The “Rummy lied!!!!!! about knowing where the WMD are” cry finally put to bed

Thank you, Wretchard.

On a related note, Gateway Pundit has a post up about Ray McGovern (whose statements Wretchard disects in the above link) and why he’s a new hero for the anti-war left – one who they will be singing praises for for weeks until they find a new Bush-hating hero to leech onto.

(Hat tip: Joe’s Dartblog via Instapundit)

Also blogging about this: UNCoRRELATED

19 Responses to "The “Rummy lied!!!!!! about knowing where the WMD are” cry finally put to bed"

andrew says:

May 7, 2006 at 3:18 pm

What does it matter who heckled rummy? Rummy said “we know where they are.” He can’t run away from that.
Severian says:

May 7, 2006 at 3:23 pm

Clueless as usual Andrew…

Go read the referenced blog entries, if you have any care for facts instead of ideologically driven partisan, leftist hysteria, and you’ll see where that quote actually came from, and that it’s completely taken out of context. That’s something the left just loves, and the MSM practices daily, distortion thru misquoting.
Severian says:

May 7, 2006 at 3:27 pm

And it does matter who “heckled” him. Too often, as in most of the time, the MSM heaps praise on these anti-American idiots without revealing their true colors and the depths of their luncacy and leftist leanings. McGovern is not a competent, level headed CIA analyst, he’s a barking, anti-Semitic moonbat, who believes in violating your oaths of secrecy whenever it please you, and believes in the most inane conspiracy theories. Unfortunately, this is true of most of the “heroes” the MSM holds up as proof that the evil Bush and neocons are all bad eggs bent on global destruction. Most of these people aren’t competent or sane enough to be let out in public without supervision.
andrew says:

May 7, 2006 at 8:56 pm

“and you’ll see where that quote actually came from, and that it’s completely taken out of context.”

I know where it came from. It came from him sayign he knew were the WMD’s where. He didn’t.
Severian says:

May 7, 2006 at 9:22 pm

ROFL Andrew!!! You’re well on your way to taking over for steve. Clueless, ignorant, and damned proud of it!

The “quote” in question came during an interview when the US wasn’t even at Baghdad yet. The idiot CNN interviewer kept asking about WMD and why, in the middle of a shooting war/major military operations, they hadn’t found them. Rumsfeld mentioned that he’d seen satellite photos showing trucks leaving one facility and heading to the areas he mentioned. So, he surmised that the WMD would be there rather than where it was. But nooo, the numbnuts in the media, the leftist moonbats, and apparently you insist on taking things out of context, lying, distorting, and then taking these strawmen and burning them at the stake.

Take some time, if your minders at DU and MoveOn will let you demonstrate some semblance of independent thinking, and look up the truth. And take the time to read the translations of the Iraqi documents that are appearing on the net, you’ll see plenty of evidence of Hussein’s illegal weapons programs and collusion/support of terrorists.
JT says:

May 8, 2006 at 1:19 am

According to the Arizona Star on March 30th, 2003 Rummy said:
“The area in the south and the west and the north that coalition forces control is substantial. It happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.”

This does not look like it’s quoted out of context, Rummy clearly indicates that he does know the location of the WMDs even if it’s in the general area.

Maybe someone here knows how to get the official Pentagon transcript to see what he really said, until then it appears that Andrew is correct.

The article is at:
http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/128032
Severian says:

May 8, 2006 at 9:17 am

Once again, you’re taking the entire thing out of the context of the situation. At that time, everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, the Russians, the Israelis, the French, etc. etc. etc. were convinced that Hussein had stockpiles of weapons, there just was no doubt in anyone’s mind. Hell, even our “allies” in the region were warning us that he planned to use massive WMD attacks on our troops. And I am not convinced that he didn’t, to this day, there is ample evidence of WMD activities and covert, surepticious moving of equipment and material around, even into Syria. At the time Rumsfeld said this, he’d seen sat photos of trucks moving stuff into the areas he mentioned, and all, and once again I repeat ALL (for you deluded BDS suffering folks out there) intel agencies and governments were convinced that Hussein had weapons, as he’d never adequately demonstrated their destruction, and had operated to frustrate and thwart the UN inspectors at every turn. So, based on that, Rumsfeld’s statement is perfectly understandable.

