Wut? #Obama2012 pins rebound hopes on Joe Biden’s debate performance

Posted by: ST on October 8, 2012 at 6:32 pm

Please try not to laugh at this (via Memeorandum):

WASHINGTON — President Obama’s campaign is working feverishly to restore its momentum after a lackluster debate performance last week, an effort that began with a conference call 10 minutes before the debate even ended and led to new advertisements, a rewritten stump speech, a carefully timed leak and a reversal of months-old strategy.

Perhaps most important as the president’s team struggles to put his campaign back on track is a renewed effort to win the three remaining debates, starting with Thursday’s face-off between Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Representative Paul D. Ryan. Mr. Biden began traveling to a Delaware hotel on Sunday for three days of debate camp.

Under the tutelage of David Axelrod, the president’s chief strategist who is personally overseeing the preparations, Mr. Biden will be counseled on how to avoid Mr. Obama’s mistakes and even correct them with a more aggressive prosecution of the Republican ticket. Mr. Axelrod’s involvement highlights the stakes the Obama campaign places on the debate, and Mr. Biden has been reading “Young Guns,” the book co-written by Mr. Ryan, and practicing attack lines that Mr. Obama avoided.


In rehearsals, Representative Chris Van Hollen, a Maryland Democrat who is playing Mr. Ryan, has mimicked what he considered the Republican’s staccato speaking style and penchant for slashing arguments wrapped in a smile. “I expect the vice president to come at me like a cannonball,” Mr. Ryan told The Weekly Standard.

Mr. Biden’s advisers view Mr. Ryan as a walking encyclopedia of numbers and policy and hope he might get lost in the weeds. “The key is to be able to cut through the numbers that often don’t make sense,” said Mr. Van Hollen. Also crucial is helping Mr. Biden tame his own loquacious nature and proclivity for gaffes.

*snicker* ;))

Look, I’m not making any predictions about how the Thursday night debate will go – but I just think it’s hilarious that the Obama campaign is riding high hopes on gaffe-tastic Joe riding to the rescue, when he has been responsible for so many goofs that the campaign and the administration have had to either dodge, explain their way out of, or spin.

What I do anticipate for Thursday night is a debate at least on the level of the Palin/Biden debate, spirited, with a few zingers, and maybe both candidates looking a touch flustered a time or two – with the end result being a draw or one having a slight edge (I REALLY hope Ryan crushes Biden, but I’m not going to get overly confident). But I do NOT expect this debate to suddenly reverse the progress made by Romney’s performance in the first Presidential debate.

Your thoughts?

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14 Responses to “Wut? #Obama2012 pins rebound hopes on Joe Biden’s debate performance”


  1. BBHunter says:

    – Well, so far ST, Hair plugs has been “the gift that keeps on giving”. The only question for me is how long it will take for Biden to go off script and land in the typical gaffe briar patch where he has his own permanent parking space. That, and how will they be able to coach him with a dog muzzle on?

    – At the same time its a lose, lose, because when you think about it, the better Biden does the worse Obama’s performance will look in retrospect, and the more pressure ~O~ will have in the remaining debates.

    – The players in the Consulate disaster are starting to talk, as well as the whistle blowers in F&F, so the debates are just a part of the Wonce’s problems.

  2. Phineas says:

    There’s no way Joe will avoid talking off the cuff. I remember his debate with Sarah Palin: he wandered off into such a fantasyland, I’m surprised she didn’t ask him what on Earth he was talking about.

    Unlike Sarah, who was new to the national scene, Ryan will no doubt shred Biden with his deep knowledge of federal policy.

  3. R Cynic says:

    Remember, however, that Biden hasn’t much to lose. He doesn’t care if he comes off as rude or obnoxious – he will hammer Ryan with DNC talking points, but will refuse to back down.

    Obama can and will throw him under the next bus, should he become any more of a liability. The village idiot can be replaced by nearly anyone.

