Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick: One more liberal Democrat who just doesn’t get it

Posted by: ST on September 12, 2007 at 12:58 am

As you know, all across America and many countries around the world yesterday, tributes were paid to the victims of 9-11. For those of us whose memories of 9-11 are as fresh in our minds today as if the attacks just happened – and who also understood on that day six years ago that in response to terrorists using our own commercial airliners against us in acts of cruel, vicious savagery against 3,000 innocents done in the name of “Allah,” America was going to have to respond in a way that would make it very clear to Islamofascists around the world that we weren’t going to take it lying down – every day is 9-11 remembrance day, and each day we not only pause to reflect on what happened but also to consider how far we’ve come as well as speculate on how far we have to go.

But Democrats like Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick haven’t come very far since 9-11. In fact, Democrats like Deval Patrick are still stuck in the pre-9/11 mentality, a mentality that suggests that had we just been able to “get along” with Islamofascists, maybe we wouldn’t have been attacked. Via the Boston Globe (emphasis added):

As fog shrouded the State House steps, Governor Deval Patrick led a solemn ceremony this morning to mark the sixth anniversary of Sept. 11, calling the terrorist attacks of 2001 “a failure of human understanding.”

The Boston Herald has a more detailed quote in their piece condemning Patrick’s remarks:

“Among many other things, 9/11 was a failure of human understanding” Patrick said. “It was a mean and nasty and bitter attack on the United States. But it was also a failure of human beings to understand each other, to learn to love each other.”

Huh? You mean to tell me that if I could have learned to “understand” and “love” Islamofascists like Mohammed Atta, that maybe the US could have been spared the “mean and nasty and bitter attack” that took place six years ago, Governor?

How about trying this on for size, Governor Patrick: People who misunderstand each other don’t typically take their frustrations out by hijacking airplanes full of innocent people and slamming those planes into buildings full of innocent people. People who are merely interested in wanting to be “loved” don’t typically spend years plotting, strategizing, and learning how to fly but not land planes in order to “earn” that “love.” People who misunderstand each other might get mad out of frustration, but they either end up being able to come to an understanding with the other person, or they simply walk away. By the same token, it is a widely accepted practice here in the US for people to earn the love of others the old-fashioned way, and it is unacceptable – in fact, criminal – in this country, to try and go about try to gain someone’s love via force.

I mean, how hard can this be to figure out? For clueless, ignorant liberals like Deval Patrick, apparently it’s extremely difficult, because the blame-America-first mindset (not to mention the moral relativism) that is taught in Liberalism 101 is obviously so deeply embedded into their minds that they can’t see any other possible explanation for why 19 terrorist thugs would attack us on 9-11.

I guess it’s so much easier for him, and others who think like him, to stick and keep their heads deep in the sand rather than to actually – gasp! – confront Islamofascism and call it for what it is, as well acknowledge that its roots go back much, much further than September 11, 2001.

But to do that, pre-9/11 Democrats like Patrick would have to 1) actually stand for something other than America’s defeat, and 2) go on record as admitting that the 9-11 attacks had nothing to do with any US “misunderstanding” nor any desire by Islamofascists to be “loved” and everything to do with Islam’s history of trying to force into submission, by any means necessary, freedom-loving people who don’t and never will adhere to Islam.

The only “misunderstanding” here is Patrick’s. He “misunderstood’ the message delivered to us so brutally one Tuesday morning six years ago. Thankfully, we had someone in the Oval Office who did understand that message, and who – in spite the mistakes he’s made in the global war on terror (and there have been many) – had and still has no doubt in his mind about whose fault 9-11 really is, and has made clear that the US, at least under his watch, will not submit to it. He knows the US has battled many enemies, and won, and realizes the only way the US will win this battle is to take the fight to the enemy, and, of course, never, ever surrender to it.

Related: My French friend The Dissident Frogman has written an excellent post on the history of good prevailing over evil in the context of the west routinely defeating enemies of freedom. Consider it a must-read.

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    1. dunkenstein says:

      As fog shrouded the State House steps, Governor Deval Patrick led a solemn ceremony this morning to mark the sixth anniversary of Sept. 11, calling the terrorist attacks of 2001 “a failure of human understanding.”>>

      The fog didn`t only shroud the state house steps. The fog also shrouded his brain.

      Spineless, blowin with the wind lemming who will lead all of us off the cliff if we let them.

    2. Leslie says:

      A couple of days ago in a Bin Laden video thread, I noted that sooner or later, everybody turns into a self-parody. Governor Patrick is the quintessential self-parodist of the “we need to look at the root causes” mindset.

