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Audacity of Truth
Marginalizing Terror:
"Why? Whether it’s al Qaeda Central, or two twisted, perverted, cowardly knock-off jihadists here in Boston. Why do they do what they do?”
VP Biden, speaking at the memorial service for slain MIT police offer Sean Collier - 4/24/2013
Quite possibly the most ridiculous poll ever
I’m sure the results of this poll will absolutely shock you. It will take you the entire weekend to recover. The shocking details:
An overwhelming number of people say critics of the Iraq war should be free to voice their objections — a rare example of widespread agreement about a conflict that has divided the nation along partisan lines.
Nearly three weeks after a grieving California mother named Cindy Sheehan started her anti-war protest near President Bush’s Texas ranch, nine of 10 people surveyed in an AP-Ipsos poll say it’s OK for war opponents to publicly share their concerns about the conflict.
"Part of the Constitution is the First Amendment," said Mike Malone, a salesman from Odessa, Fla. "We have the right to disagree with the government."
Somebody round up all those people calling for dissent over the war to be stifled!
If you can find anyone who actually advocated that sort of thing, anyway.
Sarcasm aside, the polling folks (like so many others, mostly on the left) have mischaracterized the issue of dissent during war as being one of stifling it completely, when no one who is thinking clearly has advocated for anti-war folks to just shut up (of course they may have said it one or two times out of frustration, but that’s understandable). I’ll say once again that the issue is not about the right to say anything, but whether or not it’s right to say it in the way it’s being said (re: anti-war protests). Big difference.
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incredible:
“From 1983 to 1996, more than 18,000 soldiers died. That averages to more than 1,300 a year, far more than have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan each year. Yes, that was mostly from accidents, drunk driving and other mishaps. Yet, while protesters in Crawford, Texas and elsewhere would have you think that our military can’t survive with the low casualty rates of this war, I wonder why they were willing to accept the much higher peacetime casualty rates of the past?”
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20050825-090528-8396r.htm
…you can’t make s**t like this up. The guys at the Onion must be worried.
Edited curse word in case youngsters stumble onto the blog. –ST
“If you can find anyone who actually advocated that sort of thing, anyway. ”
looks like they found about 10% of their audience advocating that.
“I’ll say once again that the issue is not about the right to say anything, but whether or not it’s right to say it in the way it’s being said (re: anti-war protests). Big difference.”
One’s allowed to have an opinion. The problem is it being expressed in a way that is heard or effective.
- I’d pop for a twenty toward a fund to elect Cindy as ambbassidor at large to Al Qa’eda, and an Iraqi station assignment to meet with Al Zarhawi. She needs a chance to have a group hug with him and his peace loving Jihadist “freedom fighters”. She could thank him, up close and personal, for killing her son, and assure him the left is hard at work as usual, undermining the American government and our military. All in the name of the Muslim Cephalate of world dominance, enslavement of women, and religious tyranny. I’m sure the left would be able to blame it on ChimpyMcBush, when her head was Fed-X’d back to Morre and the trotskyites at move-on-dot-morons…..
- Just for the record, I’ll back her call for another meet with Bush the very day that the NYTrash starts running daily pics on the front page of every innocent woman and child the peace loving Jihadist thugs murder…..
This poll is entirely one-sided. Far more telling would be a poll of the percentage on each side of the debate who believe the other side has a right to voice their views.
But…but…but…you can’t criticize me! How dare you try to silence me with your arguments? Don’t you know that I’m against war and death and killing and hurting fluffy bunnies?!?!?!?! I have the right to SPEAK! And no Bushitlerneoconwingnuthatemonger has the right to suggest that I might be MISTAKEN!!!!!!!!
This may be a ridiculous poll, but this “silencing” meme imbues every single syllable of rhetoric coming from the unhinged Left. Check it out:”Sheehan the Symbol represents for many people the questions about the costs and purposes of this war, questions that are growing in urgency. You can blast away at Sheehan all you want, it doesn’t silence the questions she has come to represent.Ed Cone is referencing a letter to the editor of the Greensboro News and Record that doesn’t go anywhere NEAR saying that Sheehan should be silenced. When I called him on it, the sparks flew.
Mrs. Sheehan and everyone else have the right to protest. They have no right to be heard or to make me listen or watch. Ignoring her would be the best response if the MSM were not shoving her down my throat at every turn. Since they are aiding and abetting, I applaud the counterprotesters who are on their way. Is anyone sponsoring caterers for the counterprotesters?
