Remember what I wrote earlier today about how visiting Harrisburg, NC was perfect for Ms. Down on Her Country Michelle Obama in terms of how she would try to “relate” to the poor and middle class people who live there, many of whom are struggling to make ends meet, in part, because of a wave of job losses that have hit Cabarrus County over the last several years? Well, I hate to say I Toldjah So, but … :
HARRISBURG, N.C. –Michelle Obama says she and her husband have a better understanding of the everyday challenges facing Americans than do policy makers in Washingon.
The wife of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama campaigned Tuesday at a town hall meeting north of Charlotte. She said the Illinois senator and his family are “not so far away from life that we don’t understand and get it.”
Obama said when she and her husband left law school, the monthly payments on their school loan debt was more than their monthly mortgage payment. She said they only got out of that debt when Barack Obama wrote two best selling books.
Here’s a video clip from the meeting.
Let’s address that last paragraph: “Obama said when she and her husband left law school, the monthly payments on their school loan debt was more than their monthly mortgage payment. She said they only got out of that debt when Barack Obama wrote two best selling books.”
Here are a few things to keep in mind while considering this sob story:
1. His tax returns:
Newly released tax returns offer a glimpse into Barack Obama’s transformation from a state senator making a household income of less than $250,000 just three years ago into a millionaire U.S. senator and best-selling author.
The Obamas’ jointly filed tax returns from 2000 to 2006, released by the campaign Tuesday, show that Obama made a total of $1.6 million in 2005 and 2006 as the author of the best-selling “Dreams of My Father” and “The Audacity of Hope.”
2. Barack Obama’s financial status in 2004:
The [late 2004] big book deal may help relieve Obama of some financial concerns. Obama said at the end of July that he had taken out a second mortgage and was worried whether his Senate salary of $158,100 a year would be enough.
He put in three bids for the $1.65 million house he and his family currently reside in in early 2005.
3. Michelle Obama’s income over the last three years:
• • Michelle Obama’s income of $273,618 from the University of Chicago Hospitals. She will get paid less in 2007 because she cut back on her job because of the campaign. She made more in 2005 because of a signing bonus from the U. of C. given when she was promoted to vice president of community and external affairs in January 2005, just as Obama was sworn in as senator.
Tax returns from last year showed her total compensation in 2005 went from $122,000 to $317,000, though the higher figure includes a one-time pension payout and the bonus.
• • Michelle Obama’s income of $51,200 from TreeHouse Foods, where she has been on the board of directors since June 2005.
4. Their pre-US Senate income:
2004: Joint income totaled $207,342 (includes $32,144 to B. Obama from University of Chicago; $53,288 state senator salary and $121,910 for Michelle’s University of Chicago Hospital salary). The couple gave $2,500 in miscellaneous charity contributions.
2003: Joint income totaled $238,327 (includes $64,287 to Barack from University of Chicago; $58,151 state senator salary, and $115,889 for Michelle’s University of Chicago Hospital salary). They gave $3,400 to miscellaneous charities.
2002: Joint income totaled $226,300 (includes $69,287 to Barack from University of Chicago; $58,187 state senator salary and $98,826 for Michelle’s University of Chicago Hospital salary). The couple gave $1,050 to miscellaneous charities.
2001: Joint income totaled $176,965 (no breakdown provided on salary, however this includes $98,158 in “business income” B. Obama reported from side work as an attorney). They gave $1,470 to miscellaneous charities.
2000: Joint income totaled $212,999 (no breakdown provided on salary, however this includes $16,500 in “business income” B. Obama reported from side work as “foundation director/educational speaker”). They gave $2,350 to miscellaneous charities.
I presume at their ages they’ve both been out of law school for roughly 20 years. Yet up until a few years ago they had to take out a second mortgage on their home and had college loan payments that were higher than their mortgage payments. Is it just me, or does it sound like the both of them lived beyond their means for many, many years?