      As Commentator Dunkenstein has observed “The fog didn`t only shroud the state house steps. The fog also shrouded his brain.”

      ST suggests that the governor and his ilk need to “actually stand for something other than America’s defeat”; she’s right. Of course (and maybe this is more important), they would have to stand for something at all.

    3. NotChris says:

      I actually think this is the first intelligent statement a politician has made in quite sometime. The reason for wars and violence is the lack of understanding of each other’s opinions and differences. The heads of the terrorist groups are feeding garbage to people in the terrorist training camps about how sinful our lifestyles are over here. They DO misunderstand us. The people are being brainwashed. Now, there are a large number of people over here who do not like Muslims in general because we think they are all terrorists which is also a misunderstanding. I think his comment has been taken out of context.

    4. Baklava says:

      NotChris wrote, “The reason for wars and violence is the lack of understanding of each other’s opinions and differences

      Chris, They want you to convert or die. So in understanding them you would have to submit to Islam. The first step in your understanding is to READ what they write as you obviously can’t dialog with them directly. They are CLEAR in thier wishes. They write them often. The only thing here is your FAILURE to do the due diligence necessary before writing the post you did. Lack of due diligence doesn’t lend towards persuasive posts….

      Chris wrote, “The heads of the terrorist groups are feeding garbage to people in the terrorist training camps about how sinful our lifestyles are over here.

      That will continue as you will not shut down Hollywood, you will not tell gays that they cannot exist, you cannot turn OFF the things that extremist Islamists object to. It is WRONG to terrorize others the way they have carried out and are planning to carry out and there simply is not one ounce of understanding we should have for that. Terrorizing us because they disagree with us should NOT be tolerated. They need to KNOW that it isn’t tolerated. And more Americans (including you) stepping up and saying it won’t be tolerated would HELP. Capitulating to terrorists begets more terrorizing and so I would say you are ADDING to the problem. Your ideas would offer more blood and death. How do you feel about that? To give madmen a place at the table is not a solution for a lasting peace but only a longer war. Quick ends to wars have come when victory has been won overwhelmingly with great force. It is necessary to save 10 times more people to have that philosophy.

      Chris lied and wrote, “Now, there are a large number of people over here who do not like Muslims in general because we think they are all terrorists which is also a misunderstanding.

      Speak for yourself. There are many (a majority) of good and moderate muslims. There is NOBODY here who believes like you wrote. We are not dolts. We are a peace loving people. We know however that peace comes through strength and not submission with this breed of people. Of course in normal wife/husband relationships you foster understanding and build your relationship by learning to listen to each other and understand each other’s perspective. You do NOT carry that philosophy over to rapists, thugs, murders, terrorists, people who have crossed that line of decency. They don’t demand our respect, or deserve our respect and understanding. They need to know their ways will not get them ANY RESULTS. Giving them results teaches them their methods would GAIN RESULTS.

      Chris, I really do hope you can read this post and understand me and remove any tone that I have in there. It is a matter of peace that you take on and understand our philosophy so that we can unite and through strengh bring peace.

    5. NotChris says:

      Baklava, how do you propose to change all of the problems you have mentioned? And I hate to say it but there have been MANY people that I have heard call in on today’s various talk shows that have the maturity to understand what he did say. Maybe you should try listening to some of them. Terrorism is cowardness in my my mind – like shooting someone in the back and I actually think it is one of the worst atrocities (besides poverty) on this earth right now. But the key is – you can complain all you want about the terrorists but how do we stop it? Talk is cheap.

    6. tanstaafl says:

      Eeks, I could have gone all day (all year/the rest of my life) without reading the Governor’s tripe filled remarks.

    7. Baklava says:

      Chris asked a question for which I answered showing lack of understanding (sorry for the tone – I’m making a point), “how do you propose to change all of the problems you have mentioned?

      You make clear that terrorism will not be tolerated and is NOT a means to coming to the table and discussing, negotiating, etc. That is the way to peace.

      Chis wrote, “Terrorism is cowardness in my my mind

      Dumb it down if you wish. It should never be tolerated or understood. It does NOT bring you to the table of discussion.

      Chris cheaply said, “you can complain all you want about the terrorists but how do we stop it? Talk is cheap.

      Yes. Talk is cheap. Try to understand our position so that we can work towards peace together instead of trying to understand terrorists.