P.S. Can we watch the lingo, folks? Youngsters read this blog, too. Let’s not make it “R-rated.”
Taken care of, Bachbone. –ST
Thanks for all the comments, everyone – Dread, I’ll check that thread out you mentioned
Sam: “looks like they found about 10% of their audience advocating that.”
So WHAT? About 10% of this country didn’t agree we should have gone into Afghanistan either. Your point?
“One’s allowed to have an opinion. The problem is it being expressed in a way that is heard or effective.”
Yes, and protesting in front of a military hospital is very effective – at one thing: telling me just how low some of the creeps in groups like Code Pink will go.
“About 10% of this country didn’t agree we should have gone into Afghanistan either. Your point?”
You implied it would be hard to find someone who agreed with the statement in the poll. I said it would be about 10% of the population.
“Yes, and protesting in front of a military hospital is very effective – at one thing: telling me just how low some of the creeps in groups like Code Pink will go.”
And you wouldn’t know that if they couldn’t do it.
With all due respect, I don’t quite understand what the fuss is about. What is the objection to Cindy Sheehan’s method of protest? Counterprotestors would be welome there too, except they keep cancelling out due to lack of participation.
For what its worth comment, Less solders died in 1991, during the first gulf war, because they were over there and unable to drink. Fact, check it out
Seems to me that this poll is probably a direct result of the American Legion manifesto threatening anyone who dares to utilize their right to free speech.
“You implied it would be hard to find someone who agreed with the statement in the poll. I said it would be about 10% of the population.”
I didn’t just imply it, I said it. And I stand by it. I also said this:
“And you wouldn’t know that if they couldn’t do it.”
(SIGH) This *isn’t* about someone’s *right* to do something but about what is right to do. I can’t get anymore clearer than that.
Stemcellbabe: “With all due respect, I don’t quite understand what the fuss is about. What is the objection to Cindy Sheehan’s method of protest? Counterprotestors would be welome there too, except they keep cancelling out due to lack of participation. ”
Most of the counter-protestors are on tour. The objection is to what she’s saying, and what her “supporters” are saying. She hasn’t exactly surrounded herself with a stellar cast of anti-war characters.
Gerry: “For what its worth comment, Less solders died in 1991, during the first gulf war, because they were over there and unable to drink. Fact, check it out”
What are you talking about?
Onlooker: “Seems to me that this poll is probably a direct result of the American Legion manifesto threatening anyone who dares to utilize their right to free speech.”
I don’t think so. This ridiculous belief that the majority of the people who disagree with Cindy Sheehan and what she’s doing in Crawford (not to mention other similar type protests) want to squash her/their right to say it is just that: ridiculous.
“The objection is to what she’s saying, and what her “supporters” are saying.”
And my question is what are they saying and/or doing that is so objectionable?
This post should explain it.
Thanks for the explanation. Here are my thoughts:
1. The occupation of Iraq is a far better recruiting tool for terrorists than one mother’s protest against the war. We are in more danger from terrorists now than we were before the invasion of Iraq. No one wants to encourage a terrorist attack. We just differ on the strategy to stop terrorism.
2. If other organizations support Cindy Sheehan in her protest, that is their right. Together, their voices are stronger. It makes perfect sense. Whether you agree with them or not, you can respect their opinion and their right to dissent.
3. Wars were fought for Cindy Sheehan’s right to free speech. The fact that she can peacefully dissent shows the highest respect for the troops and our national heritage.
This is what you do when you feel your 15 minutes winding down. The left has taken polemic manipulation to an art form. To wit:
- We did the full metal jacket chimpyMcBush memes for all they were worth.
- Now, since that didn’t work and the opposition is gathering its forces, we need a new strawman.
- Oh I know. Lets start screaming about all those murky, mysterious neocon rightwing groups and individuals that are trying to suppress our right to call Bush a Nazi murderer. No one will catch on that its a total fabrication if we just pretend that anyone that thinks we’re looney is trying to silence us. That old ploy always seems to work on the majority of red necks, since like the Uncle tom blacks in Bushes Administration, they’re all too stupid to catch on.
- Oh and lets pretend we give a damn about the military and the soldiers who have been wounded in this illegal war by staging protests in front of military Hospitals. We can put a few supportive signs in with the pile of BushHitlers just to cover our tracks.
