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Audacity of Truth
Whiner-in-Chief:
"[W]hether the grumbling is about Republicans on Fox or bloggers in pajamas, there's a word for what the president and his aides are doing. That word is "whining." And nothing [...] does more damage to Obama's credibility or authority than the sense that a popular president is becoming the whiner-in-chief."
- John Nichols, Nation Magazine - 10/12/09
Bad news for military-hating mediots and far lefties alike
Investigating officer Lt. Col. Paul J. Ware has recommended dropping all charges against yet another Marine in the Haditha case:
An investigating officer has recommended that a Marine Corps general drop all charges against a Marine accused of murdering civilians in Haditha, Iraq, finding again that the 2005 shootings were “tragedies” but that the Marine did not violate the laws of combat.
Lt. Col. Paul J. Ware wrote in a 29-page report that there is insufficient evidence to show that Lance Cpl. Stephen B. Tatum did anything other than follow Marine Corps rules when he killed women and children in two houses in a residential neighborhood in Iraq on Nov. 19, 2005. Ware found that Tatum followed orders to attack the houses and shot a group of civilians only because another Marine in the unit was already shooting at them.
[...]
“What occurred in house 1 and house 2 are tragedies,” Ware wrote. “The photographs of the victims are heart wrenching, and the desire to explain this tragedy as criminal act and not the result of training and fighting an enemy that hides among innocents is great. However, in the end, my opinion is that there is insufficient evidence for trial. LCpl Tatum shot and killed people in houses 1 and 2, but the reason he did so was because of his training and the circumstances he was placed in, not to exact revenge and commit murder.”
Jack B. Zimmerman, a civilian attorney for Tatum, said he is pleased with the report and will await Mattis’s ruling before commenting further. Should Mattis dismiss the charges, it would leave pending murder charges in the case against one enlisted Marine, Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich.
As a reminder, three other Marines have already been exonerated. This story is falling apart almost as fast as the Democrats’ rationale for wanting to cut and run from Iraq.
Still no word, no apologies from the accusatory Murtha camp.
Here’s more bad news for the usual suspects: Belief that we’re winning the war on terror, and that things will get better in Iraq in the coming months as a result of the surge is ticking up a bit. This follows a trend indicating more and more of the American people support the surge, the more good news they hear about it.
Couple all this with the fact that Iraq war critics left and far left are actually acknowledging that the surge is producing some fruitful results – to the point that they’re having to ‘refocus‘ their Iraq message, and you could say that this has been a long, hot, disappointing summer for defeatist surrendercrats.
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You’ve really got to feel sorry for Tatum, who will have to live with the horror of what he’s done for the rest of his life. The real criminals are sitting on their lily white asses in the White House.
RE the surge: I’m sure we’ll be having the same conversation this time next year. Have you been reading the news? Government officials being murdered in the streets, no more Sunni representation in Parlaiment because they all walked out, NIA giving voting no-confidence in Maliki, helicopters being shot out of the sky, (oops, I meant to say crashing due to mechanical failure).
Everyone with any brain in their head has come to the realization that there is no military solution. The Bush people have zero acumen in the kind of hard-headed diplomacy it will take to get all the factions in Iraq on the same page.Aside from the recent surge in pro-occupation propaganda, it sounds like more of the same to me.
Randy, the real criminals in this country are Democrats like you who lie to smear the President to win political points at the cost of boosting the moral of AlQaeda, who have sworn to kill ALL Americans. Wake up, man!
Tommy, you are back on the weed. The only incompetants are the Democrat leadership in the House and Senate.
None of them can run a war, keep a promise, tell the truth, or be ethical in any way, shape or form.
Which NIE report tommy? This one?
Report concludes now not the time to change mission
Because this report says that there have been measurable gains by the military. It also says that Iraq is in a precarious spot for the next 6-12 months and that changing the mission now could have terrible results.
How you conclude that this somehow proves your point of view is beyond me. The article also mentions that it’s a “glass half full or half empty” depending on how you look at it. I guess we wont have to figure out how you and the rest of the left will view it. God forbid things actually improve over there, that would be tough for the dems to deal with. They have already admitted that.
As for Randy:
Sure have, have you? Have you been reading about how Iraqis are fighting Al Qaeda and sunni insurgents alongside U.S. troops because they are starting to realize who the bad guys are? Nah, that wouldn’t interest you, would it?
