How is the VA abortion law “like rape” when abortion is VOLUNTARY?

Posted by: ST on February 20, 2012 at 6:42 pm

Back story, via Jimmie Bise:

Just when you thought the abortion debate couldn’t get any more silly and shrill, here comes the pro-abortion crew, screaming into the breach created by a new law in Virginia. First, let me hip you to the law itself. What the state did was to modify an already existing law regarding what abortion providers must do prior to providing an abortion. Here is the meat of the modification.

Except in the case of a medical emergency, at least 2 hours before the performance of an abortion a qualified medical professional trained in sonography and working under the direct supervision of a physician licensed in the Commonwealth shall perform fetal ultrasound imaging and auscultation of fetal heart tone services on the patient undergoing the abortion for the purpose of determining gestational age. The ultrasound image shall be made pursuant to standard medical practice in the community, contain the dimensions of the fetus, and accurately portray the presence of external members and internal organs of the fetus, if present or viewable.

Pretty simple, right? Before an abortion, barring any emergency, the clinic has to have an actual physician oversee a routine sonogram — note here that the law does not demand any particular type of sonogram — and give the patent the opportunity to see the results of that sonogram and hear the fetal heartbeat. That’s it.

And yet, the abortion lobby — the people who derive their living from providing, promoting, or extracting money from taxpayers for abortions — have decided to make it a big deal.

Seriously. I’m seeing headline after headline on the left about ultrasounds being “vaginal probes” that are conducted “against women’s wills” for “no medical reason.” (As if bioethics don’t constitute a medical reason.)

They are making it sound, in their phrasing, like an ultrasound is somehow comparable to rape, and Dahlia Lithwick makes the comparison explicit. Jezebel pretends that the rationale is not a bioethical one—a way for society to slow things down, see if we can think abortions through—but rather that the girl or woman has already been penetrated by the male sexual organ, which of course has nothing to do with it.

So there you go. Now a routine medical test that doesn’t have to involve a “vaginal probe” is comparable to rape because…

The obvious question to all this is the one I used for the headline of this post: How is this law “like rape” when abortion is voluntary whereas rape obviously is not?  How is a “vaginal probe” ultrasound “like rape” when you have the option not to have the “vaginal probe” done?!

I’d like to be able to use the excuse that liberal “womyn” who make such arguments by suggesting they are stuck on stupid but in reality every “feminist” who has asserted this nonsense knows the truth.  It’s just a manufactured PR scare tactic used by The Usual Suspects to paint people who actually want to save the lives of the unborn as “extremists”, all the while trying to maintain their absurd facade as “the voice of mainstream women of America” – in spite of the fact that abortion itself is a grossly (literally) extreme act condoned and encouraged by these so-called “mainstream voices of American women.”   They know that if their cheap, orchestrated, deliberate attempts at misinforming Virginia voters about this bill work, they might be able to get a few of  VA GOP legislators booted out of office come election time and maybe, just maybe they can have the law repealed or modified shortly thereafter.

Or something like that.

But the truth is, as always, important here – especially on an issue as morally imperative as the safety and well-being of the unborn.

Here are a few more truths, while we’re at it:

-Unless a woman IS raped, having unprotected sex with a man is a  VOLUNTARY CHOICE.

-If she allows the man to have sex with her without him being protected and without protecting herself, she has made the CHOICE to risk pregnancy.

-Having voluntary unprotected sex is more likely to result in an “unwanted pregnancy” than having voluntary protected sex (which is also a CHOICE).

-Under modified Virginia law, before a woman has an abortion she has a CHOICE as to which type of ultrasound to have .

-She is not FORCED to have a “vaginal probe ultrasound.”

-More importantly, she is not FORCED to have an abortion at all! It is her “CHOICE”!

-Because of the very real possibility that a woman in Virginia who wants to have an abortion might change her mind after having the ultrasound done, *extremist* feminists  have deliberately played the “GOP wants to rape my v*gina!” card because in reality they’re not really about “choice” when the “choice” made by the pregnant woman is to have the baby.  This is also why the oppose sensible laws mandating a 24 hour waiting period for women who want to have an abortion.  Trust me, if this law in any way made having an abortion easier – even if it DID “mandate vaginal probes” – they would have no issue with it whatsoever.