- Another moronic attempt to keep the rhetoric going. pure and simple.
“1. The occupation of Iraq is a far better recruiting tool for terrorists than one mother’s protest against the war. We are in more danger from terrorists now than we were before the invasion of Iraq.”
I hear that mentioned often, but I’m not buying it. Considering we were attacked before Iraq and not after. Radical Islamist terrorism has been going on for decades. Countries not even involved in the war in Iraq have been attacked. It’s a mistake in my opinion to believe we’re in “more danger” now than before. We’ve always been in danger, and unfortunately politicians in both parties didn’t answer the call to make us as safe as they should have.
“No one wants to encourage a terrorist attack. We just differ on the strategy to stop terrorism.”
You can say that again!
“2. If other organizations support Cindy Sheehan in her protest, that is their right. Together, their voices are stronger. It makes perfect sense. Whether you agree with them or not, you can respect their opinion and their right to dissent.”
One, this isn’t about rights but about what’s right to say. Second, I disagree that together, their voices are stronger when together, when you consider the “voices.” Consider this: when Randall Terry got involved in Florida with the Schindlers in the fight over whether or not to keep Terry Schiavo alive or not, I was embarassed. I was on the side of the Schindler family, but I was not on the side of the Randall Terry types. They made the pro-keep Terri alive protestors movement weak and less credible. You’re only as strong as your weakest link, as they say. I don’t see a lot of strong links involved in the pro Cindy Sheehan movement, quite honestly.
“3. Wars were fought for Cindy Sheehan’s right to free speech. The fact that she can peacefully dissent shows the highest respect for the troops and our national heritage.”
It’s not showing respect for the freedom those soldiers in the past died for when the current group of soldiers are being called “killers” and their enemies in Iraq are being called “freedom fighters” by Cindy Sheehan and Michael Moore. So no, that is not showing respect at all. With freedom comes responsibilty and saying stuff like “you’re fighting and dying so your Commander in Chief and VP can get rich from oil and the people you are fighting against aren’t the enemy but “freedom fighters”" – no, that is not the “highest form of respect for our troops and our national heritage. ” I’d bet the founding fathers roll over in their graves everytime groups like Code Pink exercise their brand of “freedom of speech.” Yeah, they have a right to do it, but that doesn’t make what they are saying right.
- I’ve said it before ST – the heart of the problem with the manic antics of the left, what gives them the ability to lie with such applumb, avering a faux support for something, while using it ruthlessly to further their politics , is simply because they ask themselves “IF” they can do something and never never ask “SHOULD” they do it. What you see is the total breakdown of individual morality and self examination of the “right” or “wrong” of anything, layered under “relativism”, which relieves all personal responsibility in the name of the “cause”. That has to be the one greatest danger in this world to all our freedoms, as well as our very lives. After watching the extreme acts, bereft of moral certitude or even a hint of introspective, I no longer view the left as simply an amusing, badly misguided group. I see them as a danger to society.
Supporting American troops in our hearts and minds has nothing to do with th White Houses’ decision to lie to Americans about going to war with Iraq.
We have terrorist everywhere. Yet we don’t fight them everywhere. We fight them in countries that have a potential financial interest to the President and his financial supportors.
We went to Afghanistan to get Osama, but we never got him. We said that we would bring the Afghani people democracy and equality. But we never did. Instead we bought 900 tons of heroin from Afghani farmers. Which we then claimed to destroyed, yet we have released no photos or video of this action. Heroin just so happens to be flooding the streets of our major cities on a scale not seen since the 1970′s.
We went to Iraq not for WMD, and not to bring the Iraqis freedom and equality. But to establish a battleground in which to draw out regional terrorist and fight them in a controlled environment. This was not nearly as effective as we hoped. We went in with less than half the troops we needed and inexperienced no-bid contractors. We are actually generating much more anti-American sentiment than we had before, and thus creating more terrorist. This is not bad thing because the American oil companies are getting supercheap oil from Iraq and selling it back to us American citizens at triple the price it was before President Bush took office. Meanwhile everyday Iraqis still dont have water, food, electricity, medical care or gas with any regularity after two and a half years of American liberation and occupation. And it looks as if Iraq will be another Islamic republic that will govern it’s citizens under the guidelines of Sharia law. Women in the new free Iraq for which our beloved soldiers have died and bled for will not have democracy or equal rights. Our own government spends more getting oil out of Iraq than it spends on every social reconstruction program in Iraq combined. This is not opinion, it’s fact.
