Dems set to pander in tonight’s South Carolina debate (LIVEBLOGGING – UPDATE: “CAPTION THIS” ADDED)

Posted by: ST on April 26, 2007 at 6:59 pm

AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite
ELECTION 2008: The Democratic Candidates Debate – 4/26/07

(Keep refreshing this post as I will be liveblogging the debate)

CBS predicts that Iraq will be the issue which dominates tonight’s debate in Orangeburg, SC at SC State University.

Did you get a chance to submit your questions for the candidates via MSNBC? ;)

The debate starts at 7 pm tonight and will be broadcast on MSNBC.

Not near a TV? You can watch the video here (you’ll have to watch a 15 second ad first). I’ll watch as much as I can, but I have a hard time sitting through anything that includes John Edwards, the ultimate actor-politician.

Update I: Every candidate so far has essentially said “we need to get out now.” Shocker! Bill Richardson said that if he had been in Congress he’d call for ALL troops to be out by the end of this year.

Update II: Obama “We are one vote away from this war being over.” Is talking about trying to write a bill that would be veto-proof.

Update III: Senator Clinton lies by saying that the President hasn’t “changed course” and that there has been “no progress in Iraq.”

I like Brian Williams as moderator, BTW.

Update IV: John Edwards in response to haircut question: “I’ve not forgotten where I come from.” Plays the “I’m from SC” card. Gag. He’s addressing the hedge fund issue I blogged about yesterday.

Update V: Brian Williams is asking questions like a Fox News questioner. GO BRIAN ;) Just asked Governor Richardson about his statement about Alberto Gonzales where he said he was making up his mind about Gonzales and had a hard time doing so because Gonzales was Hispanic.

Update VI: Williams asked Dodd about how he could complain about the culture of corruption yet take tons of money from lobbyists. He’s not really answering the question.

Update 7: Kucinich said the campaign was like “American Idol” – LOL.

Update 8: Senator Biden answes a simple “yes” to Williams’ question about whether or not he can assure the American people he’ll be, essentially, gaffe-proof.

Update 9: (Former) Senator Gravel (D-Alaska) is flipping out over the stances of the other candidates on Iraq. He’s very animated.

Update 10: Williams is questioning Edwards on abortion, specifically PBA. Thinks the Justices were being activist in their decision on PBA.

Obama says abortion decisions aren’t made “casually.”

Senator Joe Biden says there is a ‘right to privacy’ in the Constitution. Strongly supports Roe. v. Wade. Says the PBA decision was “intellectually dishonest.” What about the global warming decision, Senator? Or the Gitmo decision? The Phillip Morris verdict?

Update 11: Ginsburg to several Dems is a ‘model’ USSC justice.

Update 12: Clinton has asserted that the VTech killer Cho was “involuntarily” committed – I didn’t think that had happened. Can someone help me out with that?

Update 13: Senator Edwards is explaining why he wants to raise taxes to pay for his healthcare plan. He will, of course, raise them on the rich.

Update 14: Obama is another who wants nationalized healthcare.

Update 15: Senator Biden is being asked why Democrats are in SC when the NAACP is boycotting the state. Biden says this is the chance for SC to show off its strength. Obama is saying that this debate gives voters opportunties to see who the candidates are.

Update 16: Question asked: what’s your worst political move and what did you learn from it? Kucinich said he fired the mayor of Cleveland on the evening news. Obama said he regrets leaving the Senate when the Schiavo bill was being debated. Biden: Overestimating the competence of the admin and underestimating their arrogance. Edwards: The vote on the war. Hillary: Healthcare in the 90s, believing the admin on WMD. Bill Richardson: Changing his state ‘too rapidly’ (whatever that means).

Update 17: Immigration reforum. Hillary: “In favor of comprehensive immigration reform.”

Update 18: John Edwards goes green, says Americans should be ‘patriotic’ about something ‘other than war.’

