Study: Abortions at home are “safe”

Posted by: ST on February 17, 2006 at 12:47 am

Hey, soon it may be as easy as one, two, three:

Women who are less than nine weeks pregnant can safely have medical abortions at home, according to the head of a government-backed pilot project.

Abortion services for the 20,000 women who seek a chemically induced abortion every year could be transformed should the Department of Health’s official evaluation of the pilot confirm initial findings. But it is also likely to provoke controversy from anti-abortion campaigners who will claim that home abortions would make the procedure easier and therefore lead to more women having terminations.

Shirley Butler, the project manager of one pilot which has tested the abortions with 172 women patients since 2004, told the Guardian: “We haven’t had any significant problems apart from one woman who had a slightly heavy bleed. In my opinion medical abortions outside of acute hospitals seem to be safe.” She added that women who took part in the trial were positive about it.

These “at home” abortions will be even more convenient than the chemical abortion ‘option’ that is offered in the UK. How do the chemical abortions work? Well, it takes a couple of days for the drugs to take effect on the fetus, but eventually the dosages – um – ‘pay off’:

Chemical abortions are available before the 12th week of pregnancy. Women who request it take one tablet of mifepristone at a hospital then return two days later to take four doses of misoprostol which causes a termination within hours. Usually women remain in hospital after taking the second pills until the abortion is complete. Under the trials they took both sets of pills within local community clinics to test the theory that it is safe to be outside hospital, and therefore at home.

One of these days they’ll be setting up QwikPillMarts where a gal can just run in, purchase the necessary pills, dash home and start the process of aborting an unwanted child – and the process can be underway while she’s cooking dinner, reading a book, sleeping … so easy, and it doesn’t take any time out of the day to do. How — efficient!

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  1. Dave in CO says:

    Baklava wrote: “I use his comments as a jumping ground to:…”

    I know. I was doing the same. I wanted to make my “moral freeloading” comment and chose you as my sounding board. Feel free to continue to do the same.
    :)

  2. blogagog says:

    Andrew said:

    Safe abortions really piss off the wingnuts. How dare women not face harm?

    Are you just being snarky, or has your time here really taught you nothing about conservatism? All conservatives want is for the mother AND the child to ‘not face harm’. If you really don’t understand that then you just don’t WANT to understand it.

    As I’ve said, I’m ambivalent about abortion, but at least I understand both sides of the issue. You are doing yourself a disservice by not doing the same. Trying to paint conservatives as uncaring on an issue where they are trying to save 100% more lives than liberals is just silly. MORE than 100% if you add in multiple births.

  3. Pam says:

    Said andrewSafe abortions really piss off the wingnuts. How dare women not face harm?

    Comment by andrew @ 2/17/2006 – 8:37 pm

    Where did you get the idea that this was safe? How safe can a chemical be to a woman when it kills a baby inside? What else is it eating away at? I am sure we will find out in about 5 years.

  4. steve says:

    Pam, probably safer then living in the Los Angeles smog. Now, smog is an issue you life-givers should be able to wrap your tiny little minds around. Smog kills! That requires a constitutiona amendment to outlaw! Peace

  5. andrew says:

    “No andrew… what pisses me off is no-class idiots like you that troll and spam Conservative blogs because you just can’t seperate your personal issues from your politics and you post things like you just did. Sis has a lot more patience for that kind of crap than I would.”

    Safe abortions are cause for applause then? great!

  6. RightWing says:

    Where would you be Andrew if these pills were available to your mom???

    I think a new sloan is in order after that comment:

    “Abort a Liberal and Save Lives!”

  7. steve says:

    RightWing, so your pro-abortion, you won’t get on well here. Peace

  8. andrew says:

    “Where would you be Andrew if these pills were available to your mom???”

    Still here. I was a wanted child.

  9. Lorica says:

    I like how the 8 year old amongst us is declaring that our minds our tiny.

    As far as this pill being safe please see my above post. This pill kills. Also it is not like the present abortion providers have never had a woman die on their tables or bleed out due to an abortion procedure. So they are not 100% safe. It simply is not bada boom bada bing there you go Honey all done. I have had several friends who have had serious complications due to abortions. One will never be able to have children again. It is time for a serious discussion on this topic, not the heated argument we have had in the past. – Lorica

  10. - So you got yours and screw every other baby to be, huh Andrew. Nice cynical amoral, asocial view point. Tell me that leftist meme about “uncaring neocons” again. I think I must have missed your point somehow.

    - Bang **==

  11. andrew says:

    “So you got yours and screw every other baby to be, huh Andrew. ”

    We’re not talking about whether to have abortions. Just whether they should be safe or not. Like I said: wingnuts bitch that they’re safe.