It’s become more and more clear everytime we listen to either Mrs. Obama or the man she claims can “heal this nation” that the both of them think that it’s ok to live beyond your means because Big Government will and should always be there to pay for what you can’t, like your college education, your healthcare, childcare, etc. Personal responsiblity be damned.
Related: Oh no! Has mega-talk show host Oprah Winfrey’s popularity taken a hit as a result of her support for Senator Obama?
Huh? Ok I’ll give ya the “elitist” angle since Senator Obama is definitely Talented Tenth material. But what’s wrong with government assisting you in educating yourself. So I guess every conservative don’t apply for school loans. C’mon. I had a combination of an athletic (football) scholarship (4-years offensive tackle, in the trenches is THE LIFE) and Stafford Loans. Got my degree and did something with it. As far as living beyond their means, uh, that’s the American Way for many Americans. My dumb ass did that for a few years until I almost crashed and burned. Frugal for the win these days. So I really don’t think much about that point.
As for the Oprah issue, all I can say is OH WELL. She endorsed a black man without much history trying to become the first black POTUS. As the scrutiny intensifies on Senator Obama, she’s going to feel it too. But she’s a millionaire a hundred times over so she be alright.
By the way, I’m back in the Green Party. I support Obama in as far as I’m black and he’s black and I wish him the best. But he’s proven to be the same ol’ politician and I don’t like those. Now I’m just trying to run Cynthia McKinney out the party! YUCK!
Comment by T-Steel @ 4/8/2008 - 9:15 pm
T steel asked, “But what’s wrong with government assisting you in educating yourself”
Because there are those who sacrifice, save, work and pay for their own education. As they work they are taxed to pay for others who don’t sacrifice. As they save they are taxed on dividends and told they can’t get benefits that those who didn’t save are offered….
Tsteel. It’s about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Taking from those who produce to pay for those who don’t is not a way to build a great nation. It’s a sure fire way to bring down a nation. Little by little with each and every one of the HUNDREDS of government programs that do this slothfulness is subsidized and hard work is punished.
When I was married and my wife CHOSE to stay home, we sacrificed with one less income, did not have new cars, got a house that was less than friends of ours. Friends who had two jobs, a new SUV and a new car, and they were liberals who fomented about the government not providing their kids daycare….. HELLO TSTEEL ! Where does that money come from??? FROM US THE TAXPAYERS!!
Instead of funneling money from our paychecks through the government with ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS…. to pay for people who are living differently and with more consumerism…. we should tell people to live with good decisions and keep more of the money from their own paychecks.
T Steel with craziness said, “So I guess every conservative don’t apply for school loans.”
Loans are paid back by the person who took out the loan. As this country’s federal and state’s governments shell out SOOOO much money for grants (not loans) and other funding for higher education costing taxpayers tooo much money, college prices have gone up and up because the market place is less and less at work. When you take away the market place costs are out of wack. It has happened in the overregulated health care industry and with higher education.
Comment by Baklava @ 4/8/2008 - 9:48 pm
So what happens to those who work their butts off in high school, receive a scholarship (not nearly enough), but families don’t have nearly the money to go to college? Do they settle for community college? And what if they don’t have the $$$ to make that work while working full-time, etc. My wife works at an admissions office at a community college. And a large number of dropouts aren’t due to grades but finances. So if your lot in life is high academic achievement without the finances to build upon that, what do they do?
Look, I’m no “gouge the American taxpayer type”. But personal responsibilities has limits for a sizable amount of Americans. You take it upon yourself to take control of your life and not to “pull from the system”. But then you lose a job, get sick, etc, and your in a tailspin. There should be some government assistance to ASSIST you when circumstances warrant it.
Agreed that the cost of higher education is ridiculous to the extreme. I don’t know what how much more my wife and I can save for our three children to go to college without affecting our present financial stability and ability to work. Already got rid of one car and scaled things to the bare minimum but we know it won’t be enough. So what’s wrong with counting on the government to assist my wife and I with our children’s higher education goals (especially if they keep on the path of high academic achievement) when we have hit the proverbial wall in saving?