Update 19: What’s the first thing you want to accomplish on your first day in WH? Richardson: First day would get us out of Iraq. Second day, would make us ‘energy independent’.

Update 20: Final half hour is getting ready to roll.

Senator O: Three most important allies are the EU, NATO, the “East.”

What about Israel? Williams brings up his comment about the Palestinian people and how Obama said ‘no one has suffered more than’ – Obama is trying to weasel out of that comment.

Update 21: Biggest threat to US, per Biden: North Korea, Iran, Putin in Russia. Says we need to ‘talk’ to people rather than consider ‘regime change.’ Lies about Iraq and whether or not they gave up their WMD prior to us invading. Senator Gravel said ‘we have no enemies’ – we need to start treating all countries as equal. Says the military ‘controls’ our culture.

John Edwards on Russia: The gov’t has been ‘centralized’, opposition ‘squashed.’

Biden: Wants Russia to control their nukes. Wants Russia to be a ‘stable source of energy’ for the US.

Biden brings up Darfur and wonders why we aren’t doing anything.

Williams asks Clinton about Giuliani’s comments on Democrats taking us to a pre-9/11 mentalit if one is elected President. Hillary is presenting herself as an ‘ignored savior’ of the country with ‘national security prroposals that have been ignored.’ Says administration has ‘hyped the fear’ we face.

Dodd gets same question: It’s a ‘myth’ that Democrats are weak on national security. “Stateless terrorism” is a ‘multi-national’ problem and so is the absence of diplomacy. Doesn’t really answer Williams’ question.

Question: Do you believe there is a global war on terror? Four candidates raised their hands. Hillary Clinton was one, Dodd was another, Richardson was another and I think Obama did, too.

Update 22: Hillary was wrong on the involuntary committment comment re: Cho.

Update 23: Obama is talking about how he would handle a potential future threat and change our ‘military presence’ overseas. Would deal with international community – basically takes the Kerry position.

Update 24: Edwards “we have more tools available than just bombs.”

Clinton: More whining about diverting attention to Iraq. Must focus on those who do threaten us rather than those who don’t. Does that mean Darfur is off the table?

Brian Williams asks for a show of hands on who would vote to impeach Cheney. I didn’t see the show of hands (I was typing!). Kucinich just took out his copy of the Constitution and is pushing his plan to impeach Cheney. Is chastizing other candidates about it, which probably means not many – if any – raised their hand to the question.

Update 25: Dodd doesn’t support same sex marriage but supports civil unions.

Update 26: Questions coming up on environment. Obama organized volunteers to plant 1,000 trees. Awww.

Update 27: Kucinich took Obama to task for his ‘all options are on the table’ comment re: Iran. Obama is rebutting Kucinich now saying Iran is indeed a threat-Kucinich is saying it IS disputed as to whether or not Iran is arming itself with nukes. This has been the only real interaction between the candidates throughout the debate.

Update 28: Gravel says it’s the US’ fault that Iran is arming itself, and the US is violating the nuclear prolif. agreement (this dude is the biggest moral relativist on the panel).

Update 29: Edwards has trouble answering the question of ‘who is your moral leader.’ Took him ten seconds to say he wasn’t sure who his moral leader was before saying “God, my wife, my dad.” He should have just said “myself.”

Update 30: Clinton’s developing a slight southern accent talking about Walmart and living in Arkansas. Says Walmart is a ‘mixed blessing’ and that the poor and middle class are ignored by the administration.

Update 31: Williams asks Biden if his party will become extinct if the Dems lose in the presidential election. Biden says no, that there are a bunch of winners on that stage. Also says Darfur is necessary.

Update 35: Debate is over. Republican debate will be next Thursday.

Update 36: My initial impressions are that political junkies learned nothing new tonight from the debate, outside of getting to know Gravel a lot better – LOL. There wasn’t a lot of interaction between the candidates and I think that’s the way Williams and co. wanted it. A lot of the responses were canned, but made for good soundbites for Democrats who are still undecided. I really can’t get over the length of time it took John Edwards to answer the question about who he considered to be his moral leader. Just proves what a pompous self-important twit he is. I really do believe if he were to answer it honestly he’d say “you’re looking at him.”

