Joe Biden: If you want to defend yourself against an intruder, all you need is a shotgun

Posted by: ST on February 19, 2013 at 6:45 pm

Via HuffPo:

WASHINGTON — Vice President Joe Biden said Tuesday that there’s no reason that people should need to own an assault weapon. They’re hard to aim, they’re difficult to use. But shotguns, well, that’s a different story.

During a Facebook Town Hall hosted by Parents magazine, Biden took a handful of questions from readers about gun violence. One questioner named Kate asked how gun owners would be able to sufficiently protect themselves if Congress passed a bill banning certain weapons and high-capacity gun magazines.

“Kate, if you want to protect yourself, get a double barreled shotgun,” Biden responded. “I promise you, as I told my wife, we live in an area that’s wooded and somewhat secluded. I said, Jill, if there’s ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out, put [up] that double barreled shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.”

The vice president said that by firing two shotgun blasts, anyone who might be trying to break in would be scared off.

“You don’t need an AR-15,” he said. “Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!”

Forget that! There are so many scenarios where a shotgun simply wouldn’t work. What about a .38 special? Or are they next on the list to ban, too? This guy’s insane. But at least not as off the wall as Colorado state Rep. Joe Salazar (D), who has had to walk back dangerously outrageous comments he made on the floor of the Colorado House of Representatives regarding women, rape, and self defense:

The video of a Democratic lawmaker talking about rape while debating a gun bill involving college campuses has gone viral, with Republicans and Second Amendment activists likening Rep. Joe Salazar to failed Senate candidate Todd Akin.

The freshman lawmaker from Thornton apologized Monday, agreeing his comment was inartful but saying he’s not the “boorish, macho, Neanderthal Latino” conservatives are making him out to be.

During debate of House Bill 1226, which outlaws concealed-carry permit holders from carrying in university buildings, Salazar said he was trying to make the point about the potential for misidentifying someone and possibly shooting the wrong person.

“It’s why we have call boxes, it’s why we have safe zones, it’s why we have the whistles. Because you just don’t know who you’re gonna be shooting at,” Salazar remarked in the debate late Friday.

“And you don’t know if you feel like you’re gonna be raped, or if you feel like someone’s been following you around or if you feel like you’re in trouble when you may actually not be, that you pop out that gun and you pop … pop a round at somebody.”


Salazar issued a written apology Monday after he was ridiculed and ripped in blogs and on Twitter.
“We were having a public policy debate on whether or not guns makes people safer on campus. I don’t believe they do,” he said. “That was the point I was trying to make. “If anyone thinks I’m not sensitive to the dangers women face, they’re wrong. I am a husband and father of two beautiful girls, and I’ve spent the last decade defending women’s rights as a civil rights attorney.”

Which is not really an apology but whatever. Nice to know where he “stands” – and that’s against women being able to protect themselves from rape using anything other than a “whistle” and a “safe zone.” #HeadDesk

But I digress. Continuing on with Biden’s remarks:

Biden fielded a handful of other questions about gun reform proposals. He said he doesn’t support making changes to the Second Amendment and described America’s “really healthy gun culture,” which was a “part of my father’s ethic.” He clarified to another questioner that nobody wants to take away people’s guns.

Might want to tell that to Missourians, pal:

Democrats in Missouri introduced startling anti-gun legislation that would require gun owners to hand over their legally purchased so-called “assault weapons”  to “the appropriate law enforcement agency for destruction” within 90 days.

Under the proposed bill, “Any person who, prior to the effective date of this law, was legally in possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine shall have ninety days from such effective date to do any of the following without being subject to prosecution.”

Here are some additional provisions found in the gun control bill:

(1) Remove the assault weapon or large capacity magazine from the state of Missouri;

(2) Render the assault weapon permanently inoperable; or

(3) Surrender the assault weapon or large capacity magazine to the appropriate law enforcement agency for destruction, subject to specific agency regulations.


5. Unlawful manufacture, import, possession, purchase, sale, or transfer of an assault weapon or a large capacity magazine is a class C felony.

So essentially the law would turn a law-abiding gun owner today, into a felon tomorrow.

State Reps. Rory Ellinger (D-86) and Jill Schupp (D-88) reportedly introduced the anti-gun legislation, House Bill 545, this week.

A similar piece of legislation is being  discussed in California, where gun laws are notoriously strict and where they are already allowed to forcibly confiscate guns from convicted criminals who have lost their right to own them under California law:

A California law that allows authorities to track down gun owners who lost their legal rights to keep their weapons — and then confiscate those firearms — is being heralded as a model for the nation, according to one media report.

The state, which maintains an Armed Prohibited Persons list, is home to more 19,700 gun owners who aren’t allowed to legally possess their firearms, the state’s attorney general said in an United International Press report. The gun owners, the report continues, were once legal carriers but then lost their rights after committing crimes.

And perhaps soon, in states like Colorado and California, you won’t even have to have committed a crime to have your firearm of choice confiscated – other than the crime of being a law-abiding, rules-following gun owner.

