| Big Govt | Breitbart to AG Holder: Investigate ACORN or We’ll Release More Tapes Just Before 2010 Election |
0 |
| Politico | 0 | |
| Ras. Reports | 0 | |
| Patterico | L.A. Times Columnist Uncritically Quoted Star of Latest ACORN Video |
0 |
| ABC News | Major Hasan’s E-Mail: ‘I Can’t Wait to Join You’ in Afterlife |
0 |
Audacity of Truth
The GOP roundtable debate forum on Fox
Lots of reax around the blogosphere to tonight’s debate, broadcast on Fox – the last one before New Hamphsire.
Romney’s getting positive reviews from Powerline, Bryan at Hot Air (good video highlights from the debate there), Mary Katharine Ham, Mark Halperin, and a Frank Luntz focus group, among others, including of course Romney fan Hugh Hewitt.
Mark Steyn, on the other hand, thinks Romney did badly and will have to do better if he wants to win New Hampshire. John Hawkins has declared Romney the “loser” of tonight’s debate.
Me? From what little I watched tonight, Fred sounded really good and got in some spot-on remarks about the positions of his opponents but once again I get the idea that he’s not extremely enthusiastic about being in the race. I like what he has to say, but I just wish he’d say it with more passion.
All that said, McCain is still the man to beat in New Hampshire, as he’s polled ahead in the last two weeks worth of polling coming out of that state, one that Romney once looked to have in the palm of his hand. Tuesday should be verrry interesting – on both sides of the aisle.
RSS feed for comments on this post.
Trackbacks
18 Responses to “The GOP roundtable debate forum on Fox”
Comments
Blogads
Disclaimer: The views expressed on this blog do not necessarily reflect those of ST's advertisers, nor do their opinions necessarily reflect ST's. Stats
“Me? From what little I watched tonight, Fred sounded really good and got in some spot-on remarks about the positions of his opponents but once again I get the idea that he’s not extremely enthusiastic about being in the race. I like what he has to say, but I just wish he’d say it with more passion.”
Here’s my take on Fred, FWIW; he’s not in it for power, as I believe others are…he wants what’s best for the country, and thinks at the moment that’s him. Consequently, he seems somewhat lackadaisical.
That isn’t necessarily a bad thing, IMO…
I have the same opinion camo.
I don’t want somebody as pres like Edwards and Clinton who want it so bad you can see them stressing so hard over it.
The opposite of them is Fred.
His message has been consistently conservative and with his common sense tone I just think he is being criticized for being who he is. He is as he is. You either like his message or not and I love his message.
And forgive me everyone… but I love his style/tone also. It’s what I want.
Mike Huckabee is very strong on charm and very weak on substance, Huckabee tries to use charm to mask his liberal record.
Aaarrgghhh!!! Fred, Fred, Fred!!!! C’mon man! You got all the correct ideas, you have a clean record, you know how to handle the liberal boobs in the MSM, YOUR THE MAN! Now would you please, please, please come to life and show the country that you are enthusiastic and passionate about your positions and being our next President??!! My liberal brother in the MSM called him ‘The Mummy’ and told me he’ll never win because ‘he doesn’t want it enough’ when we were discussing politics over the holidays, which gives me an clear idea of how the MSM will attack him in the coming weeks/months. You know – too old, too tired, no enthusiasm for the job…
Sis, Camojack and Baklava you are spot on in your assessments, and I couldn’t agree more. However, much of the country will be spoon fed by the media, telling them that Fred can’t win because of this perception of his lack of desire. Fred will have to ‘come to life’ really soon to make progress in the polls and raise awareness and the $$ he needs to continue to the WH.
Hey, I know, maybe his beautiful (young) sexy wife Jerri needs to go on a talk show and intimate that at home in the bedroom Fred is a sexual dynamo and she can, well, you know – barely keep up with him…
Perhaps that will help dispell the ‘tired old man’ image.
Mahwah wrote, “Now would you please, please, please come to life and show the country that you are enthusiastic and passionate”
He is who he is Mahwah. That’s like saying please be somebody else to him.