Update 37: PERFECT “caption this” picture:


Photo courtesy: AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite

Update 38: Guess how was throwing the race-card tonight re: the VTech massacre before the debates started? Via Drudge:

Update 39: The AP has a recap of the debate here.

Update 40: Jim Geraghty:

I love having Gravel and Kucinch there. It’s like the two drunks at the party. Before the end, Gravel is going to take a swing at whoever’s at the next podium.

He liveblogged the debate, too. Go here and scroll for his play by play and commentary.

Update 41: The Associated Press reports how the Dem candidates were transported to the debates: via private jets:

No one jet pooled, no one took commercial flights to save money, fuel or emissions.

Update 42: Local Charlotte station WCNC has posted a transcript of the debate, the first one I’ve seen. Way to go, CNC! :) They’ve also got some video clips, too.

Update 43: Gravel-mania hits the leftosphere!

Fri AM Update: Mega-list of news and blog links on last night’s debate can be seen via Memeorandum.

A SurveyUSA poll showed Obama as the ‘clear winner’ in the debate at 31%, with Hillary at 24%.

Here’s video of one of the more humorous moments of the night – a one word answer from Biden to a question from Brian Williams about his “verbosity” (h/t Allah):

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    Comments

    1. sanity says:

      Update 7: Kucinich said the campaign was like “American Idol” – LOL.

      So who is sunjaya? lol

    2. steveegg says:

      Re: update 12 – If memory serves, Cho’s scheduled trip to the looney bin was not mandatory. That’s why it never twigged the background checks.

      You mean that charlatan debate was tonight? I wonder if they’ll use my question. Probably not considering I all-but-accused them of treason.

    3. steveegg says:

      All of them, sanity.

    4. steveegg says:

      Update 24: Edwards “we have more tools available than just bombs.”

      Yeah; 5.56mm, .50 caliber, 40mm. Of course, Breck Girl doesn’t have the balls to use any of that.

    5. Viper1 says:

      If any one of these morons gets into the big seat we are in more trouble than can possibly be predicted..

    6. steveegg says:

      Update 22: Hillary was wrong on the involuntary committment comment re: Cho.

      I’ve got a better memory than Hiliary, I meet all the Constitutional requirements, and I’m to the right of anybody running. I wonder if I should declare </sarcasm?>

    7. NC Cop says:

      Clinton has alot of nerve talking about Iraq distracting us. We might not even be in Iraq had her husband, slick willie, not been “distracted” from going after Bin Laden.

      but I guess that’s ok.

    8. Viper1 says:

      Oh god, war for oil… puhleeeze..

    9. steveegg says:

      If any one of these morons gets into the big seat we are in more trouble than can possibly be predicted..

      Comment by Viper1 @ 4/26/2007 – 8:22 pm

      Try me; I’m predicting a lack of America by 2012 if any of these morons (I would say Gorons, but I’m certain a couple of these loons voted for Nader in 2000) were to occupy the Oval Office.

    10. Viper1 says:

      Awww, we scared the buhjeesus out of Iran, who gives a crap, they deserve it

    11. steveegg says:

      Breck Girl completely lost when asked who he considers his moral leader.

      I’m shocked, SHOCKED!

    12. sanity says:

      Update 24: Edwards “we have more tools available than just bombs.”

      Breck Girls tools….

      – hairspray
      – gel
      – hair dryer
      – stylist

      Forget the bombs and bullets – He will style and give them make-overs till they give in…..

      Osama give in, or you will get a perm for your beard next!!!

    13. Viper1 says:

      Try me; I’m predicting a lack of America by 2012 if any of these morons (I would say Gorons, but I’m certain a couple of these loons voted for Nader in 2000) were to occupy the Oval Office.