And it’s so like the left and BDS suffers to fixate on one off the cuff comment made in a TV interview with a flake like Stephanopolus to “prove” that everyone in this administration is lying. All of you, and you know who you are, are so completely obsessed with this that you are completely incapable of moving foward and addressing the issues and concerns of today. You’re like a child who refuses to grow up, which is actually an excellent description of the left.
Baklava says:

May 8, 2006 at 11:00 am

Severian said, “At that time, everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, the Russians, the Israelis, the French, ”

and the British and the Germans… Oh no but they weren’t all lying … just Bush and Rummy. Now that things seemed to have moved from before the invasion… 3 years later JT and Andrew want to act all smart like all monday morning quarterbacks. But the Satellite photo only showed the strong safety was at a certain place at a certain point in time.

Let me just say. I actually watched that press conference where the press as usual were needling Rummy to say where the Weapons were. It was 3 years ago. It was the beginning (not the very beginning) of the press’s open engagement of who they thought was the the enemy. I thought at the time that the press was unconcionable and I continue to think they are. They need an education of basic economics, basic military operations, basic government, who draws up war plans (not the president), and a whole hose of other things. They may know how to write. But they sure as heck don’t write about things accurately and they are obvious with their agenda and ignorance.
G-Monster says:

May 8, 2006 at 11:41 am

To me, it looks like the liberal media is an enemy of the United States. I think it all goes back to the fact that they lost 2 close presidential elections in a row. The U.S. is winning the War on Terror, and the hearts and minds of many arab people. The liberal media is desperate for this not to happen and will throw wrenches whenever they can.
andrew says:

May 8, 2006 at 1:09 pm

“The “quote” in question came during an interview when the US wasn’t even at Baghdad yet.”

I know. He was saying he knew where they were.

If he wants to use the ‘everybody did too’ excuse, he can.
Baklava says:

May 8, 2006 at 1:46 pm

And Andrew and JT. 2 paragraphs later Rumsfeld did say:

I would also add, we saw from the air that there were dozens of trucks that went into that facility after the existence of it became public in the press and they moved things out. They dispersed them and took them away. So there may be nothing left. I don’t know that.

Looks like the press actually created the problem. We knew where they were they moved them out.

Even if they weren’t there it is all intelligence failures that made EVERYONE believe they were there. It wasn’t just Bush and Rummy but the intelligence agencies all around the world.

Chalk another failure up to the press. Poor job. Negligence. Getting people like Andrew and JT who don’t do the due diligence necessary to make false allegations…

Anyways. The biggest point is that Rumsfeld actually looks VERY smart for having said 3 years ago in the middle of an invasion some very smart hedge remarks with an “I would also add” statement. Instead of being a know it all he hedged and added that there were trucks moving things out.” Maybe the interpretation should be that he wasn’t heding but being SUPER truthful. FULLY disclosing to the press the problem that our military was facing due to the fact that the “RUSH” to war took 14 months and Saddam had so much time to move things.

The press can go on their negligent tirade or realize that they were a part of the problem and ask themselves whose side are they on anyways.
andrew says:

May 8, 2006 at 9:43 pm

“We knew where they were they moved them out.”

So he knew where they were, but he knows they’re gone now? great work rummy.
Severian says:

May 8, 2006 at 9:59 pm

andrew, you really refuse to open your mind and get it don’t you. Why do you even pretend you care about truth and facts? You’ve been shown the context, and the fact that in the next breath Rumsfeld said there may be nothing left. I guess that doesn’t feed into your BDS.

So there may be nothing left. I don’t know that.

Hmmm…wonder why CNN, you, and the rest of the moonbats have totally ignored this comment, which came RIGHT AFTER the one you like to quote out of context.

You, and most of your fellow travelers on the left, are as intellectually dishonest as it comes. I’m not completely sure, though, whether you’re more dishonest in what you say or with yourselves. That is, do you actually know the truth and deliberately lie when you put forth your rants, or are you so befuddled that you lie to yourselves and stick your heads completely in the sand, so that you are lying to yourselves. I’m not sure which would be the most pathetic.
Baklava says:

May 8, 2006 at 10:48 pm

Great Monday morning quarterbacking andrew. Makes you look smart!

