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Audacity of Truth
"Change" You Can Believe In:
"Nixon didn’t try to do that. They couldn't control (the media). They didn’t try. [...] What the hell do they think we are, puppets?"
- Liberal opinion writer Helen Thomas, describing the Obama admin's penchant for heavily scripting public appearances & press conferences - 7/1/09
If it comes down to it …
… and McCain gets the nomination, would you support him?
Two recent polls for South Carolina suggest the momentum is shifting in his direction. First, a Rasumussen poll via NRO’s Corner blog:
The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey shows McCain at 27% and Huckabee at 24%.
That’s a significant change since last Sunday. Just before the New Hampshire vote, Huckabee was leading McCain 28% to 21%. In mid-December, Huckabee and Romney were tied for the lead with 23% of the vote while McCain was well off the pace at 12%.
And then there’s this one, via Fox:
Following his win this week in New Hampshire, Republican presidential hopeful John McCain takes the lead in South Carolina — though Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney are both close behind.
A new FOX News South Carolina Republican presidential primary poll shows McCain is now the front-runner with 25 percent, followed by Iowa caucus winner Huckabee at 18 percent and Romney at 17 percent. The results for all three top candidates are within the survey’s margin of sampling error.
Fred Thompson, who is from the neighboring state of Tennessee, captures the support of 9 percent, while Rudy Giuliani and Ron Paul both receive 5 percent.
Now I know after NH, there is a renewed skepticism out there towards polling and pollsters, but let’s just assume for purposes of discussion that this one is a sign of things to come in SC.
There are a number of issues conservatives feel McCain has betrayed them on, with immigration at the top of the list. Could you see yourself pulling the lever for him in November against Obama or Hillary, or would you stay home?
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It’s not even that important a position.
Oh please, stop with the jokes (you are kidding, right?)! Anyone who can say that (except in jest, I hope) must not have lived through the Carter debacle. We are still paying for the goofs of the Nut Farmer from Plains. And what exactly was Clinton doing to stop al Qaeda?
The office does matter – and so does the person occupying it.
And yet somehow the nation survived.
If the Republican field does thin a bit with some Conservatives remaining in the race, then a more conservative candidate (Not Huckebee, he is a tax and spent liberal, so he will not get the nomination.) will win over McCain. In the end the Democrats and news media like McCain, but they don’t get to vote and he will lose out again to either Romney or Thompson or both.
You guys are talking about the country surviving this candidate’s or that candidate’s presidency if they were elected.
You are failing to see the country is practically dead on arrival no matter who is elected unless something akin to a Carter catastrophe occurs.
I think the chances of Clinton withdrawing from Iraq abruptly are not that much more than McCain. First, the anti-war nut roots hate her because of that uncertainty. Second as previously mentioned, McCain is a man of political expediency. He was at one time Soros funded after all, who is completely anti-war now. McCain is responsible for the laws that allowed the anti-war activists such politically powerful entities such as moveon.org. to exist legally.
Basically, I trust McCain no more than I trust Clinton.
But back to the survival point: we need to bring the shock paddles out for this country. Nothing short of this will we survive if one of the status quo candidate like McCain are elected. His election will take us merrily down our current path of self destruction. NOTHING would prevent it if he were elected.
The shock paddle needed may well be a Clinton. Like Carter, she will throw this country in economic turmoil because of her knack of over regulation and socialist causes. The ONLY thing the the American people understand is an empty pocket, and these policies will do it. When credit will no longer be available and the pocket has nothing but lint in it, that will be the time when they may well look at a Reagan-esque character for leader.
That is the only chance of survival this great nation has. And while it may well be true that we wouldn’t fulfill our obligation in Iraq, that would be another embarrassment this nation may have to endure….like Viet Nam.
“Have” to endure? WADR, this nation doesn’t “have to” endure anything of the sort. I, for one, am not going to chance Iraq turning into another Vietnam in order to attempt to teach this country any sort of lesson. If this were in peacetime, it’d be different, but it’s not.
Furthermore, the people doing the most “enduring” would be our troops and their families, both of whom have sacrificed so much for a goal that is achieveable if only we are able to set aside our differences with whoever the Republican nominee is in order to make sure what we set out in Iraq to do from the get go has a chance at succeeding. If we don’t, our troops and their families won’t be the only ones “enduring” another Vietnam. The Iraqi people will be enduring it, too – and in a way no innocent person should have to suffer, especially not when the US has promised to stick around until they’re reasonably sure that Iraqi law enforcement will be able to prevent that from happening.