      Comment by steveegg @ 4/26/2007 – 8:25 pm

      Yup, I can see that..

    14. steveegg says:

      Did anyone set up a drinking game for this? If so, I hope they didn’t include a mandatory drink when the Gorons bash Bush.

    15. Jim says:

      Moral authority? :(( What is this FOX?

    16. steveegg says:

      Update 30: Clinton’s developing a slight southern accent talking about Walmart and living in Arkansas.

      Today’s “Day by Day” is perfect.

    17. Mark says:

      Anyone else notice how Edwards struggled to come up with people who are his moral leaders? I guess naming trial lawyers wouldn’t have polled very well…

    18. NC Cop says:

      What is this FOX?

      Of course not Jim, these cowards who say they would talk to Iran and Syria, don’t have the guts to talk to Fox. How telling.

    19. Drewsmom says:

      I watched it off and on but could’t stomach all since I had just eaten dinner.
      None of these fools were standouts. They were so NICE to each other but I guess the real dirty stuff takes place in the debates closer to the primaries.
      Big eared dennis was his usual predictable self wanting to gather everyone and sing around the campfire and the guy from Alaska was a big time anti-war guy and did critize the other hipocrites on the stage. Even the star, obama was a dud if you ask me.
      I agree with the above that if any of these clowns get in we are doomed. !!!!!!

    20. Eric says:

      PERFECT “caption this” picture:

      “Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama agree that universal healthcare could have fixed his ears.”

    21. steveegg says:

      Pic cap –

      Barak Bin Laden plants a “Kick me” sign on Hiliary’s back as Hiliary looks to take a bite out of Barak’s neck.

    22. LOL steve – yeah, it does kinda look like that, doesn’t it? :)

      Mark: Yes, I made special mention of the moral leaders question in my liveblogging. I shouldn’t really be surprised that it was so difficult for him to come up with an answer that didn’t sound arrogant.

    23. steveegg says:

      Update 41: The Associated Press reports how the Dem candidates were transported to the debates: via private jets:

      No one jet pooled, no one took commercial flights to save money, fuel or emissions.

      But they all bought carbon offsets from Algore Goracle’s company.

    24. rudytbone says:

      Pic Caption

      Why yes Obama, mine is larger than yours!!

    25. forest hunter says:

      Why do I keep hearing a song by Mary Chapin Carpenter – The bug, running non-stop?

    26. CZ says:

      Oh hell….guess I missed THE debate….do any of those democrat jokers still suport The Men And Women OF The U.S Military in any way at all??? please fill me in later….oh well….I’m still busy figuring the inventory of how many toilet rolls we used up in the past two days here at the country bunker…ooofff…HEY NOW…GALICK!….BAM! wwhhhooopsss!…<:-p

    27. Lorica says:

      Drudge is reporting that all of these people either took charter flights or private jets to this event.

      Lowlife pukes

    28. forest hunter says:

      I just played the video and for anyone who’s ever taught or spoken to large groups of young kids……………..The opening portion is absolutely no different than when one asks them a question like, Do you know who Barney is?(children in unison) YEAH!!!… and did you know that Barney is purple? (children in unison) YEAH!!!

      Dis be Chris hardball Matthews reporting live from Nawlins! I’m sorry we have to go to commercial break and I have to report in to my day job at Barkum and Giggly, but before I leave, I must remind you all to get behind a beautiful blond story and vote for anything, to keep President Bush from winning another term as CIC. OK kids? YEAH!!!

      Edit tours R US TYnk.

    29. Leslie says:

      S.T.

      You are hereby awarded the late humorist Jean Shepherd’s “brass figligee with bronze oakleaf cluster” for not only enduring the debate but also blogging about it.

      As with the Washington Post’s Reporter Who Covers Television Lisa de Moraes, who blogs “Idol” for us all,

      S.T. watches . . . so we don’t have to.

      Oh, and by the way: Is there really a candidate called Gravel, or did you make that part up to see if we were paying attention?

      ;)