Would someone alert Joe Biden, please? I’d hate for the feds to one day take away his shotguns.  Oh wait, that’s right. That won’t happen, because there are always exceptions made for The Important People. The little folks, on the other hand …

Related: Via Twitchy Team –  Who needs a gun? University of Colorado advises women to scream, vomit, fake a disease to avoid rape

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12 Responses to “Joe Biden: If you want to defend yourself against an intruder, all you need is a shotgun”


  1. Inquiring minds want to know:

    1. What is Joe Biden’s record of military service, especially infantry?

    2. Has that Salazar jackwad ever heard of Virginia Tech?

    3. Have the legislators in MO and CA never heard of the Second and Fourth Amendments (right to keep and bear arms and proscriptions against unreasonable search and seizures)?

  2. Carlos says:

    Biden is and has been a tedious joke since long before becoming Duh-1’s foil, so nothing he says has any merit whatsoever and deserves exactly zero comment.

    Salazar, on the other hand, was close in his description of what conservatives think of him, but not right on target: “…but saying he’s not the “boorish, macho, Neanderthal pseudo-elitist Latino” conservatives are making him out to be.”

    (BTW, he’s still a boorish, although politically correct, misogynous pig, and fits what I perceive as the proper translation of the word “macho”: “stupid.”)

    There. That’s closer to the truth. And like Drew calls him, he is an archetypal jackwad that has no concept of what it’s like to love the United States of America. He only loves and pines for that shining city on a hill, his beloved Mexico. Or Guatemala. Or El Salvador. Or wherever, south of the border. Wherever it is, he’d still be a jackwad there, too.

  3. kaiser Norton says:

    When police respond to an incident where they may be required to draw their weapons, they arrive with a AR-15 and a semi-automatic handgun, both with a high capicity magazine. If I ever need to draw one of my firearms to defend myself or others, why shouldn’t I have the same defensive capability?

  4. Tom TB says:

    This guy is over top! Advising his wife to blast off both barrels of a 12 gauge into the darkness, without defining the target, and KNOWING what’s behind it? Where did this nut come from??

  5. To hell with a “twice-barrel choot gun” as the Cajuns are wont to say. Savage Arms’ website offers a nice variety of 7-shot capable “security shotguns” which are simply pump action 12 ga. shotguns with a shortened barrel, like the cops use. In Vietnam they were known as “riot guns” and fired flechettes or metal darts, the ammo of choice in brushy or jungle terrain. Don’t tell anyone, but one model features a pistol grip. They go for about $350.

  6. Carlos says:

    Yeah, Drew, a seven-short short barrel would probably work until the cops got there the next day, at least in most cases, but I’d still rather rely on a Glock.

  7. Jen says:

    Hey, but wait. Bob Beckel says that rape never happens on college campuses, so I think I will move to one and never have to worry about rapists or bad guys again.

  8. Carlos says:

    Good luck with that, Jen. (Yes, I know it was sarcasm, but I’d wager there are some leftwing nuts out there that are drooling over that prospect.)

    You see, being the hotbeds of liberalism they are in general, one could just about graph the increase in both gun violence and violence against women on and around campuses around the country and note the highest discrepancies between campus violence and violence in the society in general to be centered on or near especially state-run colleges/universities.

    Just a guess on my part, understand, but an educated one and one that the libs will either never delve into or ignore the findings if they do (and my guess is they have and won’t publish the studies.)

  9. Peter says:

    Biden is Wrong!! The best home defense is a PUMP shotgun …….3/5
    or 7 shot. Just the sound of a round being shucked into the chamber is enough to make an evil person crap his pants. A shotgun will NOT go through the house walls and hurt someone next door, or down the block. A good back up to your 12 ga shotgun would be a nice .40 cal Glock, Sig Sauer, etc.etc.
    Pump shotgun safety could easily be taught to adult household members, and is easy to use…..unlike a handgun that takes some firearm proficiency. STAY SAFE

  10. Great White Rat says:

    What. An. Idiot.

    OK, reality check time here. Anyone here ever fire a shotgun? Say, a .12 gauge, for example? If you don’t, let me tell you, the recoil on that is nasty. If you’re not holding it right, it can give you one hell of a pain in your shoulder.

    So what’s going to happen if you have a petite young woman being menaced by a rapist, and she grabs the shotgun? If she doesn’t have time to properly position it, and isn’t well trained in the use of it (notice Biden said nothing about learning how to use it, only to get it), she had better hope she fells him with the first shot, because otherwise she’s going to be defenseless and dealing with a shoulder that’ll feel like it’s been torn off.

  11. Carlos says:

    And note that Slo Joe doesn’t say whether to fire both barrels at once or separately, so I can just see some 98 pound darlin’ (or even some 250 pound darlin’) pulling both barrels at once! Good luck with that, even if it’s “only” a 16 gauge.

    When I was in high school (not long after the invention of the slingshot), I was out doing dumb things and decided to pull both barrels of the 16 gauge I was using at the time. (Thankfully, I had left my 12 gauge home.) I positioned the butt against my shoulder properly because it had a pretty good kick anyway, but that sucker nearly knocked me over, and I wasn’t real small then, either.

    Yeah, a short-barrel pump shotgun (not too short – that’d be illegal in a lot of places) would be part of the answer, but like GWR and Peter I wouldn’t want to rely on that alone.

  12. Ryan says:


    While I agree that 12-ga pump is a fine home defense weapon, it certainly can put a nice hole in a wall depending on the shells you use.