  12. sanity says:

    Safe abortions hmm?

    Tell it to them:

    * A 28 year old victim of a botched legal abortion, naked from the waist down, unwrapped, was forced to stand outside of a Washington D.C. abortion center and wait for an employee to drive her to a hospital. Before arriving she nearly bled to death from a severed uterine artery. An emergency hysterectomy was required to save her life.1

    * During an abortion done by Dr. Milan Vuitch, a young mother suffered perforations and lacerations of the uterus, cervix and bowel. She required a hysterectomy and extensive hospitalization for a massive infection caused by decayed parts of her unborn child which were thrust into her abdomen during the abortion. She suffered severe and long lasting emotional trauma, i.e. anxiety, depression, sleeplessness and nightmares, “often of pulled apart fetuses, dead children and other morbid themes.”2

    * Dr. Edgar Gonzalez performed a legal abortion on a 12-year-old girl who was seven months pregnant. The girl almost died during the abortion. She was rushed to a hospital were a hysterectomy and colostomy were required to save her life. The dead baby, two pounds, was removed at that time. This girl is now sterile.3

    Legal abortion is not safe abortion. In fact, legal abortion is just as unsafe as illegal abortion. According to one medical study, “An unfortunate aspect of this procedure is the vast number of complications.”4 The immediate life threatening conditions are heavy bleeding and infection. A British medical journal reports the following.

    1. l7% of the patients lost over 500 ml of blood and 9.5% needed transfusions.

    2. 27% suffered infections and fever above 100.4(o), lasting more than 24 hours.

    3. Cervical lacerations occurred in 4.2%.

    4. Perforation of the uterus occurred in 1.2%.

    The article concludes, “This emphasizes that the termination of pregnancy is neither as simple nor as safe as some advocates of abortion would have the public believe. Moreover, the incidence of such complications as infertility, recurrent miscarriages, premature labor, ruptured uterus or emotional manifestations cannot be assessed at this stage.”5

    The womb during pregnancy is designed to protect the new life growing there. During an abortion the mouth of the womb, the cervix, is forcibly stretched open. This can tear the cervix, making the woman far more likely to miscarry her next pregnancy.

    The powerful suction used in first trimester abortion can scar the uterus, resulting in scarred fallopian tubes, tubal pregnancies or sterility. It can also cause placenta previa. If an abortionist is too gentle with the suction tube he will leave behind parts of the unborn child or placenta – causing infection. If he is too forceful he will tear a hole in the uterus and an emergency hysterectomy may be needed.

    Several medical studies of legal abortion are summarized below.

    * 4% of women having legal abortions will suffer from a damaged cervix.6

    * 5-10% will become sterile.7

    * Legalized abortion has resulted in:
    a.) a 300% increase in first trimester miscarriages of later pregnancies.8
    b.) a 400% increase in second trimester miscarriages of later pregnancies.9
    c.) a 200% increase in premature births.10
    d.) a 700% increase in placenta previs.11
    e.) a 200% increase in tubal pregnancies.12

    Lets consider these facts in light of a pro-abortion slogan: “Freedom of choice in reproduction.” What about the woman who had a legal abortion and as a result can no longer “choose” to have a baby. A woman and the child in her womb share the consequences of good treatment or bad. They are both complex systems made of delicate flesh. One inside the other. The abortionist’s tools cut both ways. Therefore abortion aborts women as well.

    One study estimates that one fourth of all aborted women will not be able to have a normal pregnancy again. After so many women have experienced abortion in this country, any feminist who fails to acknowledge the extent of abortion trauma can justly be accused of indifference to women’s pain.

    More and more, health researchers are noting a dramatic rise in sterility, tubal pregnancies and placenta previa.13 Vanderbilt University Medical Center noted an increase in placenta previa, a condition in pregnancy where the placenta covers the opening of the womb. This can lead to great blood loss to the mother during labor. It can cause death of the mother and death of the baby. Doctors on staff looked into the increase of this condition and found its cause to be the increase of legal abortions. The study concluded that aborted women were 7-15 times more likely to get placenta previa in later pregnancies.14

    A doctor in private practice reported on 54 abortion patients ranging in age from 15-19. One of the ghastly stories included that of a 17-year-old girl who experienced bleeding and pain every day after a suction abortion. After four days she went into her bathroom and passed recognizable parts of her unborn child into the toilet. She then fainted and developed severe hysteria.15

    Legal Abortion Deaths

    Abortion advocates claim that things were worse when abortion was illegal. Some have claimed that 5,000 to 10,000 women died each year from illegal abortions. These unsubstantiated figures were advanced first by Dr. F. J. Taussig and then by Dr. Bernard Nathanson when he was co-founder of the National Abortion Rights League. Other abortion advocates admit that these figures are totally false and were used to make abortion acceptable to the public.16 The annual reports on vital statistics reveal the following.