    Won’t be Hillary, though, because she’s counting on Romney doing the job of eliminating Obama, something she couldn’t get done in 2008.

    Obama has set America up for a huge fall, but it will be Romney who takes the blame for not getting things done. Enter Hillary in 2016…God, I hate American politics…

  4. KCRob says:

    About 55 seconds in.

  5. Using David Axelrod as a debate coach for Biden hoping for positive results is the same as wearing snowshoes and dribbling a basketball through a minefield. Every interview Axelrod does on TV is full of the usual non sequiturs and philosophical embellishments that blight the reasoning ability of ideological zealots.

  6. Great White Rat says:

    I would not get too overconfident. Ryan will have the details, and the facts, but I’d expect the Biden will be much more agressive than Obama was last week. Who wins a political debate isn’t so much a question of who has the better arguments as who controls the discussion.

    Romney won because he explained his positions clearly and Obama was on the defensive about his miserable record all night. Ryan will also need to take the offensive and keep Biden fumbling for excuses for the administration’s failures. If he doesn’t, and lets Biden go on the attack, the media will rush to declare Slow Joe the winner.

  7. Jack Deth says:


    The situation must really be bad if Zero is going to depend on ‘Plus’ Biden. :d

  8. Brad Ervin says:

    ‘It’s not the people who vote that count, it’s the people who count the votes’ (Stalin)

    It’s the media that counts the score in the debates. Remember, by their accounting it was Biden that won not Sarah Palin. And it was Sarah Palin that is reportedly the dumb one with no grasp on the facts.

    The “facts” will be judged from their point of view, not yours (ours). If ol Joe is still standing he will be the winner but if Ryan KO’s him it will be Ryan that will be seen as mean & nasty.

    You can say whatever you want after the debate but you will be drowned out by the fawning media. After all, you don’t mess with Joe (sarcasm)

    It isn’t the people that make the news that counts, it the people that report the news.

  9. Kate in MI says:

    do you know how painful it is to spew hot coffee out your nose after reading that headline?!?
    took me several minutes to clean up the keyboard and desk.
    then my stomach hurt from laughing so much.
    pinning their rebound hopes on Joe Biden?!?
    that’s like pinning your hopes on a salt shaker after ramming an iceberg with the Titanic…
    thanks for starting my morning out with a good laugh!

  10. John Casteel says:

    I remember clearly Biden talking very confidently and making all kinds of claims in the Palin debate, many of which were, let’s say, factually challenged. Given Ryan’s command of information, I think it will be quite possible that he will call Biden on it on the spot and that Slow Joe may have trouble rationalizing some statements with the facts. And that is one possible way that the event could have ramifications beyond simply who wins or loses. Otherwise, and maybe more likely, the event will be good entertainment with little impact.

  11. RoadieFan says:

    LOL…..isn’t depending on Joe Biden to save the campaign a bit like asking the iceberg to help the Titanic stop sinking?

    BTW…we miss ya back at the forums….;)

  12. Carlos says:

    Pinning their re-election hopes on Slo Joe is like hoping a major league pitcher will bat in the .400s – it just ain’t gonna happen!

    That said, the media will spin the debate until it is totally unrecognizable, no matter who actually “wins” because they have such a heavy investment in keeping the circus clowns in the ring.

    Ryan would do well to take the offensive, but not be offensive about it. Simply stating numbers will allow Slo Joe to “win” in that the current veep won’t put people to sleep, and Ryan’s quoting numbers all night will. Ryan would do better to emphasize the effect those numbers have on people than to just drone on.

  13. RevConwell says:

    There is just no way that Biden comes off as the “Obama-white-horse of rescue” after this debate. Ryan needs merely to get Joe off-script and he will do himself in. That is, unless someone in the Obama camp has electrodes attached to certain sensitive parts of Joe’s anatomy. Otherwise, Joe is his own worst enemy and all Paul Ryan has to do is tap into that well of gaffs. ;)