Comment by T-Steel @ 4/8/2008 - 11:28 pm
Come on T-Steel, you know better than that. There are all kinds of options without demanding that taxpayers work long hours to foot the bill for someone else’s education. I know. That’s how I earned all my degrees. The only government assistance I received was the GI Bill, and that was compensation for giving up four years of my life when America was involved in a little firefight in southeast Asia.
It’s not that difficult. If you can’t afford the cost of college (and I agree with you that the cost is insane), you take it piecemeal. Would you like to show me where it is written that anyone has the right to finish college in exactly four years, partying and living on campus, at the most exclusive school he can find - and all the time sending the taxpayer the bill for it?
Don’t talk to me about high achievement and no finances. I can play “Can You Top This” on that subject with the best of them.
But to answer your question, how about working your way through? Any university worthy of the name has evening classes. I worked all day and then took 2 or 3 courses per semester at nights. And don’t look down your nose at some of those community colleges. Some of that work is transferrable for credit at 4-year schools.
The one thing I never did was feel sorry for myself and imagine that somehow, somewhere, it was the responsibility of someone like Baklava to pay my way. Aside from the GI Bill, and some limited education reimbursement from employers, every penny came out of my own pocket.
Does it take a lot longer? Damn right it does.
Does it mean you have to do without some luxuries for a while? Well, duh…
Does it mean your social life is limited? No question.
But I’ll guarantee you this, T-Steel: anyone who grinds it out that way has an appreciation for that degree that no kid who spent four years freeloading on the taxpayer will ever be able to understand.
So if you’re finding the finances tight trying to get three kids through college, let them begin to stand on their own. Combining work and school is NOT a disgrace. Baklava’s right: there’s an element of personal responsibility here.
But then, taking responsibility for one’s own choices, hard work, and self-reliance aren’t qualities the left values very much today, are they?
Comment by Great White Rat @ 4/9/2008 - 1:21 am
I went to City College - part of the CUNY system, New York City’s equivalent to “community colleges”.
You could get a good engineering degree for $700 a semester back in the 1980s.
The CUNY system has enabled waves of Jewish, Italian, Indian, Asian, and African immigrants to make it into the middle class. There are similar opportunities in other communities.
I had a classmate from Senegal - he was working two jobs (security guard and something else), living 2-3 to a room in a rented flat in Brooklyn, and sending money home while going to school and saving for a car.
Another guy from Nigeria had a 6 year plan that started with remedial and math courses in a “community college” that allowed him to transfer to engineering.
(Later in life I worked with a guy from Guyana who got an “engineering technician” degree, and completed a full engineering bachelor’s degree at night while working.)
When we’d split up into groups for laboratory work, the African immigrants would always choose to work with Asian or white students. Never with the American blacks.
One day we asked the Senegalese guy why. The answer:
“Those guys don’t want to work hard, they think it’s all coming to them.”
And in fact some of the American blacks were only in the class because of affirmative action programs, and eventually failed out. Some of them got a clue and went to “community colleges” to start learning what they should have learned in high school. But most of them couldn’t shake the sense of entitlement and get to work.
Comment by Ben-David @ 4/9/2008 - 2:44 am
I’m not trying to play “who has the bigger poor ass story” here. Just laying out my thoughts. And, as responsible parents, everything you have said here I agree with:
And I’m no leftist. I’m a Green Party guy that’s a social conservative. I do appreciate the civil tone in everyone’s reply to me. And I have to admit, you all have given me more to think about.
Comment by T-Steel @ 4/9/2008 - 8:18 am
Great examples of hard work and initiative, Ben-David. And thanks for the reminder about CUNY - you’re right; the education you got there in the 1980’s was quite solid. I’d forgotten about that system.
The bottom line is, if you want to advance, and you’re willing to work hard, you can. And you can do it without demanding a handout.
Comment by Great White Rat @ 4/9/2008 - 8:23 am
And with that, I have nothing more to say.
Comment by T-Steel @ 4/9/2008 - 10:59 am
I didn’t go to college. Did someone say Baklava is willing to pay for me to go?