Supporting the troops is an act which is indeed entirely seperate of supporting the Presidents agenda. Since his administration has had a consistant record of slashing medical and death benefits to military personell and their families. He has raided Social Security to pay no-bid contracts for services that often times we don’t need private contractors for.
We have an army in Iraq.
So why does our government employ 20,000 mercenaries for security?
Why do we need American private contractors to provide goods and services at prices that are at least triple what our troops can provide the same services for themselves?
The real terrorism in the world is religious extremism. The middle east is loaded with extremist. Greater Israel is too. And last but not least we have our own wrath of religious radicals and fundamentalist right here in the United States. They publically advocate violence toward democracy. Ann Coulter once said the she wished Timothy McViegh had bombed New York instead of Oklahoma. Pat Robertson urged the assination of a democratically elected foreign leader. And a Christian group in Texas was found with several very large cyanide bombs and an incredible amount of guns and explosives in addition to a half million rounds of ammunition.
If folks want to support the troops then send money to the families of the enlisted men and women, give your frequent flyer miles to Fisher House, donate to the USO. And last but not least demand the truth from your elected officials. Only the truth will support our troops.
“Considering we were attacked before Iraq and not after.”
What about the London bombings and Madrid bombings? Isn’t the UK part of our “coalition of the willing”, or don’t they count? When our allies are attacked, we are all attacked. I consider us to be in much greater danger now than before the invasion of Iraq.
“Second, I disagree that together, their voices are stronger when together, when you consider the “voices.”"
Their voices are stronger because the message is getting out to more people, whether you agree with it or not. I’m not ashamed of the people who agree with Cindy Sheehan.
“It’s not showing respect for the freedom those soldiers in the past died for when the current group of soldiers are being called “killers” and their enemies in Iraq are being called “freedom fighters” by Cindy Sheehan and Michael Moore. So no, that is not showing respect at all.”
To my knowledge, Cindy Sheehan has not called our soldiers “killers”. And think about the “freedom fighter” issue from this perspective: If the US were invaded and occupied by a large Islamic country that tried to establish a religious theocracy here with a muslim cleric as our president, we’d have armed American insurgents all over the place. Our mistake is trying to impose a western-style democracy on another culture.
- ST – Heres a link to an interesting article at ABC7 news, detailing the various shadow groups proping up the Sheehan circus. What caught my attention particularly, was this statement near the end:
[sic]..There is also the “Cindy you don’t speak for me tour,” a caravan of military wives and mothers led by Deborah Johns of Roseville. Her son William is a marine who has served two tours of duty in Iraq.
Johns and her supporters are traveling to Crawford to confront Cindy Sheehan.
“Sheehan said today she’ll welcome to meet with her without reporters present.”
Is Deborah Johns of Roseville son dead or is he still alive?
Lets just make sure that we are comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges.
Otherwise it’s just crazy talk.
GBA: Do you think the biggest threat this country faces is from Christians? Also, are you trying to say that someone who has a relative in Iraq’s opinion doesn’t count unless that relative has died? If so, I can point to you any number of stories of people who’ve had relatives die in Iraq who still support both the President and the mission there.
SCB: “What about the London bombings and Madrid bombings? Isn’t the UK part of our “coalition of the willing”, or don’t they count?”
Yes, they count. I blogged about that here when the London bombings happened last month.
“When our allies are attacked, we are all attacked. I consider us to be in much greater danger now than before the invasion of Iraq.”
That’s fine, but that’s an opinion, not necessarily a fact, same as mine. There have been any number of countries attacked that had *nothing* to do with the war in Iraq. WE were attacked before we went into Iraq (and before anyone tries to say otherwise, I’m not asserting Iraq was behind 9-11). We were attacked (in other countries) in the 90′s under Clinton’s admin, and we were attacked (in other countries) under Reagan as well so the danger we’ve been in existed well before Iraq and wouldn’t have gone away whether we went in or not.
“Their voices are stronger because the message is getting out to more people, whether you agree with it or not. I’m not ashamed of the people who agree with Cindy Sheehan.”
