The narrative starts: Hateful conservatives to blame for Knoxville shooting

Posted by: Sister Toldjah on July 28, 2008 at 6:58 pm

Oh boy. Here we go again. Just like we saw after the Oklahama City bombings w/ President Bill Clinton blaming “hate radio,” we’re seeing today from an assortment of deluded lefties a clear implication – and in some cases outright accusal – that the shooter who gunned down 8 at a Unitarian church in Knoxville, TN, killing 2, who was a fan of Sean Hannity and other popular right wing pundits was your typical ‘angry conservative just willing to explode into a fit of blinding rage.’

Heck, the KnoxNews itself gets in on the act here:

Police found right-wing political books, brass knuckles, empty shotgun shell boxes and a handgun in the Powell home of a man who said he attacked a church in order to kill liberals “who are ruining the country,” court records show.

Knoxville police Sunday evening searched the Levy Drive home of Jim David Adkisson after he allegedly entered the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church and killed two people and wounded six others during the presentation of a children’s musical.

Knoxville Police Department Officer Steve Still requested the search warrant after interviewing Adkisson. who was subdued by several church members after firing three rounds from a 12-gauge shotgun into the congregation.

Adkisson targeted the church, Still wrote in the document obtained by WBIR-TV, Channel 10, “because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country’s hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of media outlets.”

Obviously, this is a tragedy, and instead of trying to engage the far left in a discussion about the history of left wing terrorism (scroll) (since they seem hell-bent on painting all conservatives as nothing but right wing terrorists in training), let me just say that my thoughts and prayers go out to the victims. Thankfully Adkisson was tackled before he could shoot any more people.

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  1. ChenZhen says:

    A not-so-Great-American that certainly sounds like he’s been Hannitized though.

  2. Jeff Harvey says:

    A not-so-Great-American that certainly sounds like he’s been Hannitized though.

    Funny, I never heard Sean Hannity advocate shooting up churches.

  3. ChenZhen says:

    Funny, I never heard Sean Hannity advocate shooting up churches.

    Well, I didn’t say that, but perhaps Hannity shouldn’t leave the meaning of the “Stop the Radical Obama Express” open to interpretation.

  4. Chen, that you would think that Hannity should have to even remotely “explain” such an innocent comment just shows how stupid you believe conservatives are. Apparently we should have to add on “explanations” for everything we say, so the knuckle-draggers won’t get the wrong idea, right?

  5. JWF says:

    I see the odious ChenZhen has slithered in to offer his pearls of wisdom.

  6. ChenZhen says:

    ST-

    Sorry I forgot the sarc tag.

    But, I should probably have prefaced what I said with the disclaimer that I listen to righty radio pundits like Hannity on a daily basis. I’m an addict (or perhaps I figure I have nothing better to listen to on my work/home commutes). And you don’t have to listen for too long to come to the conclusion that our local KTLK here is basically a dawn til dusk bash-fest of everything liberal. In fact, if one’s only source of information were this station, it isn’t unreasonable to assume that there would be a few people out there who really would believe that liberals were the devil incarnate, and eventually act on it.

    JWF-

    But with all this wisdom, I can’t for the life of me determine which “Derangement Syndrome” afflicts Mr. Adkisson, so I’ll leave that up to you.

  7. Jo Graham says:

    Makes you think of Columbine. . . how the mediots love to take something and turn it into a fiasco and down play the act for the motive.
    My heart goes out to the families of the victims and the church. This callous action has damaged that church family for a long time to come.
    Makes you think are people safe anywhere?

  8. Great White Rat says:

    Well, under Chen’s theory, we should have already arrested al-Gore for his part in inspiring the Unibomber, right? After all, old Ted did keep a treasured copy of “Earth in the Balance” in his cabin.

    But I’m sure Chen will see that differently. The left tolerates hate and violence as long as it’s directed at the right targets – see Obama’s friend Bill Ayers as Exhibit A.

  9. Mwalimu Daudi says:

    Well, under Chen’s theory, we should have already arrested al-Gore for his part in inspiring the Unibomber, right?

    One could also add ecoterrorist groups to that list. Or are they “insurgents”, in which case we must withdraw within 16 months and seek a political instead of military solution?

  10. ChenZhen says:

    GWR-

    An odd straw man, since Kaczynski, IIRC, railed against leftists in his manifesto.

  11. The Rude Dog says:

    LINK

    Michelle Malkin linked a bit where this guy doesn’t like Christians either.

    Too bad he is the only guy in the country liberals can beat in an argument.

  12. Great White Rat says:

    Stop the disingenuous nonsense, Chen. Kaczynski’s disdain for the left, IIRC, is that they weren’t violent enough for him, not that he disagreed with their aims.

    And you might want to look up “straw man” before you try to apply it. It fits the current scenario perfectly. Your rationale is this: Adkisson listened to Hannity, therefore Hannity is somehow responsible for Adkisson’s actions. All I did was apply your own poor attempt at reasoning to the Unibomber case to illustrate the absurdity of your position. Apparently you’re the only one who didn’t get the point.