    8. NotChris says:

      Baklava – But how are you going to make it clear that terrorism is not going to be tolerated? Doesn’t that require some type of an understanding, good or bad, on both ends? How are you going to work towards peace since this generally requires cooperation on both ends? I am not at all putting you down – I am trying to find out from people in general how they would propose peace in the world. It is an interesting topic for which I think there is not one answer but would require putting many heads of many different nations together to try to solve it. As of yet, I have not seen any presidential candidate that has even come close to addressing this. Patrick throws out a statement and everyone freaks out.:)>-

    9. Baklava says:

      Chris doesn’t understand again.

      Chris. You began with this:

      The reason for wars and violence is the lack of understanding of each other’s opinions and differences.

      To which I’m trying to point out there is NO understanding, negotiating with, coming to the table with, dialoging with terrorists. Only overwhelming force is the answer. While you may want to dialog with a rapist, murderer in action – I will be using overwhelming force to save the victim.

      Your question now is, “But how are you going to make it clear that terrorism is not going to be tolerated?

      I thought I’ve been pretty clear. Overwhelming force. It won’t be tolerated, understood, negotiated with, discussed. It simply isn’t acceptable.

      All of us including YOU have a part in this. You can come to our side and make clear that there is NO understanding of extremist Islamofascist terrorists. Or you can give them with your words and ounce of a feeling that they have legitimacy and we just might come to the table if they kill a few more people. You and your type is the reason for the added blood and death. WW2 ended saving millions when overwhelming force was used. Now more people prosper and live in good conditions in Japan, Europe and the U.S. than ever thought possible.

      Chris without understanding wrote later, “How are you going to work towards peace since this generally requires cooperation on both ends?

      No. You do NOT cooperate with terrorists. That would foster more terrorism, blood, death.

      Chris asked though he has been told (where is that understanding???), “I am not at all putting you down – I am trying to find out from people in general how they would propose peace in the world.

      You make sure people know that you can’t cross that line. You will be dealt with swiftly no matter who you are as a line crosser (murderer, rapist, terrorist)

      Patrick throws out a statement and we respond with common sense, logic, reason. We understand what he is trying to say and disagree with the end result of policies with his understanding of the world.

    10. Severian says:

      Peace does not necessarily require cooperation on both ends, that presupposes that both sides are rational and reasonable and have some common ground. Overwhelming force, sufficient to obliterate the opposition and force the remaining population to succumb to your will works pretty well, and has a long historical precedent, going all the way back to Rome and the Carthaginians and beyond.

      By the same token, lack of understanding has seldom been a factor in most major wars, desire for power and control have been. Thinking otherwise, as NotChris seems to, betrays a startling ignorance of both human nature and history. It’s not like these things are secrets, history is there for all to read, as are the thoughts of military strategists and political scientists from Caesar to Machievelli and Mao. Ignorance of both of these doesn’t make simplistic concepts like NotChris is pushing true, it just makes them pathetic and dangerous.

    11. Great White Rat says:

      NotChris,

      It’s easy to have complete and total peace with the islamofascists. All you need to do is submit to everything they want you to do. Convert to islam. Start stoning gays in the local stadium. Force women to wear burkhas and deny them education.

      You will never have total peace until you are in your grave. No one is as “understanding” of another’s views as a dead man is.

      If someone wants to kill you, you’re a fool to sit around and comtemplate WHY. Common sense and self-preservation dictate that you defend yourself. And if they persist, the only sensible thing is to remove their capacity to do you harm. As Bakalava says, that means confronting them with overwhelming force.

      It’s noteworthy that while you, and Gov. Patrick, blubber about how we need to “understand” a murderous band of thugs locked into a 7th-century mindset, you’ll notice they have absolutely no intention of “understanding” us. They mean to destroy us. In that epic struggle, there is no neutral ground. You are either with us or against us. The left in this country, including Gov. Patrick, have cast their lot with the other side. Consider what’s at stake…do not join them.

    12. Lorica says:

      By the same token, lack of understanding has seldom been a factor in most major wars, desire for power and control have been.

      Absolutely true Sev. Desire for power and control over others has been the driving force of every dictator or leader bent on world domination since Bablyon. The only thing we need to understand is this is the driving force of those who attacked us. America is the 1st country to voluntarily return conquered territories, yet somehow we are the bad guys, and all we have ever asked is space to bury our dead, and that a democratic form of governance replace the prior totalitarian state. America has done more good for this entire world in it’s short 200 year history, than all other countries thru out the history of man. Yet we are the bad guys, simply amazing the ignorance of those that hate us. – Lorica

    13. NC Cop says:

      Yet we are the bad guys, simply amazing the ignorance of those that hate us.

