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Audacity of Truth
"Change" You Can Believe In:
"Nixon didn’t try to do that. They couldn't control (the media). They didn’t try. [...] What the hell do they think we are, puppets?"
- Liberal opinion writer Helen Thomas, describing the Obama admin's penchant for heavily scripting public appearances & press conferences - 7/1/09
The undermining of this war
Maybe it’s because I’m feeling a bit on edge tonight, but I’m sitting here thinking about how much undermining of the war has gone on by the bogus accusations of ‘lies’ by Democrats in Congress and it makes me sick. I just cannot get over how so many of them are working to turn this into Vietnam in terms of the war being fought on two fronts – both abroad and in the press. Anti-war sentiment and negative press DID have an effect on the Vietnam war in terms of support … and the same crap is happening all over again.
It fascinates the he** out of me that so many Dems in Washington can say “we’re doing our patriotic duty by expressing dissent” … hogwash. As if dissenting is the only way to be patriotic. It also amazes me that they like to claim that their ‘dissent’ doesn’t hurt troop morale and embolden the enemy – yet another lesson they DID NOT LEARN from Vietnam. I mean, think about it: for example, let’s say the president of the company you work for has assigned a team of employees for a specific long term project. Several of the board members begrudgingly go along with the plan while privately expressing reservations as to if it is even necessary to each other. Over the course of time, when the long term project isn’t going so well, they start to repeatedly say “it can’t be done” or “we need to scrap this project and have these employees get back to their normal responsibilities.” After a while, those negative comments are going to have effect on morale and the people involved in the project are going to get uptight and edgy – and probably mad, too. It’s human nature. I have no doubt that it’s the same for many of our men and women fighting – they see people here fighting at home over the very reasons they were sent to Iraq in the first place, Democrats lying in speeches on the House and Senate floor about being ‘lied to’ and eventually it can and will affect morale.
When we win this war – and we will – it will be in spite of the incessant whining coming from the mouths of the Democratic liars in Congress and their cohorts in the MSM.
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Brian,
Your dissent is the empty Bush is wrong, I want to cut, run, and hide under my bed meme that is juvenile and senseless. Look at what is going on and stop only taking Bush Haters in the MSM as Gospel. They are as partisan as you are, which is very partisan.
Brian Yes they all fought hard. Your article only proves what I was saying, your rebuttal does not in any way disprove what I am saying or inspires me to change my thinking. This extreme dissent from the left, is per people I have talked to that have been there, IN IRAQ, only hurting morale, and they feel it is encouraging our enemies. It is stupid thinking at best for a Senator of the United States of America to go to the extreme as some of these fools have. Accountability is one thing, but name calling is a wholely wrong in these times.
As far as Afganistan goes, PULEASE, the US funneled MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of dollars into the rebels there. Stinger missles just dont grow on trees in Afganistan. Again your argument is lacking logic. Nothing fights harder than a person on there home territory, that goes for Afgans or Germans or Japanese. But what about the Italians. They surrendered almost immediately. Also wasn’t it the German High Command that tried to Blow Hitler up in his bunker, so they could surrender to the Americans??? Yes some fighting will there. Japanese are much like our enemy now, religiously motivated. I do not feel I stand corrected in any way. – Lorica
Thank you for the link Brian, I was able to read it just now. It was a very interesting article. Showing the life of a wonderful man, and obviously an excellent soldier. I tend to wonder the context of the “hell hole” comment tho. Since it is quoted on it’s own I only have the writers word on it’s intended meaning. Also the paragraph below that does not nessarily back up the “hell hole” comment. He could of been talking about war in general in one, and about leadership of the National Guard in the other. Not that I am presuming to know what he meant, but the writer of the article seems to be leading us to where she wanted us to go. I will not disagree that Iraq is a hell hole, but so is all war. I consider it a great shame that evil in this world forces us to take up arms against it. Here is a quote from the article that was made just prior to Spc Kulick’s death.
“I think that the world is a much better place without Saddam,” he wrote on Aug. 4 to Michael Tremoglie, a Whitpain resident who corresponded with Kulick. “Someone needs to be the Police in this world and the only superpower is us. The 1800 soldiers did not die in vain, and the war was justified. It’s sad but I think the American people forget their feelings they had after 911.”
