McConnell and John Ensign didn’t.

   This is one of the few issues where party affiliation doesn’t seem to matter – looks like Democrats, Republicans, and independents all take a dim view of this poorly-crafted legislation. My guess is some of those votes will swing back to more predictable and responsible positions next time around. At least I hope so.
3. Sister Toldjah says:

   June 26, 2007 at 10:04 pm

   Yeah – tha’ts one of the oddest-looking roll calls I’ve ever seen.
4. PCD says:

   June 27, 2007 at 9:47 am

   I won’t be surprised if this abortion of a bill gets passed. Look at that assault on free speech, McCain-Feingold. The Senate will pass the biggest pieces of crap as secretly as they can.

   I’ve told the RNC to bugger off. The Country Club elitists just don’t get it.
5. Lorica says:

   June 27, 2007 at 10:20 am

   If this bill passes into law, I am done voting Republican. I will not have a hand in helping this great country go to hell in a handbasket. Fully aware of the wishes of the grass roots of the party these idiots went ahead with their desire to screw lower income Americans, in the hopes of getting new votes. I hope and pray these guys come to their senses when it comes down to the actual vote for this stupid bill. What is the point of voting if the people you elect are going to lie to you and do what they “deem” is the right direction after they are elected. I expect that from Dems, but in the past Republcians have had some ethics. I guess that has all changed now. – Lorica
6. Kathy says:

   June 27, 2007 at 12:42 pm

   As a North Carolinian I am proud of Elizabeth Dole and dismayed by Richard Burr. He had a promising career. Had.

   Townhall awarded the Ninny award to the President who made this a republican issue. It could be the dumbest political move on record.

   The WSJ pleads the case with this argument: a bad bill is better than no bill, and the Latinos who 3 to 2 prefer democrats would somehow be grateful enough to vote republican, contrary to all previous voting patterns. Wow – how far off can you get?

   I had hope the republican self-immolation was over after the Pelosi trip to Syria, and that Americans would come to their senses and throw out the democrats in 2008. Congressional approval seemed to support some optimism, that is until the republican party decided to commit hari-kari over immigration. Now who would we throw out the democrats for? The sellouts in the republican party? Sad – republicans seizing defeat from the jaws of victory.
7. Lorica says:

   June 27, 2007 at 1:14 pm

   I had hope the republican self-immolation was over after the Pelosi trip to Syria, and that Americans would come to their senses and throw out the democrats in 2008. Congressional approval seemed to support some optimism, that is until the republican party decided to commit hari-kari over immigration. Now who would we throw out the democrats for? The sellouts in the republican party? Sad – republicans seizing defeat from the jaws of victory.

   ABSOLUTELY!!! Why did we lose the 2006 elections?? Because our people started acting like Democrats. They threw out the ideas of smaller government, personal ethics and personal responsibility. Why vote for people who are opposed to my core beliefs?? I might as well vote Democrat and insure a veto proof majority. I hope and pray that these guys find a clue fast. – Lorica
8. Lorica says:

   June 27, 2007 at 1:38 pm

   Rush just said something very interesting. In this idiotic bill they are going to make everyone “Touchback” to their home countries in order to get the “Z” visa. Well if these folks are hiding in the shadows, and if we can “round ‘em up, and ship ‘em out” how are we going to get them all to touch back??? Anyone care to explain this to me??? – Lorica
9. Great White Rat says:

   June 27, 2007 at 4:34 pm

   Here’s another unsettling factor: The Washington Times reports that Mexican criminals are already gearing up to provide forged documents that will accelerate the pace of illegal border-crossing…if the current bill passes.

   Here’s the key passage:

   “When Leija-Sanchez said ‘if there’s an amnesty, he can fix his papers,‘ Leija-Sanchez was referring to the possibility of pending legislation which would allow a certain class of illegal aliens to remain in the United States, as long as they can prove a term of residency in the United States with no convictions,” agent Medica wrote.

   “When Leija-Sanchez said ‘he can fix his papers,’ he was referring to the fact that the organization could fraudulently create or alter documents to falsely prove the requisite residency period,” the agent wrote.

   In other words, once the current bill passes, count on more illegals showing up with fake fast-track papers giving them the right to stay.

   To those on the right who support the bill: I know you honestly believe it will help stem the influx of illegals, but this strikes me as yet more evidence that your view is misguided. Without some seriously improved security – and the bill doesn’t provide this – it will only make matters worse. In that sense, this bill would only repeat history. From the same article:

   opponents say it would invite a new wave of illegal aliens with fraudulent documents trying to prove they are eligible for legal status. They point to the 1986 amnesty, in which about a quarter of approved applications were later deemed fraudulent.

   If you’re still uncertain about whether this bill might be a good thing, please, please think again.
10. forest hunter says:

    June 27, 2007 at 8:03 pm

    I keep waiting for door number three to show up, while some off stage announcer in a Mexirbic accent to tell these former Senators what they’ve won. If for no other reason than to hear a unified *Do-0vers!* be shouted from the freshly redeposited back whence they came, nimrods!

    Add reads Senators wanted- Americans true blue only need apply. Back that up with the video on a how to ensure the result wanted as in this case from a couple days back.

    This is so screwy….(How screwy izzit!?)….. either someone is being seriously blackmailed or has a yet untold secret of epic proportion, maybe both. Defiance is as defiance does.

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