      Second only to the ignorance of those that supposedly “support the troops”.

    14. NotChris says:

      All of you are missing my point completely. I actually am NOT a Deval Patrick fan so you cannot lump me in with all of his followers. Nor am I a Bush fan – I think he was a complete idiot to get us into a war where he had no plan of what to do when Sadam was out of office.
      Oh yeah great – we used force to get him out and now where has that gotten us – NOWHERE. We are in a worse state here than before 9/11 and if you disagree with me on this one, you are ignorant and you have had your head in the sand.
      When a cell sets off a nuclear bomb over Boston, are you going to be saying – oh, we used force overseas and that really worked well? Power and control have nothing to do with terrorism – in this case, those people have been brainwashed to carry out missions from wacko leaders. We should have completed the initial mission we had set out to do with Bin Laden but noooo, Bush has most the US frightened to believe that Sadam was tied to 9/11. He finally admitted this was a ploy.
      Like I said, talk is cheap. But it is difficult to reach people who can quote all they want but have no real, definite answers to actually achieving peace. At some point, terrorists will need to be either jailed and/or re-programmed. There is a reason there are a dedicated group of people that are used fpr cults.
      By the way, peace from Thesaurus is defined as reconciliation, harmony, end of war, serenity… I don’t see “Overwhelming force” listed here nor do I think this has accomplished anything on the war on terrorism so far. Even Bush’s aides have said we are losing the war on terrorism so I guess this method is not working.

    15. Severian says:

      All of you are missing my point completely

      I think the problem is that you really don’t have a point, all you have is a feel good collection of fuzzy headed, bumper sticker type sayings/mantras you trot out whenever critical thinking is required.

      Oh, and I guess it wasn’t “overwhelming force” that ended WWII, we just sat down with the Germans and Japanese and held hands until we all “understood” each other better.

      I also guess it wasn’t “overwhelming force” that finally ridded the Romans of those pesky Carthaginians either.

      Crack open a history book sometime, and look at how the real world operates, you might not make so many foolish statements if you do. 8-|

    16. Severian says:

      Oh, NotChris, in case you’re completely uneducated, Carthage fought 3 wars against Rome, the Punic Wars, including Hanibal crossing the Alps with his elephants. The Romans finally got fed up with this, marched down to Carthage, killed everyone in the city, even cut the dogs in half, tore the city down, and salted the fields for 30 miles around the city of Carthage. Bam, no more Punic war, no more problems with the Carthaginians. The ancient world equivalent of nuking them into a glass parking lot. Seemed to work just fine, they had plenty of “serenity” after that.

    17. NC Cop says:

      if you disagree with me on this one, you are ignorant and you have had your head in the sand.

      Wow, there’s that open minded liberal attitude again.
      Can’t imagine why nobody sees your point.

    18. NC Cop says:

      When a cell sets off a nuclear bomb over Boston, are you going to be saying – oh, we used force overseas and that really worked well?

      Well, after watching airplanes full of innocent people crash into the towers right after 8 years of Clinton pacifism, we KNOW that didn’t work. It would seem that trying something else was logical. Since then, how many attacks have succeeded in this country?

      We are in a worse state here than before 9/11

      Details, please. How exactly are we worse now?

      Power and control have nothing to do with terrorism – in this case, those people have been brainwashed to carry out missions from wacko leaders.

      Indeed, so the question then is what do the wacko leaders want? They want to destroy the U.S. and they want Islam to rule the world. Sounds like power to me.

      We should have completed the initial mission we had set out to do with Bin Laden but noooo, Bush has most the US frightened to believe that Sadam was tied to 9/11.

      That’s funny, I could have sworn we had thousands of special forces looking for Bin Laden in the mountains of Afghanistan. And I’m quite sure that we still do. Just because they don’t tell you the exact location of where they are and what they are doing doesn’t mean they aren’t there.
      As for Bush frightening people into believing Saddam was tied to 9/11, details, please. Do you have a link to a speech where Bush said Saddam did it? If so I’d love to read it.

      Like I said, talk is cheap.

      Yes it is. Yet it’s the only thing the dems and the Bush haters seem to do. They offer not a single solution, but they know all the problems.

      Even Bush’s aides have said we are losing the war on terrorism so I guess this method is not working.

      With all the support the terrorists are getting in this country, why should they give up? All they have to do is wait and let Americans in this country do their work for them.

    19. Lorica says:

      brainwashed to carry out missions from wacko leaders

      Chris, isn’t brainwashing a form of control?? I thought it had nothing to do with control??