Comment by G- Monster @ 4/9/2008 - 11:05 am
T Steel asked, “Do they settle for community college?”
YES. YES. YES. THAT’s WHAT I DID !!!
Tsteel wrote, “And a large number of dropouts aren’t due to grades but finances.
Funny how my priorities while earning $10,000 per year allowed me the option of going to community college. Funny how even today I don’t have an HDTV while friends who have less income do. My 10 year old minivan is kept up well and will serve me just fine for years to come. Whatev T!!
You or nobody else is entitled to take from me because you or anybody else has different priorities in life.
Personal responsibility is not a way of giving you an argument that we shouldn’t have a safety net for those who are non-able bodied or elderly.
Stupid should hurt though. People will only make wiser decisions when the government lets stupid hurt.
This housing situation for example is a result of stupidity. People having extra low payments because they got into more house than the could afford using a low introductory variable rate that paid only interest (not principle) and when rates rose so did their payment that they can no longer afford.
Wise americans are supposed to pay for stupid americans????
Go back to paying rent for an apartment is what I say….
Don’t take from me and leave me alone and the market forces will correct itself and america will be better off in the LONG term for it.
Comment by Baklava @ 4/9/2008 - 2:44 pm
Baklava:
This housing situation for example is a result of stupidity. People having extra low payments because they got into more house than the could afford
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Let’s remember that this was enabled by the worst sort of populist, activist, market-setting government policy - sold to the public with a sob-story about those who were “excluded” from a hot real-estate market.
So the normal safeguards against bad credit were circumvented. And now the bad credit will have to work its way through the market - that is, reality wins as it always does, despite wishful government meddling.
Comment by Ben-David @ 4/9/2008 - 4:45 pm
I think it’s a combination of stupid borrowers and stupid lenders. Where’s the risk analysis on the lender’s behalf? I have a few friends who are in bad shape due to adjustable rate mortgages. I wouldn’t lend them a dollar based on their habits. There is still the issue with people losing their jobs leading to foreclosure (as well as the restructuring of our job market) but that’s another topic for another day.
Nothing wrong with rent. My wife and I are renting a house. Yes we COULD (uhh I think) buy but seeing how the market is, have decided to defer. One of the best damn decisions this former jock has made.
Chill Baklava. I already said earlier that y’all gave me alot to think about which basically means I concede. You win, I process. We all get along.
Comment by T-Steel @ 4/9/2008 - 5:08 pm
The paragraph where I talked about leftist values was aimed at the Obamas and others on the left, not at you, but I didn’t make that clear at all. My apologies, T-Steel.
Comment by Great White Rat @ 4/9/2008 - 6:28 pm
T wrote, “Chill Baklava. I already said earlier that y’all gave me alot to think about which basically means I concede. You win, I process. We all get along. ”
Yeah. I didn’t get that far in my reading…. Sorry
I will always no matter how punitive the government gets try to succeed, save and do the right thing. But it sure is upsetting to see people who don’t save, have more toys than I and consume more (therefore adding more CO2 to the atmosphere) vote for more for themselves in the future at the expense of everyone else… not realizing that government administrative costs and a distortion to the market place occurs at the same time.
Capitalism defined is the people choosing who gets what resources.
Socialism is the government choosing who gets what resources.
Yes, America has a mixture because the government chooses in a lot of sectors who gets what resources but it is at the expense of the market place and efficiency (cost). I can’t remember the town but there is a town in New Jersey who for years had bad water until they privatized the water system to a company. Costs are lower, the water is cleaner and the residents are happier. If the company doesn’t do the job right they can be held accountable. How do you hold the government accountable???? The people will generally try to do the right thing. Companies are entities controlled by people and yes there are some bad apples. But remember this…. taxes on companies are essentially passed on to the people. ONLY PEOPLE PAY TAXES…. ENTITIES/Companies only pass costs to the consumers/people..
Class warfare helps nobody. Able bodied people need to learn a new code of ethics for a better future.
Comment by Baklava @ 4/9/2008 - 6:43 pm