I’m not ashamed of *everyone* who agrees with her, but I am with a lot of them. It just defies comprehension that so many can support her when she’s come to be the symbol (IMO) of everything wrong with today’s left in general. She’s hostile, hateful, intolerant, and seems to not like Jews, etc. Her “message” may be getting out, but the message is wrong. Her message is that we should cut and run, and if that message takes hold in the Democratic party and prominent leaders in the DNC start advocating it, it’s going to make the party look more pacifist then the McGovern wing. Just remember, that “movements” like the one underway in Crawford with Cindy Sheehan and company don’t just galvanize frustrated Democrats. They also galvanize Republicans – strongly, in the opposite direction.
“To my knowledge, Cindy Sheehan has not called our soldiers “killers”. And think about the “freedom fighter” issue from this perspective: If the US were invaded and occupied by a large Islamic country that tried to establish a religious theocracy here with a muslim cleric as our president, we’d have armed American insurgents all over the place.”
I’m not dignifying that with a response except to say that, with all due respect, I think it’s a bit on the incredibly wrong to refer to the people killing our troops as “freedom fighters.” In essence that’s what Cindy has called the people who killed her son: “freedom fighters.” I couldn’t claim to support the troops and call their killers “freedom fighters.”
Bang: I see the media is hyping this up big time this weekend. I saw the article you references, as well. Nice to know Howard Dean’s group is involved in this as well
Bottom lines:
–How has invading Iraq made us safer? I still don’t see how. Terrorism is a world-wide problem. There are terrorist cells harbored in many countries. Do we invade them all?
–When citizens of a country attempt to repel an occupying force, they are seen as “freedom fighters” in their own country and “insurgents” by the occupying country. Call them what you wish, but their goal is the same. They want us out of there.
–We may disagree on the method, but don’t you want our troops to come home and be with their families? I’m not advocating “cut and run” either, but Bush has been woefully unprepared for this war and doesn’t have a clear exit strategy. This war may go on for years. I want to know how he plans to end this war. Bush has flip-flopped on this issue, as seen in the following quotes:
George W. Bush, 4/9/99: “Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is.”
George W. Bush, 6/5/99 “I think it’s also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.”
VERSUS
George W. Bush, 6/24/05: “It doesn’t make any sense to have a timetable. You know, if you give a timetable, you’re — you’re conceding too much to the enemy.”
He can’t have it both ways.
Sister Toldjah,
Thank for the opportunity to clarify.
Coming fom a military family myself. I am saying that unless you or your family have actually made the ultimate sacrifice and have lost a loved one in service to your country then your perspective is different than that of families who have been fortunate not have such a terrible loss. It’s just not honorable for a soldiers family to dishonor another soldiers family. That’s not the way I was brought up. If Mrs. Sheehan and other mothers who lost their children are angry with the President for the loss of her son, well than I feel for her although I strongly disagree with her path of expression. My brother died in Iraq in Desert Storm. My other brother is doing his twenty in the Air Force.
I am a devout Christian. But I acknowledge that religious extremism is the greatest threat to all of our national security. Islamic fundamentalist are just as dangerous as Christian fundamentalist. Religeous extremist are trying to infiltrate governments all over the world. And historically colusion between any religion and government only brings about tyranny and oppression. It stifles liberty, democracy and justice.
Just look back on the history of modern religion. Whenever it intersected or collaborated with governments, those countries have only known great suffering. And in those countries today where religion interacts with public policy you have tremendous inequality and hatred like in Iran or Saudi Arabia. I fear that we are letting far too much religion into our own government. And if history has taught us anything we should all know that it will be the end of freedom, liberty and justice.
- If the extremist radical left that Sheehan represents follows the usual “big lie”/Press manipulation script which is the heart of the Marxist doctrine, we should be counting down the hours before we hear that she has been threatened with death by some “unknown” right wing nut cases. Its even more probable we’ll see this step, now that the opposition has gathered strength and gravitas. the culmination will be the eventual outing of the real sources for these specious threats, but by then the story will be dead in the press, and the left will have moved-on-dot-moron’d to a new propaganda campaign to keep the rhetoric going.
“If the extremist radical left that Sheehan represents follows the usual “big lie”/Press manipulation script which is the heart of the Marxist doctrine, we should be counting down the hours before we hear that she has been threatened with death by some “unknown” right wing nut cases.”
If the american-hating right follows its script, we should already have had death threats by now. We’ve had attacks on her camp, such as shots fired and a truck running over a memorial. Sheehan’s emotive force is something the right is used to yielding, and the right doesn’t know how to react. Thats why we see all their hate and hissy-fitting.
The religious right speaks in Tennesee.