I LIKE how he is. You can change YOUR attitude and LIKE how he is if YOU wish. Or you can want one of the other lapdogs like Hillary/Edwards who want this pres job so bad they’ll do and say anything and get shrill.
You wrote, “My liberal brother in the MSM called him ‘The Mummy’ and told me he’ll never win because ‘he doesn’t want it enough’ ”
That’s why he’s liberal. And that’s why Fred is not.
You wrote, “Hey, I know, maybe his beautiful (young) sexy wife Jerri needs to go on a talk show and intimate that at home in the bedroom Fred is a sexual dynamo and she can, well, you know – barely keep up with him…
uh oh. I’m getting flashbacks of Gore kissing his wife on stage… Why did that have to happen !!!
I like the “I owe you nothing” quote Fred gave the Today show guy yesterday. That was classic.
What I want, Bak, is for Fred to win, and to do what it takes to get in the White house. No need to get snippy with me. It’s mildly insulting for you to infer I should want the likes of Hillary/Edwards in the Oval Office because they know how to campaign ala 2008, ie. show a stong will to win. I had a window into the private views of the liberal media via my brother, and it was enough to tell me how they will spin Fred’s campaign efforts in an effort to discredit him. Not everyone is astute politically as the folks up here, and there are many, many voters who simply parrot what the MSM feed them.
I LIKE his positions. I LIKE his attitude, and I LIKE the way he carries himself publicly. I also LIKE being a registered volunteer of his campaign organization. I also know that if he doesnt’ get elected, it doesn’t matter how much you, me or anyone else LIKES him, he doesn’t get to lead us or our country anywhere.
Bak, be cool, friend – we’re all on the same side here. I happen to agree with mahwah. I want to like Fred, but have a hard time as I have doubts about his enthusiasm and commitment, and I think Fred’s free-fall in the polls are an indication that a lot more conservatives feel the same way.
It’s funny though, people like everything about Fred, but question his ‘commitment’?
Who in their right minds would subject themselves and their family through the extensive dirt digging, dirtiness of politis and even more heated in a run for President, if they were not serious?
I see he is laid back, not lazy.
I also see someone not afraid to tell it like it is.
Everyone seems to like his positions, he gets high marks in many things, including the accuracy dept, where most of the other candidates will be picked apart due to inaccuracies…Fred has not.
Let us turn it around on it’s head as you will….
What do you see as ‘lazy’?
What do you want to see as “fire in the belly”?
What makes it looks like he ‘wants it’ more than any other in your eyes? What does he have to do to show this?
Everyones personality is different.
Are you saying you want him to act like the other candidates?
If say he gets elected, and your thoughts on his lack of enthusiam and commitement are still there, what do you think he will do…nothing….as president?
Again, we have such a vast collection of people in this world, with so many differing thoughts, ideas, and how they act. He fits almost all of what we want as president, but because he acts differently in how you expect a presidential candidate should act, people on’t think he is the right person for hte job?
This boggles my mind.
His criteria is damn near as good as we can get or hope for a conservative cadidate, better than all the rest running, but because of how he acts or doesn’t react, that is the over-riding factor on voting for him?
I don’t care if he picks his nose, wear sweats, drinks beer for dinner…as long as the ideals hold true in dealing with the office of the Presidency and how he conducts himself, as the Conservative candidate that we like what he stands for – even if he is a bit laid back.
Laid back is a good way of looking at it. It’s attractive to me.
To be in this race at all is commitment and the opposite of laziness. I can show you some joe six packs who are lazy.
I have a passion for Fred and just kinda think the criticism is off because it’s what I like about him on top of his stands on the issues.
Plus I don’t want him to change. I like who he is and don’t want him to act like anyone else.
You said it pretty good Sanity.
Thanks for letting me express myself ST
I may have chosen the wrong words for Mahwah. Shrill is applied to Hillary….