Our troops have sacrificed a lot more than most of us have for this war. I don’t think it’s asking too much to sacrifice our pride and vote for the person who will work hard to make sure that those same troops will have a Commander in Chief who will work to make sure that the goal is achieved in Iraq, then allowing our troops to return home from the mission with honor.
And yet somehow the nation survived.
Democracy is not the natural state of mankind. It is something that can be lost far more easily that most people think. Germany voted the Nazis into power in a free and fair election. And Africa is a continent littered with “one man one vote – one time” failed democracies.
It’s highly probable that whoever the Republican nominee will be it’ll be someone I dislike and distrust. That’s just the way it’s looking now. In any other time, I’d sit the election out and just sulk, and figure that if we get a Democrat it’d just make the conservative position stronger in 4 or 6 years due to the bad governance we’d get, ala Carter.
But, as ST has said, we are in the middle of a larger war against Islamic Fascism, that is just too important to back track and take a 4 year break from. As Patton said, he didn’t believe in falling back and regrouping, didn’t want to pay for the same real estate twice. He was dead on right, and we cannot afford, after the advances we’ve made, after the butt kicking Al Queda has received from us, after the smack down they’re getting in Iraq, to back up and give them a victory and chance to regroup. That will most likely lead to a mushroom cloud over a US city, and that’s a price I will not willingly pay, so I’ll hold my nose and vote for whoever the Republican nominee is, even if it’s McCain, as no Democrat has their head on straight with respect to the war and defense.
Baklava and I are of similar mind on our picks of who we want, and I too would hold my nose and pull the lever for McCain if it came down to it.
We cannot afford a Hillary or Obama runnig this country. Not cause of race or gender, but because their ideas would hard this country.
The last time we tried to show displeasure and ‘teach’ the republicans a lesson, we lost the senate and house. It seems republicans didn’t lear n a lesson in it….and neither did we.
Do you enjoy the democrat control?
Now take a moment and think of what would happen if Democrats controlled all three, Senate, House and Presidency.
Really think on it…what do you think would happen to this country, to the republicans, to radio talk shows…even to bloggers?
Hold your nose if you have to, but Hillary, Obama or Edwards cannot be allowed to win – pull the lever that will not be a vote for them.
Hillary – 1 vote
McCain – 1 vote (someone held thier nose and voted)
Hillary – 1 vote (Hillary ahead)
McCain – 0 vote (decided not to vote)
Easiest way to give the Democrats what they want is not to vote.
For the most part I take people at their word.
McCain has several issues I differ with him on but after listening to him during last night’s debate, I can tell he is more in line with us on those issues than the Democrats by far.
He wanted tax cuts but wanted spending cuts. He was one of the most forceful on spending cuts. Him and Fred Thompson were clear and kept going back to spending cuts.
There’s a few thousand people who died on 9/11 who might disagree with you…….if you could ask them.
Democracy is not the natural state of mankind. It is something that can be lost far more easily that most people think. Germany voted the Nazis into power in a free and fair election. And Africa is a continent littered with “one man one vote – one time” failed democracies.
And here I thought only Ron Paul supporters feared that a fascist coup was around the corner.
There’s a few thousand people who died on 9/11 who might disagree with you…….if you could ask them.
You might want to rethink that statement because it makes absolutely zero sense in this context.
Well, let me see here.
You quoted MD:
Then you said:
And yet somehow the nation survived.
I took that to mean that all of the screwups of the Clinton years had very little bearing on our present situation. Am I right? Perhaps I took it the wrong way, could you clarify?
Then my point was in support of MD’s by stating that 9/11 was the result of the Clinton foreign policy. Meaning that it is, indeed, important. Like it was for those who died on 9/11.
I would not stay home. Even though I don’t want McCain to be the nominee, I will be voting for the down ballot candidates anyway so I am sure I will vote for whoever the GOP nominee is since any of them are better than Hillary or Obama. What I don’t know if I can do though is put forth any excitement or work in any way to support McCain. I really can’t see me campaigning for him. I fear that if Republicans nominate him because they think he is the only one who can win, we will be in trouble because I just don’t see any widespread enthusiasm for him. Think Bob Dole in 1996.
Lorie, I don’t think any of the people who will withhold a vote for McCain will simply “stay home”. I’m leaning toward not voting on that race, but I’ll certainly show up and vote for the best congressional and other candidates.
And from what I’ve seen so far, there won’t be any widespread enthusiasm no matter who the GOP nominates. Fred has some hearts in the blogosphere racing, but not much outside of that…and none of the other candidates bring Reaganesque devotion. Other than the Obamaniacs, no one’s really caught fire yet this year.