  13. yo says:

    Let’s face it. If the shooter were a lefty, and unrepentent, then Obama might just have dinner with him and consult with him on his campaign, right? Well, he did with Bill Ayers.
    Let’s always find the posative.
    Well, what this means is that a full scale assault on Obama regarding Bill Ayers is FAIR PLAY. :d

  14. ChenZhen says:

    GWR-

    You attributed the notion that I sought to have Hannity (etc.) arrested to my argument, which I clearly never suggested. But just in case, I looked up straw man:

    A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent’s position.[1] To “set up a straw man” or “set up a straw man argument” is to describe a position that superficially resembles an opponent’s actual view but is easier to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent (for example, deliberately overstating the opponent’s position).[1] A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it carries little or no real evidential weight, because the opponent’s actual argument has not been refuted.

    Yep, you made a straw man. And like I said, an odd one at that.

  15. Mwalimu Daudi says:

    Don’t you get it GWR? People who kill liberals are terrorists and must be punished to the fullest extent of the law. People who knew people who kill liberals must be punished to the fullest extent of the law. People who were standing nearby must be punished to the fullest extent of the law. In fact – round up the usual suspects! It’s all very simple.

    Whereas people who kill women, children, Muslims, Christians, soldiers, civilians, old, young, etc. in the name of Allah, peace, the environment etc. are insurgents and freedom fighters who must be vetted, consulted, and (whenever possible) surrendered to in a 16-month timetable for withdraw. William Ayers is a presidential advisor and a hero, while Jim David Adkisson is a monster. People who kill abortion doctors in America are murders programmed personally by Sean Hannity (MUHAHAHAHAHA!) while people who kill doctors, lawyers, craftsmen, engineers, etc. in China, Cambodia, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, etc. are Heroes of the Revolution and our moral and intellectual betters. Jot this down GWR so I don’t have to set you straight again.

    Whoever kills in the name of a cause favored by liberals is worthy of worship. Whoever kills in the name of a cause liberals hate is a fiend. Got it, GWR?

  16. yo says:

    Remember Reginald Denny?
    Let me refresh your memory. He was the guy that was pulled out of his car and was hit in the head with a brick at close range, and it was all caught on tape. LA riots.
    Does anyone remember what the liberal establishment said about it at the time? Well, as you can imagine, it’s quite different than what they are saying in this incident. Of course the perp was one of them,and that makes the whole thing justified.

  17. Great White Rat says:

    Chen, you implied that Hannity was responsible for Adkisson’s crimes (“hannitized”). I simply took your fumbling nonsense to the next logical step. If someone’s actively responsible for a crime, then arrest should follow, no? Would it make you feel better if I said Gore should be held RESPONSIBLE for Kaczinski? Bottom line is, it’s not superficial at all. The analogy was spot on, you’re just choosing to quibble about a word or two to avoid answering the main question. How very much in character for the average leftist.

    MD, thanks for setting me straight. I now see the truth, as my enlightened betters like Chen see it. He will not have to send me to one of his re-education camps. ^:)^

    Otherwise, I might think yo had a couple of good points… :d

  18. ChenZhen says:

    *sigh*

    “Hannitized” is a term that Hannity uses on his own show. In fact, its in the intro every single day (the stated objective is to “Hannitize the vote”). On the surface, I suppose its a made-up term that means influenced by Hannity. So, when I read in Adkisson’s manifesto that he did this because “he felt that the Democrats had tied his country’s hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of media outlets.”, I meant it in the context that he had simply drunken the kool-aid (as per aforementioned stated objective). In that sense, he’d been “Hannitized”. An important distinction from suggesting that Hannity actually advocated violence or was responsible for the actions of this guy (which again, is a claim I didn’t make). It was more or less an observation based on the fact that I’m familiar with the rhetoric of the pundits in question, and I saw a match. In any case, your “next logical step” is unfounded (and is basically a goal post move by definition anyway).

    But just to be clear, I’m not one of these people who believes that music lyrics, video games, comics, etc. should be held responsible for the violence in America. I grew up in the 80’s loathing the PMRC that wanted to censor all of my favorite music, after all. Hannity should enjoy all the same free speech rights as anyone else. So I guess what I’m saying there is, even though one can predict that there are going to be a few crazies out there that will act on some of this stuff, I’m not willing to toss the 1st amendment out the window because of it.

  19. Roz says:

    But just to be clear, I’m not one of these people who believes that music lyrics, video games, comics, etc. should be held responsible for the violence in America. I grew up in the 80’s loathing the PMRC that wanted to censor all of my favorite music, after all. Hannity should enjoy all the same free speech rights as anyone else. So I guess what I’m saying there is, even though one can predict that there are going to be a few crazies out there that will act on some of this stuff, I’m not willing to toss the 1st amendment out the window because of it.

    So wrote ChenZen and I agree. We can’t BLAME talk show for a crazy person. But perhaps TASTE can come back a bit w/o ad hominem. For instance, take a look at Mark Twain on the Phillipines. If you’re going to be entertaining you don’t need to call people names, you simply have to be talented and clever with words.

  20. Great White Rat says:

    An important distinction from suggesting that Hannity actually advocated violence or was responsible for the actions of this guy (which again, is a claim I didn’t make).

    Weasel words if there ever were. Your meaning was clear – there’s a connection between being ‘hannitized’ and gunning down people in a church. Feeble denials won’t help your case, not here. Maybe you might want to go peddle your hate for conservatives on Kos. I’m sure they’ll have a good laugh at your spewings.

  21. Ok, lady and gents, I know it’s not an old thread but I think it’s time to close it. Any questions, please email me. Thx.