Wow, I didn’t think anyone would use the deaths of 14 soldiers as a glib point to accuse Bush of being a liar. How sad. Helicopters have been shot down before, Randy, and they always announce when it is a result of enemy fire. Do you have a reason to believe they are lying about this one? Of course you dont, but it never stops people like you. You are so desperate for failure in Iraq just so you can say “I told you so”. I guess you’ll have to live with that for the rest of your life.
Of course, because disagreeing with you means that you have no brain. So much for open debate. I guess we could fight Al Qaeda with political slogans, much like the dems want to do with the U.S. election, but I don’t think these guys vote Randy.
Strange I was just going to say the same thing about your post.
LOL! This from the same set of moonbats that think that Bush stole two elections by rigging them, was responsible for the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil, and lied to start two wars.
Sounds like incompetence to me, or pure genius. Which is it guys? Make up your mind.
NC Cop look WE NEVER HAD enough troops on the ground when we first removed Saddam from power. Then after one election after another and another and after Saddam was hung(btw the dudes who actually did hang his sorry ass gave the credit to Moqtada Al-Sadr) and so far Iraq is still a war zone. How many repeated deployments should our troops serve over there waiting for the political factions in Iraq make some kind of deal? At some point you have to come to the conclusion that we might be throwing good money after bad into building just a functioning stable society over in Iraq. Patience is beginning to wear thin here at home that’s just a fact.Got it?
Tommy, do you ever directly address a point made here by those you disagree with? NC Cop was over there retail, not sitting in a green zone hotel like the reporters and Democrats you listen to.
If the Democrats are so good at making peace, why do we still have gang wars in the US? Clinton never did squat about those.
You know PCD you gotta chill out dude. I know more than a few people who has been to the sandbox and the ones who have kids are happy as hell their kids aren’t growing up in a war zone. If you do not understand that then I really don’t know what else to say.
tommy wrote, “Deafetist surrendercrats? I wouldn’t make a staement like that”
Harry Reid said, “we can’t win in Iraq”.
tommy wrote, “beginning to realize that we have an incompent person…”
I’ll finish that sentence properly for you by holding up a mirror. I’m beginning to realize that we have an incompent (sp) person named tommy posting on this blog..
You seem to like harsh statements. So I held up the mirror. You like???
NC in comment #5 showed the incompetence. You lack reading comprehension… OR you didn’t read the report and got talking points somewhere else. That would be negligence.
In comment #7 you left off your claims about the NIE report. Drill down into detail about a subject. Maybe we could learn something – or maybe you might. You’ve stated your comment in post #7 about 100 times. It’s not a new viewpoint.
As usual, tommy forgot to buy a clue before dropping by:
How easy do you think it is to establish a stable government when AQ terror attacks persist? The different factions won’t be able to seriously work on reconciliation until the military conditions in Iraq make it possible. And that’s where the surge has been critical. That was the conclusion two Brookings Institution analysts reached and published in the NYT recently (ST’s post on that is here).
And why would that not be possible? I smell some sort of racism here…Arabs aren’t capable of having a ‘functioning stable society’? Muslims aren’t? How about telling us why these people, in particular, are incapable of rising above barbarism?
Yep, we’ve got it…the patience needed to win, that is. You might be tired of fighting terrorism, but we’re not.
Or maybe you don’t want to. Once again, there’s no hint of condemnation for AQ in your posts – only our own government. Now I know you’re famous here for never answering a question or sticking to the point, but here’s a very easy one for you. I’d love to hear the answer:
Which would you prefer:
(a) Continued military success in Iraq over the next year leading to fewer terror attacks and more stability, and which leads to the Republicans winning in the 2008 elections.
(b) Withdrawing troops and Iraq in chaos, leading to a stronger al Qaeda and Iran, and which leads to the Democrats winning the 2008 elections.
Not difficult, tommy. Pick a or b. Let’s see what’s really important to you.
Well the fact of the matter Bak is the point that even Republicans are beginning to realize that the 43 Admin’s handling of the war are coming to the conclusion that surge or no surge the possibilty of stable pro-West multi-ethnic Iraq is pretty unlikely. And if “(sp)means you are refering to me as a secular-progressive than I’ll gladly take the compliment
12, tommy, I wouldn’t take a retiring Warner, a Chuck Hagel or other of the usual RINOs as typical of the GOP base. We have spines, something you lack unless we try taking away your weed.
GWR – I’m still awaiting answers to my questions earlier in the week.. In other words, it won’t happen.