What is it about people disagreeing over Fred that puts conservatives so at odds with each other, especially considering that most of us want the same thing? With that in mind, I don’t understand this defensiveness about a candidate most of us like, but who some of us have questions about. It’s not an insult for someone to say they want to see more passion and show of committment from a candidate. I, and mahwah (among others – not just here) have expressed a general like about Fred, but have legitmate concerns about how much he wants it. I don’t think there’s anything wrong in questioning that, and I don’t see why it’s cause for defensiveness. We’re talking, we want essentially the same things, and most of us seem to like Fred – but among those people who like Fred are those who have reservations.
My personal belief is that a lot of conservatives – including me – were wanting someone to fire up the base, get them motivated, and inspire them a la Reagan. And as we all know, just the mere talk of Fred’s campaign was enough to get people engaged, and he entered the race in September in a blaze of glory, but his campaign has slid downhill, and I think a large part of that has to do with conservatives who were once excited about Fred no longer being so as time when on, where he seemed to go through the motions of making appearances, and issuig statements, and generally running a lackluster campaign.
As an undecided Republican, I am hungry for someone to get me roaring with excitement over the possibility that he could get elected president. Fred’s someone I really want to feel that for. I know there will never be another Reagan – that’s a tall order – but I want someone who I believe really wants to win this thing, who really wants to lead this country, and Fred consistently has struck me as someone who isn’t there yet, who is more or less winging it.
I hear ya.
But I like how he is and I think he does want to win.
True, and I have had the same thoughts over time with Fred, ST.
Most people had such a build up of expectations that when he finally did enter, they felt let down that he did not meet with what they thought he should be.
Regardless of which, he seems ot be getting better as he goes, running a bit different campaign than the others, but I htink as we progress during this campiagn cycle, we will see more from him hopefully.
CNN delegate scorecard.
I do not think Huckabee or Romney can win. Out of all the candidates I think Guliani or Thompson can win.
I think the reason for my defensiveness after thinking it over is that the criticism (in my belief) is unfair of Thompson.
Tackling the issues he believes in is one thing but tackling who he is as a person and asking him to change who he is to be a fire in the belly guy seems odd.
I don’t know how to characterize why he’s dropped in the polls. But he is 3rd place below Romney and Huckabee in the number of delegates so far. And to me out of the top 3 candidates he is the strongest and most electable.
Note: Guliani doesn’t have the delegates yet because he focused on Super Tuesday states.
I agree with everything written here.
Sanity, Bak – I like Fred the Conservative, Fred the Man. I mean I really do like how he is – I like his laid-back demeanor, his ability to remain unflustered under pressure. To me, that shows strength, kinda like the cool Kung Fu master who doesn’t even seem to notice when 7 bad guys surround him, and then in a mere instant, dispatches all of them without even breaking a sweat, and goes back to the business at hand. More than any other candidate, I want to be able to vote for Fred in November. I agree with ST, though, and have heard it all too often from conservatives, that the perception of Fred is the lack of ‘Fire in the Belly’. I personally think Fred has the fire, but he’s not communicating that effectively to the masses that will a) get him the $$ he needs to continue to get his message out there and b)get him the ‘undecided’ vote that will ultimately swing the election to the Rebublicans.
I think he is getting better as he goes, as Sanity said, but I still think he needs to ‘kick it up a notch’ – BAM!
I was just talking to a person here who said she saw Fred in Iowa, just before the caucus and he addressed this very issue. He says it isn’t true, and that it is just the MSM trying to attach a specific persona onto him. If you get a chance to hear him speak, you should do that. He has plenty of “fire in his belly” when he is live. Look at how he handled Chris Wallace a few weeks back, it seemed to me he was plenty fired up. Look at him leading the way at the Des Moines Register debate when the idiot moderator wanted a show of hands instead of asking a true question over global warming. Most of these guys would have fallen into her trap, it was Fred Thompson who asked if they were going to be able to respond, when she said no, he said then he would not answer. He calls it as it is. – Lorica
I am not so sure on Guliani.
Link
Unless there is some big upset, I think Obama will have the Democrat nomination.
Now who will it come down to for the GOP to run against Obama?