Which is exactly why I believe that the writer of the article took comments out of context. Sorry Brian, but this again does not prove your point and does lend credibilty to our belief that the MSM is ignoble in there writing. You see Brian Spc. Kulick said himself that he believed the war was justified. God Bless him for eternity, and May God Himself comfort those that Spc. Kulick left behind in this world. Always – Lorica
PCD,
I never said anything about cutting and running. What I am opposed to is the poor leadership our troops have been given. There has been one bad decision after another made by the president ever since the decision was made to go to war. I don’t know how you are unable to see this.
Lorica,
In 1990-1991 there was a great deal of opposition to going to war against Iraq. In spite of the strong opposition and protests against the war, the United States and our allies won a decisive victory against Iraq in a few months. The anti-war protests had little effect on our troops or the outcome of the war.
The reason why things are going badly in Iraq today is because of the many mistakes that have been made over the past two years, not because there are people in the United States that are opposed to the war.
The same thing you said about Afghanistan can be said about Vietnam. The Soviet Union funneled millions upon millions of dollars to the North Vietnamese and Vietcong. They also provided the North Vietnamese with advanced anti-aircraft guns and missiles.
In World War II, a few German generals didn’t represent the entire people. The German troops on the ground fought very hard right until the very end. I’m sure there are also many Iraqis on the ground in Iraq that will continue fighting against the American troops until they’re no longer there, regardless of what public opinion of the war is in this country.
I’m glad you got a chance to read the article. I also thought it was very interesting. I never said anything about whether or not the war was justified. I agree that the world is a much better place without Saddam. What I am opposed to is the way the war was planned and has been carried out. If things had been done right, Spc. Kulick, and a lot of other good men, might be alive today that aren’t. There is no reason why our soldiers should risk their lives to sweep a town, only to have insurgents return a few days later and there is no reason why foreign fighters should be able to easily slip through unsecured borders as Spc. Kulick said in the article.
Thank you Lorica for sharing your wisdom.
Brian wrote, “In 1990-1991 there was a great deal of opposition to going to war against Iraq.”
Yep. Mostly Democrats opposed to Pres Bush senior. Isn’t the pattern funny.
Brian wrote, “The anti-war protests had little effect on our troops or the outcome of the war.”
Thank goodness we were only freeing a country who had a functioning government and didn’t have to establish everything like Japan and Germany did after WW2 and Iraq did after Iraqi Freedom! We were able to kick butt and go! Next invalid criticism….
Brian wrote, “I agree that the world is a much better place without Saddam. What I am opposed to is the way the war was planned and has been carried out.
Thanks for making a point to agree to the obvious that many Democrats can’t come to say… that is that the world is a much better place without Saddam. . If you have a problem with the way the war was planned and has been carried out then level your criticism against the Pentagon because NO president plans wars and carries them out. They simply choose from the many plans that are presented by the Pentagon to the President. I assumed you knew that and that has made an — out of me.
I’ll have to now make sure you know that in the next 50 posts because your INCORRECT accusations are just that… INCORRECT.
We’ll be glad to have you on board for the war and FOR the U.S. finishing the job!
Brian, you are a liar. You want nothing done. You don’t think logicly and I doubt you do other than listen with your mouth flapping at full speed.
Thank You very much Bak. I will defer to your arguments to Brian, as they are a reflection of what I would of said. Thank You again.
Brian it is good to have you on board. To help you get the correct information and to help you know properly who you need to discuss this stuff with I am providing a line that will do just that. It is one of my personal favs as it helps me understand this war and several others.
http://www.army.mil/
Lots of good info there Brian, and Eye Witness accounts of stuff that is going on.
Lorica, Brian won’t read a thing there. In his biased mind, there is nothing factual thera. It is not like Daily Krap, the America Hating MSM (especially CNN) or Democrat Underground as a source of facts and news that Brian will accept.
Brian,
If you have a problem with the way the war was planned and has been carried out then level your criticism against the Pentagon because NO president plans wars and carries them out. The presidents simply choose from the many plans that are presented by the Pentagon to the President.
Just making sure you know this because you wrote, “What I am opposed to is the way the war was planned and has been carried out
Ohhh Brian, call me an eternal opptimist but I believe that people are curious by nature, and that truth is more powerful than deception. “I once was blind, but now I see”. I have only ever heard of 1 true atheist, everyone I have ever met came to know The Lord the closer they came to the end of their lives. Every One!!!
It matters little to me whether Brian does or does not believe what is on that website. I know the truth, and I know that we are doing the right thing. I cannot sit here on Monday morning and critize Brett Farve when I was not even in Wisconsin on Sunday. LOL
Peace – Lorica