      When a cell sets off a nuclear bomb over Boston, are you going to be saying – oh, we used force overseas and that really worked well?

      Now who is using fear to make his point?? – Lorica

    20. Great White Rat says:

      When a cell sets off a nuclear bomb over Boston, are you going to be saying – oh, we used force overseas and that really worked well?

      And you think that sitting around trying to “understand” al Qaeda is the way to prevent that event? How? Tell us, please, what are the magic words you’d say to bin Laden or any of the other hate-filled fanatics that will make them say, “You know, maybe I oughta give up this jihad thing and get a job in the Iraqi oil fields.”

      What you’re missing is that they have no intention at all of reaching an understanding with us. BOTH sides need to want peace before it will break out. And they do not want peace.

      What they want, simply, is to kill us. All of us. I know this is a difficult concept for you to wrap your mind around, but try really hard. They want me dead. And Sev. And Lorica, and NC Cop. And they want YOU dead too. They don’t care if you voted for Bush, Kerry, or Nader. They don’t care if you prance around with giant papier-mache heads and Bush=Hitler signs, or if you’re with the Gathering Of Eagles. They don’t care if you drive a Hummer or a Prius. They could not care less if you swoon over Rosie O’Donnel or Elisabeth Hasselbeck. They have this bizarre idea that their bloodthirsty god demands that they rid the earth of infidels, and nothing will satisfy them except YOUR blood. All of it.

      Now, exactly what part of all that isn’t crystal clear to you?

      So if you think the proper response to that is to meditate and try to “understand” them then, to use your own words, you are ignorant and you have had your head in the sand.

    21. Severian says:

      Why do I get an image of NotChris sitting there in front of a video camera with a blanket over his head, teary eyed, screaming “Leave Osama alone! You’re lucky he even bombed you!” ;)

    22. Great White Rat says:

      Another way to look at this is that NotChris has what you might call a European frame of reference to the problem. In an Opinion Journal item published over three years ago you find this (about half way down the page):

      Sociologist Emilio Lamo de Espinosa says Europeans have been dreaming. Writing in Le Monde (in French), Lamo says Europeans have thought they would be spared because they haven’t supported the Bush administration’s policies.

      “When the Americans declared war on terrorism, many of us thought they exaggerated. Many thought terrorism was not likely to occur on our premises, [inhabited by] peaceful and civilized Europeans who speak no evil of anybody, who dialogue, who are the first [to] send assistance and offer cooperation. We are pacifists, they are warmongers. . . . Don’t we defend the Palestinians? Are we not pro-Arab and anti-Israeli?”

      “Can we dialogue with those who desire only our death and nothing but our death?” Lamo asks. “Dialogue about what? The manner in which we will be assassinated?”

      “The war against terrorism will be long and difficult,” he concludes. “It was that cretin, President Bush, who said that.”

      Exactly so…it’s exactly as we’ve been saying here. Maybe NotChris – or Deval Patrick, who seems to have the same views – can answer those questions in boldface. The rest of us got the point a long time ago.

    23. Lorica says:

      I have been really thinking about how OBL keeps aligning himself with the Dem party. Even in his last video he was espousing Dem talking points. Honestly, I don’t believe this is because he actually believes in these ideas. If he did he would have tried to talk to us before he bombed the WTC the 1st time. He is doing his level best to fool the American people into electing the Dem party, because he knows a pacifist will give up without a fight. This is all a ploy for his final dream, an Islamic America. He knows that once America leaves Iraq, he can recruit a huge Sunni army out of Saudi Arabia, stave off any attack from Iran, and then use Iraq’s resources as a base of operations to slowly pick at the Saudis, then at the US. Who will help us then?? Europe?? China?? Perhaps Africa?? If we don’t win this war, it will mean trouble for the whole world for many years to come. – Lorica

    24. Great White Rat says:

      Mark Steyn has the final word on Governor Patrick’s lame remarks:

      At some point in the future, some of us will find ourselves on a flight with a chap like Richard Reid, the thwarted shoebomber. On that day we’d better hope the guy sitting next to him isn’t Governor Patrick, who sees him bending down to light his sock and responds with a chorus of “All You Need Is Love” but a fellow who “understands” enough to wallop the bejasus out of him before he can strike the match. It was the failure of one group of human beings to understand that the second group of human beings was determined to kill them that led to the crew and passengers of those Boston flights sticking with the obsolescent 1970s hijack procedures until it was too late.

      So much for NotChris and this “understanding” foolishness.