    * In 1965 there were 235 deaths from all abortions (legal, illegal and spontaneous).17

    * In 1966 this number dropped to 189, in l967 it was 160 deaths.18

    * In l968 there were 55 deaths from illegal abortions.19

    * In 1972 (one year before Roe vs. Wade) there were 48 deaths from illegal abortions. In 1973 there were 33 deaths from induced abortions.20

    If abortion were made illegal again, would there be deaths? Yes. Expect illegal abortion deaths to replace legal abortion deaths about one to one. The Hyde amendment was passed in 1978 and cut off funds for 300,000 Medicaid abortions. Everybody was predicting dozens or hundreds of deaths as a result. The abortion industry has searched for the last 10 years for the expected death. It did not happen (see the CDC reports for early 1979).

    David Reardon, author of Aborted Women: Silent No More (Loyola University Press, 1987), carefully tabulates statistics from the U.S. and Europe and finds a distressing portrait of female loss and pain. In three studies he cites, ectopic pregnancies increase after abortion 200%, 300%, as much as 800%. For every 100,000 ectopic pregnancies, there are 300 rupture/hemorrhage deaths. Ironically, abortion advocates distort these figures to prove that pregnancy is dangerous.

    Reardon’s book further exposes the lie that abortion is safer than childbirth. It is no surprise that abortion providers have tried to set our minds to rest by providing the political push to eliminate uniform legal requirements for reporting abortion related deaths. In the years when there was an accurate reporting procedure, Oregon reported 14 deaths per 100,000 legal abortions, compared with 8 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births. Maryland reported 40 deaths per 100,000 abortions, compared to 23 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births. In Sweden and Denmark, abortion mortality rates are twice the maternal death rate and conditions are safer there.

    Here are some specific cases of women who died from their legal abortions:

    1. Women’s Care Center in Miami killed four mothers and their babies from 1979-83.21 (1)

    2. In Los Angeles, a 16-year-old Hispanic girl bled for five hours during an abortion of her six-month-old unborn baby and died of cardiac arrest. Her family filed a lawsuit against Dr. Edward Allred, charging that her death resulted from negligence caused by his anti-Hispanic bigotry documented in local newspapers.22 (2)

    3. Dr. James Franklin of Denver left parts of an unborn child inside a 26-year-old patient. When she went home she was packed with gauze and was bleeding profusely. She died two days later of a massive infection.23 (3)

    A Nation of Hurting Women

    “Nearly 80% of the women surveyed believed they were denied information or were actively misinformed by their counselors prior to their abortions … nearly 50% complained that they were not told about fetal development.”

    Link

    Women may try to artificially numb the intense pain through drinking or drugs. Many go through unexplained depressions and often the relationship with the father of the baby is destroyed.

    Women Exploited By Abortion (WEBA) was formed to help women overcome being silenced by their shame and to illuminate the reality of abortion as an assault on women at every level of their existence. WEBA is also a refuge and a source of spiritual and emotional healing where members turn their pain and loss into personal growth and compassion for others.

    Nancy Jo Mann, Founder of WEBA, remembers her saline abortion in Aborted Women: Silence No More: “For two hours I could feel her struggling inside me. But then as suddenly as it began she stopped. Even today I remember her very last kick on my left side. She had no strength left. Despite my grief and guilt I was relieved that her pain was finally over. But I was never the same again. The abortion killed not only my daughter, it killed a part of me.”

    The following accounts are of women that WEBA has helped.25 (2)

    * Cindy, 28, was hospitalized for psychiatric disturbances numerous times in the four years following her legal abortion. Four of those times followed serious suicide attempts.

    * Terry, 36, has a recurring nightmare in which a child cries out to her in a pleading voice, reaching with tiny arms, until the scalpel falls, leaving only bloody nubs still reaching.

    * Lynda was 15 when her mother dragged her, begging and crying, into the abortion mill. She was sedated and her mother signed Lynda’s name to a consent form. Lynda has never been emotionally stable enough to return to high school.

    * Debbie became pregnant as a result of rape. Following her abortion she suffered complications which culminated in a hysterectomy. Worse than her physical trauma was the realization that, “the man who raped me took a few minutes of my life, but I took my baby’s entire life … I perpetuated the worse crime. How I wish there had been one person who had offered love, support and encouragement.”

