Heartless: NC legislative panel debates costs of aborting babies versus saving them

Posted by: ST on May 19, 2011 at 5:23 pm

WRAL reports on an eye-popping “debate” that happened on a NC legislative panel today involving the costs associated with HB-854, a pro-life bill that would require counseling, ultrasounds, and a 24 hour waiting period before abortions are performed (via @StevenErtelt):

Raleigh, N.C. — North Carolina lawmakers debated Thursday about whether the projected costs for additional requirements before an abortion is performed are worth it.

House Bill 854 “Abortion–Women’s Right to Know,” sponsored by Republican Reps. Ruth Samuelson and Patricia McElraft, would require that doctors provide counseling, an ultrasound and a 24-hour waiting period before performing an abortion.

Legislative fiscal staff estimated the bill would result in nearly 2,900 more births a year, based on results from a similar law in Mississippi. Those births could cost the state approximately $7 million a year in Medicaid cost, staffers estimated.

Supporters of the bill said fewer abortions and more births are worth that cost.

“To me, it is incredible that we would even debate the idea that somehow we can improve the fiscal impact of this state by not allowing children to be born,” Rep. Burt Jones, an independent from Rockingham, said. “I’m a fiscal conservative, but if we’ve got to pay a little more money in this state because more children have the right to be born, then so be it.”

Opponents of the bill said it’s not necessary to force women making an emotional decision through a longer process.

“Most women have thought about having an abortion. It’s not something that I would think that they would take lightly,” Rep. Beverly Earle, D-Mecklenburg, said. “I think it’s a true insult to women to imply or say that they don’t know what they’re doing.”

This is your standard liberal feminist cop-out. The goal is to make people believe that pro-lifers consider women who are going to have an abortion ‘too stupid’ to know what’s going to happen when they go in for an abortion. It’s not really that pro-lifers consider women who are considering having an abortion ‘stupid’; it’s more along the lines of wanting to make sure she’s fully informed and not partially informed. And, to turn Ms. Earle’s argument around on her, if women “know what they’re doing” when they go in for an abortion, why the need to have counseling for it at all? Just go in, get it done, get it over with, and get back to life minus the little ‘inconvenience’ – right? No need for Planned Parenthood or any other abortion provider to waste their precious money on something women apparently already are fully informed about – correct?

Furthermore, if Ms. Earle really wanted to let loose on a group of people who treated women as if they were too stupid to know what they’re doing, then she should look no further than her fellow pro-aborts, who shamelessly try to “win” the debate on the public funding of “family planning clinics” on the grounds that poor women won’t have access to birth control if those clinics no longer get taxpayer money. Of course, she and other liberal feminists like her would never admit such truths because of the following inconvenient facts:

  1. Birth control is available over the counter at your local Walgreen’s and – for that matter – your local corner convenience store: It’s called condoms. Drug stores and convenience stores are in poor neighborhoods just like they are everywhere else.
  2. Eliminating taxpayer funding for these clinics would *not* mean the clinics would go broke. It would force the likes of Planned Parenthood to divvy up their funds differently, where ‘tough’ choices would have to be made and a balance would have to be modified when it comes how much money they devote to their non-abortion services versus how much they devote to “abortion care” (now, there’s an oxymoron if I’ve ever heard one!). In other words, Planned Parenthood, in order to provide “health services” for low income women, might have to decrease the amount of money spent on abortions and put more of that money into other services they provide.

This has been the argument conservatives have been making all along: That even though federal tax dollars can’t legally be used to pay for abortions, that tax money DOES free up the private money donated to the clinics for use in the termination of unborn children.

But why bother with pesky things like the facts when emotion-based, fact-challenged “pro-woman” rants like this one are so much easier?

How ironic it was that Rep. Earle, who clearly isn’t fully informed on the issue herself, was the one passionately arguing that women shouldn’t be treated as if they “don’t know what they are doing.” Can’t make this stuff up …

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12 Responses to “Heartless: NC legislative panel debates costs of aborting babies versus saving them”


  1. Carlos says:

    If human life has to be reduced to value in dollars, pro-lifers have already lost.

  2. Kate says:

    Unfortunately, that’s the way it looks Carlo…no, that’s the way it is to pro-abort folks…dollars over children.

    And Sistah is right….there are plenty of methods you can use besides abstinence that will keep you from getting pregnant and protect you from STDs too. And here I thought they were educating children about that issue…apparently the education system fails in this regard????

  3. Carlos says:

    “And here I thought they were educating children about that issue…apparently the education system fails in this regard????”

    There, fixed it for you, Kate.

  4. Al says:

    ST, love the blog. Nothing like a southern take on the world. I try to get my friends what a southern democrat is. Conservative but not in the republican sense. We focus on the person but support responsibility. In any event. Thanks and keep up the good work. BTW…would like a button to click on to make sharing on FB that much easier!

  5. Sada says:

    Excellent post. As the Apostle Paul pointed out, “the love of money is the root of all evil.” Over 20 years ago, a friend was informed by the OB/GYN at her HMO that she was pregnant with her fourth child. The nurse on the phone said, “Your pregnancy test came back positive. Do you want to schedule a termination?” CLEARLY, it would be much cheaper for the HMO to pay for an abortion than for obstetric care, followed by labor and delivery plus 18 years of pediatric care for her child. My question is, will there be pressure on doctors to recommend abortion to patients, once we move to a government-run health-care system?

  6. captaingrumpy says:

    As soon as a woman says”it’s an insult to women”, you know she is going to BS as a Female does.If she does not agree with it,then its an insult. The only insult is that they think they know what every womanm wants or thinks.

  7. Carlos says:

    Sada, eventually we’ll end up with an abortion mandate similar to that in communist China, that couples can have only one child.

    You can see that one coming down the road for miles, can’t you? That’s why it’s so important to get rid of the statists now, before they can do any more irreparable damage.

  8. JustPlainBill says:

    Well, if we are going to boil it all down to dollars, why don’t we just get rid of the Legislators. After all, they cost us money every time they meet.
    How absurd of them to equate saving of money to life.

  9. Carlos says:

    Up until this year Oregon had a legislature that met every other year, but the idiots here voted to have them convene yearly “to save money”!

    What does it take to get a liberal idiot to see that it’s WHEN the legislature is in session that we’re all robbed blind?

    Talk about stinkin’ thinkin’!

  10. Jim McDonald says:

    So, there really are ‘death panels’…

    N.Carolina is looking at this all wrong. Since there are so many people in this country that want Children, and for one reason or another can’t have their own, this could be a money maker if the state charged money for adoptions!

  11. Kate says:

    That makes too much sense Jim and I can hear folks shouting….the government is in the baby business!!! What a country!?!?!?