GWR no matter how many battles out troops win at some point we will start at some point reducing our presence. Personally unless we break up the country of Iraq like Yugoslavia this nation just doesn’t have enough manpower on the ground to stabilize it. I’m also glad you served in the Air Force not the Navy you would probably be partying with dolphins if you did.
I am trying to understand the logic of both of these lefties. Leftie A states:
There is NO military solution, unless you are the enemy then they only have a military solution, or hope and pray that Dems win the 2008 elections, which if the Dem leadership, which has already proven itself to be complete idiots, continue on the line of thought they are on, a 2008 win is just not going to be possible.
Now leftie B states:
And yet our military was able to destroy a larger enemy force in 30 days.
Awesome work people!!!
Continuing in silly thinking leftie B states:
And pulling out helps this how?? If we pull out our troops you are going to have an all out slaughter and mayhem. Also, if we pull out it, will only encourage our enemies to come to our shores and try the same thing here. Unless you believe that idiot John Kerry.
I am so happy that they are dismissing these charges against these Marines. The fact of the matter is our enemy hides amongst innocents. More than on one occasion these people have run into mosques or churches and held captive the worshippers. Yet lefties world wide want to make us the bad guys. If there is incompetent thinking it is on the part of the left who believes that they can bury their heads in the sand and the whole problem will just go away. – Lorica
YOUSE MOTHERBLEEPERS are unreal. just unbelievable. 43 starts a war it doesn’t turn out to be as rosy as himself or his minions predictided then turn around and blame the left for the chaos that Iraq is. UNF—–G REAL.
17, Tommy, you do have real comprehension problems.
1. No war goes as anticipated on either side. Only liberals expect perfection or they abandon the effort as failed, except for Federal Government spending and entitlement programs.
2. The Left is being called on their behavior, not being blamed for the conditions in Iraq. You people are so thin skinned, arrogant, and nearly psychotic that you can’t see that you are helping AQ worldwide with your lies and your cut and run demands.
So Tommy are you saying you can’t defend your belief that surrendering to this enemy is a good thing?? Also, per some of the folk on your own side, the tide is turning and victory in Iraq is now very acheivable. You really need to show some hope that our side wins tommy, instead of this constant defeatism.
Also, as a point of fact in regards to Iraq, this is a resumption of hostile activities due to Sadamn’s non-compliance with the surrender agreement. GW didn’t start this war, Sadamn Hussein did. He was constantly attacking our planes in the “No-Fly” zone, and was paying for terrorists and suicide bombers to attack our allies. He was bribing officials in other governments and was starving and brutally maiming and killing his people, but yet you want us to lose this war. That is such a sad attitude tommy. – Lorica
Lorica,
The left can’t accept the mirror you hold up to them, especially with your last paragraph. There are many on the left that were perfectly happy with Saddam in power, if not happy with Saddam launching SCUDS at Israel. Tommy won’t accept this truth.
Tommy, do you see the reality in Lorica’s mirror of yourself? No amount of weed will make that go away, tommy.
We are quite aware of that tommy. The difference is you want to pull all the troops out now and leave Iraq to collapse and create a humanitarian crisis worse than Yugoslavia and Darfur. There is no doubt that Al Qaeda is making Iraq the front lines in the war on terror, but people like you seem to think that if we leave Al Qaeda will go back to being farmers or camel herders. You have no concept of what the consequences are for failure and worse, you don’t care.
All Warner said was that we should reduce some of the numbers in Iraq to send a message. He didn’t say pull out everyone now. Nice try.
As far as a multi-ethnic Iraq, I guess you completely forgot about the 3 elections in which the same percentage of the population of Iraq turned out to vote, as in the U.S. So do they want democracy more or do we want it less???
That’s not gonna work. Here’s why:
Why partitioning won’t work
Please research the actual topic, tommy. You may actually learn something.
Well, let’s analyze that highly intelligent post. First, I believe your heroes on the left like Edwards and Hillary both authorized Bush’s action and when they did they were certainly gung ho. NOW that things arent’t rosy, they are bailing out like rats on a sinking ship. When they realized that the popularity for the war was falling, they changed their tune. Why? Because they are spineless. They wanted to protect their own polls which took precedence over winning in Iraq. Cowards, all.
Please show me a post where someone blames the left for the situation in Iraq. We all know who was president and who initiated the action in Iraq, but we think it’s more important to finish the job than protect our popularity.
One of these days, tommy’s going to give us a straight answer to a question, and we’ll all be in shock for days, especially Ryan and me.
