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Confederate Yankee has the details. In summary, he writes:
Let’s look at that once more: “members of Thomas’ platoon and company were all interviewed and no one could substantiate his claims.”
Presumably thorough, in-person interviews of all of Alpha Company, 1/18 Infantry, Second Brigade Combat Team, First Infantry Division, and Beauchamp’s platoon within Alpha Company by military investigators, and not one of those soldiers could confirm Beauchamp’s stories as told in The New Republic.
Note that the investigation didn’t just stop by stating that the claims were uncorroborated; Col. Boylan states categorically that Beauchamp’s allegations were false. Not a lot of wiggle room there.
It appears that the proverbial ball is now in The New Republic’s court. It will be interesting to see what their next move will be.
Lawhawk writes:
TNR has a lot more to worry about since they claim to have substantiated matters with a bunch of anonymous sources. If they want to stand by the story, they’re going to have to do more than provide anonymous sources. They’re going to have to name names – who supposedly corroborated these stories for them and how did they come by such knowledge. How is it that TNR was able to obtain this information and the US Army, who interviewed members of Beauchamp’s unit, was not.
They’re now on vacation, which doesn’t make this any easier for them. Perhaps hoping that things will blow over in the interim will not make this go away either. ScottScam is a stain on the publication, one on par with the Stephen Glass incident. They should have known better and it will be interesting to see how they respond to the latest email from the US Army on the matter.
Franklin Foer, editor of TNR, has stood by this story, knowing full well that the facts were running against him. He’s claimed that the magazine had vetted the story before publication and its reexamination of the story found corroboration other than the relocation of the dining hall incident from Iraq’s FOB Falcon to Kuwait’s Camp Buehring, a not insignificant matter, even though it was passed off as such.
Yep.
TNR’s credibility was seriously in question already. This revelation damages it even more in the eyes of people who are more interested in truth. Those who are only interested in being told only what they want to hear about our military in Iraq – even if what they’re being told is an outright lie – will remain defiant and outright indignant even in the face of the obvious deception that has been perpetrated by TNR. Once more, I’ll ask:
If conservatives and members of the military are so awful, why do liberals continually have to either make up or at the very least embellish stories about them? I mean, shouldn’t the material they have on us be so voluminous that there’d be no reason to make up or embellish stories?
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Well part of the problem ST is that anyone that voices dissent towards how and why this nation even wound up invading Iraq in the first place gets smeared as being soft on the war against terror. It is truly amazing just how skilled the G.O.P. spin machine is as effective as they are but yet their rheortic rarely meets reality. Before I continue I would like to add that sensatiolism sells. See since March 03 about 2 million Iraqi’s have become refugees,tens if not hundreds of thousands of civilians have been killed and an inefficent,unaccountable,untrustworthy and basically corrupt Iraqi government has been formed. I always find it curious why for example that for years as Iraq was developing into civil war members of the 43 Admin at the highest levels Cheney,Rummy,etc were almost dismissive of the insurgency prattling off cliches like dead-enders or die hard baathists? Yet amazingly enough when us Dems win the House and Senate(as I correctly predicted I might add) all of a sudden a troop surge was ordered and once again when us Dems dissent we’re labeled as defeatocrats? This nation would be better off to slowly and gradually get out of Iraq. The strain this conflict has placed on our servicemembers and their families is just not right. It just gets old that right-wing blogs and media outlets like FOX smear anyone who just don’t believe what’s going on in the sandbox is the correct cours of action.
tommy, none of that addresses the fact that TNR made a serious error in judgement as it relates to the faux stories of “Scott Thomas” – would you like to address that?
ST, expect silence from Tommy. He’s just a propagandist for the NY Democrat party.
I’m trying to get into the Town Hall Rudy is giving here tonight.
I’ll see what Rudy has to say about the false stories the MSM has been pushing on the public to create a false opinion on the war on terror.
Well ST I think TNR probably knew most of the story this soldier was giving them was BS but they probably ran it anyway for this simple reason of bad publicity is better than no publicity
Well not quite Tommy. Just ask Bill Mauher or Dan Rather biased. – Lorica
tommy wrote, “we’re labeled as defeatocrats?
When pressed Democrats will say, “we can’t win” and offer ’solutions’ such as “re-deployment”.
Why is “defeat” the wrong word then tommy? Do Democrats want to win in general?
tommy wrote, “Well ST I think TNR probably knew most of the story this soldier was giving them was BS”
Just like Newsweek knew the global warming denier hit piece was BS? Just like 100’s of “news” pieces are BS. Yet the tommy’s of the world eat it up and thrive on the negativity instead of looking for:
1) Winning in Iraq and responsibly leaving a country where millions weren’t killed in a humanitarian crisis like Vietnam
2) Continuing prosperity of America and helping other countries through our generosity with the economic system of capitalism
3) Fixing Social Security with a better system.
All of these things that you’ve commented on in the negative because you’ve bought the BS crap from the dominant legacy drive-by media for a generation and won’t open your mind up towards the positive virtues of what conservatives are saying. You can CHOOSE to thrive on negativity the rest of your life or CHOOSE to try to figure out what it is we are saying and get behind our efforts REALIZING that they are noble and GOOD efforts.
TNR ran it because it agreed with their pre-existing biases and fit the propaganda they wanted to push. It was, to their view, possibly fake but “accurate” in that it supported what they wanted to believe about both our troops and Iraq. Which says a lot about TNR, and none of it good. Add to that the way they dodged and obfuscated when cornered on this, and their “we’d love to comment but we’re on vacation” dodge, and it’s a dishonorable, wretched affair, but unfortunately not surprising, the left loves this kind of fake but accurate BS. I would note that every conservative blogger I’ve seen who made a mistake has publicly, and quickly, acknowledged it and made a correction. Check out how our own Sister here, and Michelle Malkin, for examples, have handled such things for a good example of how it’s supposed to be done.
Tommy managed to put out a large, long post that addressed absolutely nothing relevant to the topic at hand, which is the traditional liberal dodge. Go off topic early and sling a ton of excrement in the hope that some of it will stick and drive the discussion in another direction. Shame on you tommy. You know you won’t get away with that here, I thought you were beginning to understand how things work, at least in this forum.
Come on guys don’t be so hard on Tommy. You all know that Karl Rove was paying this guy to get into contact with TNR and fool ‘em. He is doing it to throw off attention from his affair with Monica…errr I mean his relationship with a mobster in Chicago….errr I mean his relationship with an adultrous husband….errr I mean, Ohhh Heck you all know what I mean. – Lorica
You know maybe I should start getting stoned again before I start conversing with membners of the right-wing.BTW it’s been almost 3 months since I last did. Alright TNR should have never even printed to story. Fair enough. I should’ve picked a different topic or thread too pop off on the 43 Admin. In other words what I’m saying is I fouled up.It would certainly be refreshing to this left leaning Democract to actually hear that from the right-wing but what Severian said about throwing excrement hoping it’ll stick when everything I said off topic was in a word truthful doesn’t encourage me much.
Stop it, tommy. It’s good to know that you’ve stopped gettig high and I strongly caution you against trying to find excuses to going back to doing it again. Trust me, I’ve been tempted to get high a few times myself after reading some of the crap that comes from the far left, but so far I’ve been able to resist
3 months since you got high Tommy? or 3 months since you conversed with the right wing?
Tommy, if you meant three months since you got high, I’m glad for you. Stick with it.
I’m proud of you, tommy. I’d be even more proud if you finally realized the error of your political ways and became a conservative
Apparently there is a completely different reason for your thought process then.