This is not my opinion it’s another fact representative of the direction our country is spiraling down towards. These people don’t speak for me. But they claim to speak for the “moral majority”.
If this is moral?
Is religion really a good thing to bring out in public?
Or is it best to keep our faiths in private, in church, in our homes, at our supper tables and in our hearts?
Is it best to teach our children this hatred?
Or is it best to teach children about love and compassion?
Do these people represent you?
Do you advocate hate and violence toward others who have done you no wrong?
Please post link to article and not the entire article itself and we’ll discuss it. Thanks. –ST
- Sam – Leave it to a Liberal to completely ignore the point of a post and try to twist it off into another area. Its basically impossible to engage in debate with people that have their heads firmly implanted in their utopian “denials”.
Jim -
- In another post you went off on a braggathon citing several government “programs” to try to point to Liberal/Democrat successes. In fact all of the areas you listed are in one way or another, basically “bandaids”. neccessary in many cases, to shore up a disasterous economy, under the mis-guidence of those same Democratic leaderships. To wit:
“You mention being a fan of ‘classical liberalism’. I’m not familiar
with that term, but i would infer that you’re talking about the ideology
that led to formation of public school system, social security, FDA,
USDA, TVA, OSHA, EPA, etc… all of which sprang from liberal minds as a
means for protecting american citizenry in its entirety.”
The list of shame:
- Public schools – In such bad shape, record numbers of parents all across the country are opting for private schools. Mismanaged, and more about teachers rights and self serving Unions than educating our children. Unacceptably costly, outdated ineffectual teaching standards, and out of control discipline and poor leadership.
- Social Security: Only a Liberal would be against greater “ownership” of the money a person earns by the sweat of his/her brow. Much better to redistribute it among others. Thats a great nessage to send to people. Hey don’t worry about working hard or trying to contribute to things. Just sit back and let Big brother take care of you. Aside from that ludicrious idea, everyone knows the liberals froth at the mouth at any atempt to rescue the bankrupted future of SS because its the main porkbarrel they fund all their givaway programs from and they panic at the idea it will be scotched for a better, truly fair system.
FDA/USDA/OSHA/EPA – All ineffectual government boondoggles that are forever “protecting” people and environments after all the trees are burned down, the medicines have killed a bunch of people, and the food is contaminated. Mostly lap dogs of the industrial hands that feed them.
- Government make work programs like TVA – After the last shovel of dirt goes in the people go home to the same problems they started with. The high unemployment, weak economy, and deep recession that only was fixed by the WWII industrial explosion. All under Democratic/Liberal admins.
No…. the real truth is even in the case of the civil rights movement where the southern Liberal/Democrat caucus did everything it could to block things, it was the Conservative leadership in congress that forced through the neccessary legislation, while the Dems went on vacation.
- Our political history is a series of the same governmental processes. The Liberals propose utopian, unworkable, impractical ideas, never actually legislate anything worthwhile, and when it gets bad enough the conservatives finally act to pare those ideas down to reality and pass legislation.
- Thats just one of the many reasons the Liberals are in the political wilderness right now, and so out of touch with mainstream America. If they don’t stop wasting eveyones time with their immature, misguided attacks on ChimpyMcBush and start forming a true set of ideas, a viable plan instead of polysci 101 rhetoric, they have generations of the same thing to look forward too.
- ST – Politics aside, for those that havn’t been able to keep up with the news. Hurricane Katrina has been elevated to a category 5, with sustained winds exceeding 165 mph, with gusts to over 175. Considering that the central winds generally accelrate even more as a storm reaches a coast line, thats going to make Katrina the strongest storm ever recorded in Gulf coast history. Louisiana and Miss. have been decalared in a state of emergency, with over 100,000 people still trapped in New Orleans, the point of expected landfall. Everyone should say a little prayer for the people of the area. This could be a real disaster, owing to the below sea level topography of several places in the path of the storm. President Bush is working with the Governors of the threated states and is expected to enlist the National Guard and other available emergency services from neighboring uneffected Regions. Some people are being checked into the superdome to ride out the storm, as many as 45,000 people may take shelter there….
I pray that there are enough National Guard forces on hand to deal with the looming crisis on our own shores. They won’t be able help to the storm ravaged US coast while stationed in Iraq.
- Thanks Stemcell – Just like a Liberal to never miss a chance to politicize even human suffering. Edited.
Now closing this thread. Please direct all non-political comments about Hurricane Katrina here. –ST