So here’s his latest dodge:
Lorica nailed your error here earlier – it was Saddam’s choice to violate the terms of the cease-fire from the first Gulf War. That’s what started it. So you’re saying you’d have preferred having Saddam still in charge and assisting AQ, since there was no realistic alternative (please spare us any hilarity about going through the UN to resolve it).
And PCD has your number on this one. You’re not being blamed for the chaos that exists, except to the extent that you encourage it. You may not have started the fire, but you’re sure as hell running up and pouring gasoline on it every chance you get. And for that, yeah, you better believe we hold you accountable.
tommy wrote, “at some point we will start at some point reducing our presence”
Yep. After succeeding hopefully
Tommy, Question. Was there anybody who predicted our losses that we’d encounter prior to Iwo Jima? Who predicts before a battle that there will be enormous losses? Hope for the best is always the mode you choose unless you are a blood thirsty fellow.
I’m glad you weren’t around and blogs and the Information age wasn’t around during WW2. We surely would’ve lost with YOUR aiding and comforting the enemy.
Every day you do it and then you get all riled up when we say you just did it again.
If you don’t want to aid the enemy tommy get on the side of winning. Tell the enemy they will lose. Tell the enemy they don’t stand a chance. Tell the enemy that Iraq and America will be free of their terror.
Point them to the reports that we captured or killed 10,000 of them since January. Did you miss those reports.
You have a choice tommy. You can help our men get out faster by helping us win faster or keep our men int heir longer by making it harder for them.
I remember the enemy killed reports we used to get from Viet Nam: body counts we called them. We kept killing them by the thousands and yet they just kept on coming. This lasted over 10 years until it just became politcally untenable to continue. Thats the real lesson of Viet Nam. No matter how nobel we consider ourselves, we are the foreign invaders to the Iraqis.
lester, That’s a perspective…
Another perspective as has been shown is that the Afghani’s and Iraqi’s want a future with prosperity and more freedom and do not want these Al Qaida types running the show. They’ve seen the terror and do not want it to continue. They are helping us.
I find it interesting that those on the left really don’t concern themselves with the aftermath of
retreatingrunning away ‘redeploying’ the troops.I will agree that the president failed miserably at the aftermath of rebuilding and stabilizing Iraq after Saddam was removed. At first there did not seem to be a real plan involved for stabilizing or what would come after Saddam was removed from power.
The US was also presented with a different form of fighting that it was not used to, and it took time to adapt and overcome obstacles in how to deal with a different culture and bring them together, buy time to form a government and begin nation building, restoring power, water, food, ect to millions of people.
If you compare this to Korea (south), you will find after all these years we STILL have a significant amount of troops there also. I should know, I was one of them back in 1990 doing a tour 9 miles from the DMZ.
So to say that we must retreat when progress is finally being made is not using common sense.
It is also not common sense to call for retreating when you have hostiles (insurgents and iranian terrorists) killing more than just US soldiers, but Iraqis police, army and civilians.
Common sense would tell anyone in such a volatile place, that as soon as the American presence is removed, Iran and the supported insurgents, will begin killing in massive amounts, and Iran will move into Iraq in greater numbers where Sharia will become law.
I hear alot of blame – but I do not hear any solutions made on common sense. Pulling out the troops will make every terrorist see the US as bin laden said, a paper tiger that when hit enough times will turn tail and run.
You don’t think the terrorists watch and read US news? Terrorists organizations were applauding Pelosi and hoping the Democrats stay in power. It is pretty bad when the terrorists support what you do as Democrats and hope to keep you in power.
It isn’t because they think of you as friends or peacemakers…because they consider ALL the US as infidels or the great satan. So ask yourself WHY would terrorists organizations take such a great interest in keeping Democrats in power…and congratulating them and wishing them continued successes in Democrats reach for more power?
Why would terrorists who hate the US be so endeared to Democrats?
Common sense people, common sense.
As Bak likes to say, it no longer matters the why, the how, or the what of going into Iraq, whether you believe in it or not – we are there NOW….so what do you plan to do NOW? Retreat or try and win?
It isn’t that Americans are completly against the war, and yes many are also, but many are frustrated that now that we are there, we tie the hands of our soldiers, and we do not allow them to do thier jobs.
Whats next…..
Issuing rubber bullets and nerf cannons?
If only the terrorists would be so inclined, but see, they have an agenda, and it is to win.
Unfortunately, we as the US do not and I fear the resolve of the terrorists will be greater than our resolve to win.