-Lastly, need I remind any of you feminist geniuses out there that most abortion procedures involve some type of “vaginal probe” anyway??? Hello!?

Need I say more?

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10 Responses to “How is the VA abortion law “like rape” when abortion is VOLUNTARY?”


  1. MarkJ says:

    Q: What’s the difference between a terrorist and an abortion advocate?

    A: You can negotiate with a terrorist.

  2. JCitizen says:

    Sorry, but this is one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen.

    You may disapprove of abortion, but it is legal. You really think it is alright for the government to demand that you be penetrated vaginally, against your will, as a condition to be allowed to do something that is perfectly legal to do in the first place?

    Maybe we should require a colonoscopy as a condition of, oh lets say, purchasing a gun (y’know, just to make sure that your head is not in the wrong place when acquiring a deadly weapon).

    Or we could demand that you have your private parts fondled as a condition of taking an airline flight. Funny, but I have heard a lot of people objecting to that, and they werent just hysterical “womyn”

    Guess what? Buying a gun and taking a flight are VOLUNTARY. I guess that means, by your logic, that whatever the government proposes to do with your body as a condition of engaging in those activities is perfectly ok.

    Women have a right to have an abortion. If they so choose, but then are forced, against their will, to submit to vaginal penetration – for no valid medical reason whatsoever – that is very obviously rape. Plain and simple.

  3. JCitizen says:

    -Lastly, need I remind any of you feminist geniuses out there that most abortion procedures involve some type of “vaginal probe” anyway??? Hello!?

    Do you really not understand the concept of consent??? Really?

    Its a rather central concept in any discussion of rape, y’know.

    If a woman chooses to have a medical procedure done that entails vaginal probe, then she is consenting to the probe. If the government forces her to have a totally unnecessary penetration, against her will, then she is not consenting.

    I cannot believe that you can be intelligent enough to figure out how to get out of bed in the morning and not understand this rather obvious point.

  4. Drew the Infidel says:

    In this day and age having unprotected sex, whether male or female, requires a hell of a lot more bravery than any routine medical procedure such as a sonogram. What’s in your wallet?

  5. Marty says:

    You can have responsible, protected sex and still get pregnant. The failure rate for the Pill is one percent and for condoms only, ten percent. The law of averages tells you many will get AB unpleasant surprise.

    Ultrasound on such an early-stage fetus, when many people do not even consider human life to have begun, requires ultrasound through penetration. The Virginia law would require this even if the woman doesn’t want it.

    Let’s see: penetration without consent. I think there’s a word for that…

  6. Me says:

    You people really are terrified that once a women hears the heartbeat or sees a fetus with organs and everything, the womam may MAKE THE CHOICE to not have the abortion. More evidence that pro-“choice” isn’t that, it’s pro-abortion. Why do you people get so mad when the CHOICE made is not the choice you would make? (Guess it’s a good thing that female fetus’ aren’t “penetrated” during an abortion. Of course, they’re cut up into little pieces, sucked out of their mother and put in a haz-mat bag, but you know, at least they aren’t being “penetrated”.

  7. James says:

    JCitizen, yours is “one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen.”

  8. MarkV says:

    The actual abortion itself seems closer to the definition of rape to me, although I guess the fetus is probably the only one not doing it voluntarily :o(

  9. Keith Edwards says:

    The argument that the woman consents to the vaginal penetration of abortion instruments but not to those of the ultrasound breaks down if you realize that, under the new law, the ultrasound is a required part of the abortion. The new Virginia abortion procedure is 1) ultrasound, 2) kill baby. If the woman consents to that, how can someone call it rape?

  10. jon says:

    Pregnancy does not only occur as a result of unprotected sex. Contraception is not 100% effective. There are times when women choose to have sex but the contraception fails.