Severian, This stuff just is maddening and I wonder if that’s really what liberals want to do in an election year is make voters mad?
JT says:

May 8, 2006 at 11:29 pm

Thanks for the feedback everyone, very interesting topic. BTW, I’m not a ‘leftie’ or a ‘moonbat’, I’m a registered independent with very conservative leanings. I just happen to be very skeptical (cynical on top of that) and generally like to look at both sides of the issue before making up my mind.

Thanks
Baklava says:

May 9, 2006 at 12:04 am

Then don’t believe misinformation. Use common sense and logic to throw it out.

I was a liberal also. I believed the misinformation. It was a BIG year for me in 1991 when I converted to libertarianism basically. Libertarians want an 80% cut in government. That is too radical. Now I’m a centrist/conservative. I want to see government stop growing for 10 years while the government reprioritizes it’s spending to what the constitution talks about. In 1991 I researched everything visiting the library 3 times a week for a full year studying economics, taxes, environment, racial topis, etc. While I’ve moderated over the years due to more wisdom and experience one thing remains firmly true. That is that liberalism is a disease that is spread by misinformation that continues due to laziness and lack of due diligence. Sure rank and file liberals “care” and are “well-intentioned”, but the results of their solutions would cause more misery, harm and death.

For instance, raising taxes on the wealthy more than the current rates might not add to government revenues than if left alone, and would lower the growth in GDP, and would lead to income gains not being realized as much as they are. It might also lead to lower energy rates which would be good (because an economy that isn’t growing as fast doesn’t need as much energy) but that doesn’t help the larger segment of unemployed much. I’m not talking anything drastic here. It would all be relative to the size of the tax rate hike. And what would be the purpose if government revenue isn’t raised more? To make liberals “feel” good and as if they really “cared”? What liberals have to realize is that conservatives and libertarians “care” also. Liberals don’t corner the market on “compassion” and their “caring” ideas cause more harm than good. It’s better to teach a man to fish than just give him fish.
Severian says:

May 9, 2006 at 7:19 am

True Bak, but if you give a man a fish when he’s hungry, he becomes dependent on you to give him another fish when he’s hungry again, and that’s power, which is the main thing Liberals want, power over others. For their own good, to “protect” them of course…
Baklava says:

May 9, 2006 at 11:06 am

You have to distinguish between the rank and file liberals who are dreamy eyed utopians who don’t realize that their solutions would actually make things worse with the liberal leaders. The liberal leaders may want the power but there are several reasons for wanting the power. If you read the road to serfdom the power is necessary to achieve utopia. It’s not that the leaders want the power but they must quash private property ownership with force, forcefully take from those who produce, quell any uprisings, use misinformation (as a means to an end), ration, control everything, etc. Much death has occurred because of leftists like Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, but what people don’t understand is that is what big government leads to. An entirely dependant citizenry, with no means to defend themselves, provide for their future or thier kids future, no free speech, etc.

We have two major parties who grow government yet liberals and leftist leaders and the press make people believe we have an extreme right Republican party. That would be FAR from the truth. We have seen government grow every year for over 6 decades. All social services, health services, veterans benefits, education spending, etc has grown every year. In Health services there are over 100 programs (I work for one) and liberals like GBA, Andrew, etc will come here and copy and paste text about programs that were cut without realizing that the health services budget has grown and grwon alot. While spending shifts around in the health services it hasn’t been cut in the last 6 decades and the misinformation having liberals believe that it has is right up the ally towards liberal leaders trying to regain power with fear and misinformation.
Baklava says:

May 9, 2006 at 11:27 am

I forgot to mention that prosperity is removed with liberal solutions. What liberals fail to realize (due to misinformation) is that due to our prosperity (because of entrepreneurship and the ability to reap rewards for hard work and good ideas) we are the MOST generous nation on earth giving more in aid than all other countries combined. Foriegn aid is more than 2% of our government’s spending which is at 2.6 Trillion dollars. On top of that we as Americans give/donate privately (almost unheard of at other countries where everything is controlled centrally) at record amounts to 1,000’s of charities which man of them help people internationally.

Prosperity is the key to generosity and the reason why our country’s poor (defined as under the poverty line) on average have a better standard of living than the AVERAGE European.

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