Everyone loved comparing Vietnam and Iraq before, I agree, there are similiarities, that if we pull out, we will have millions of people slaughtered and killed because we pulled out before Iraqis were ready to defend themselves.
If the US pulls out of Iraq, no one, I repeat, no one, will trust the US in helping anymore. We will be as useless as the UN is now.
You don’t think the terrorists watch and read US news? Terrorists organizations were applauding Pelosi and hoping the Democrats stay in power. It is pretty bad when the terrorists support what you do as Democrats and hope to keep you in power.
OK then, Sanity, then it follows that if:
LINK
Then …?
Whoa Sanity, What I’ve written stuck in your head??? I made an impact??? Color me flattered.
Con,
There is propaganda in many places…
Your job is to weed it out as best as you can…
Yep, so why are good Iraqi men sacrificing themselves to protect our soldiers?? – Lorica
Yep, so why are good Iraqi men sacrificing themselves to protect our soldiers?? – Lorica
Unfortunately that’s going too far, even if you buy into the surge–many of these “good Iraqi men” were killing Americans last year. It’s a marriage of convenience.
Says who Con??? Do you believe that GW had a hand in 9/11 too??? Let’s see the proof if you are going to make such statements otherwise move on, no one here tolerates the drive by foolishness of conspiracy nuts. – Lorica
And to answer gil. Who do you think will take over??? What kind of stupid thinking would ask a question like that?? Eventually Iraq will become a prosperous democracy, and like most lefties you will look stupider than usual. – Lorica
How do you know they’re “good,” Lorica? The enemy of my enemy may be my friend, but it doesn’t necessarily make him a “good man.” And calm down, who said anything GW or 9/11?
Interesting link. But I thought that Osama Bin Laden had nothing to do with Iraq so why would he care if we are there. His attempt to pull the U.S. into the Middle East was in Afghanistan, unless of course, you don’t think we should be there, right?
It appears, in that interview, that Osama is using the unpopularity of Bush and the Iraq war and taking advantage of it by saying “I wanted them here!”. How convenient. How nice that you are willing to take the word of a mass murderer to make a political point.
Also, does that mean if we have to go to war in the future all the enemy has to do is say “We wanted them to do that!” and we will turn tail and run. Great plan.
Al Qaeda welcomes democrats election
So you see, Iran, Syria, and Al Qaeda were happy when the dems won in 2006. Why do you suppose that is? Shouldn’t they be upset that the dems won if they didn’t want U.S. troops to leave?
Then….?
I’m not sure what part of “live by the sword, die by the sword” you don’t understand, NC cop, re: “[X] are doing what the terrorists want.” It’s an identical ploy regardless of which side of the aisle it’s flung from.
Con man,
That’s a childish platitude. I guess police officers should just retire……….
Strange, it didn’t sound like you thought it was a “ploy”, you seemed to be quoting it as a reference point. Perhaps when you saw my link stating that Al Qaeda was happy when the dems won, it suddenly became a ploy. Interesting.
What part of “lying mass murderers” do you not understand?
Rep. Brian Baird, Democrat from Washington state, has written this extraordinary piece appearing in today’s Seattle Times.
Seven Iraq war vets and members of Vets for Freedom respond to the New York Times Seven, of the 82nd Airborne, whose op-ed column appeared in the paper this past Sunday. They respond in a terrific column for the Standard.
Excerpt from this post:
What?! The NY Times didn’t publish it?! I’m shocked!
Why wouldn’t they want to publish it? I mean, aren’t they supposed to present BOTH sides of an argument and report on it without bias?!
Oh man, I almost got through that with a straight face.
They are against us !!
They aid and comfort the enemy !!
They are Defeatocrats !!
They are traitors !!
I do question their patriotism !!
You bet I do….. I’ll always remember Hugh’s interview with the jerk who went with publishing the SWIFT program and his squirrelly answers.
OK. I’m outside taking a pick axe to a stump. You know… the job Americans won’t do…..
/putting down the mike
yawn.
Ahhhh the intellectual superiority in full effect on display here. Can’t discuss it so you dismiss it.
I know he was a good man Consistancy because Holy Scripture says that a good man will surrender his life for his friends. I know he was a good man Consistancy because this particular man, according to you, surrendered his life for his enemies. That is how I know he was a good man. As far as GW and 9/11, that was a question for you to answer about your opinions. But since you didn’t care to answer it when asked, I don’t really care what the answer is. I will assume what I need to know about you. – Lorica