    * Karen Sullivan experienced nightmares, depression and suicidal thoughts the months and years after her abortion. She remembers: “During the abortion I looked down and saw the bits and pieces of my baby floating in a pool of blood. When I screamed, “I killed my baby!” the counselor told me, “Shut up.” Today she wonders, “Since when has death become good for us?”

    Can the brutality of abortion be a benefit for pregnant teens? Reardon found that those for whom abortion seems therapeutically “indicated,” i.e. victims of rape or incest, women too young or poor or troubled, seem to be the ones who suffer most from the trauma of abortion. This finding lays to rest the assumption that legal abortion might be tragic but necessary in the hard cases.

    Abortion proponents often claim that a woman denied an abortion may attempt suicide. However, suicide among pregnant women has always been extremely rare. In Ohio there were only two maternal suicide deaths from 1955-1963.26 From 1938-1958, over 13,500 Swedish were denied abortion. Only three committed suicide.

    While maternal suicide is rare, women often attempt suicide after an abortion. A pediatric journal warned pediatricians to be on the lookout for young teenage girls who attempt suicide after legal abortion.28 In 1981, Meta Uchtman, regional director of Cincinnati Suiciders Anonymous testified before the Cincinnati City Council, “Of over 4,000 that were seen by our group, 1,800 or more had had abortions.

    Oh here is a bit on if they can’t get a legal abortion they will get it by coathanger or less reputable means:

    Another claim we hear is that most women who are refused access to legal abortion will get abortions elsewhere, either out of the country or illegally. This is not true. In Canada, of 6,000 women who were denied abortion, only 13% of them got abortions anyway. The vast majority decided to keep their children. The study found that there were no major psychological problems associated with the women or children they gave birth to.

    Many good, well-intentioned people support abortion because of what the media and the pro-abortionists have been saying: That it is good for women, that legal abortion is safe, illegal abortion is unsafe (killing thousands of women yearly), that women will get abortions anyway, etc. In short, this nation has been deceived and many of those who are committed to legal abortion do not know all of the facts.

    Pro-life people are not taking the easy way out. Brave and generous behavior can be stressful. Being right does not ensure personal peace.

    Nobody should make moral judgements purely on the basis of the resultant pleasure or pain. Abortion is wrong not because it will bring pain, though it will. Protecting human life is right because it perserves what God creates for His eternal purpose.

    IF you took the time to read through all this, I would be happy to hear some of your arguements for legal, supposedly ‘safe’ abortions.

    I will not post the pictures because even as a grown man, and a father, I cannot look at abortions or cruelty to children without it seriously tearing me up. But if you wish to peruse the pictures of how an abortion is down, including partial-birth abortions, I will post you a link.

    Let me know.

  13. benning says:

    Lorica, I think steve was being snarky towards women. steve is just a chauvinist. LORD knows his spelling is horrid, so it may be a mistake.

    andrew, abortions that are safe … well, they won’t be mine, as a male can’t have one. But link to one that is safe. RU-486 has been proven to be a health problem. This new one is being rushed through testing, not because it’s a life-saver, but for political reasons. Show me the safe abortion drug/procedure. Give us the link, please. Reality

  14. andrew says:

    “IF you took the time to read through all this, I would be happy to hear some of your arguements for legal, supposedly ‘safe’ abortions.”

    They should be made safer. Agreed?

  15. I know what you said Andrew. I reject it out of hand as being the usual crap Liberals like to toss around. Got it?

    - Bang **==

  16. The thing thats so dumb about your arguments, well theres too many to list actually…. but one glaring example is your own phelandering idol slick Willey said it best:

    “Abortions should be safe, legal, and rare”

    - Bang **==

  17. - Philandering – PIMF

  18. andrew says:

    “”Abortions should be safe, legal, and rare””

    They should be as rare as people want them. I trust women to decide. Not politics.

  19. Lorica says:

    Then Andrew, each individual state should let the PEOPLE vote as to whether they want them to be preformed in their state and not force us to have them. But nooooo can’t have that now can we. – Lorica

  20. sanity says:

    As Women Decide, but then you have groups such as NARAL and Planned Prenthood giving them wrong information and outright lying to women.


    A Nation of Hurting Women

    “Nearly 80% of the women surveyed believed they were denied information or were actively misinformed by their counselors prior to their abortions … nearly 50% complained that they were not told about fetal development.”

    You want to start somewhere, start with councelors, those who are suppose to be helping these women, yet only seem to be interested in filling some unknown quota (sarcasm).

    Then have licensed doctors specifically for these procedures, and make them go through extensive training, since we fiund these safe abortions are not so safe, we just are fed this, but find out otherwise as you can read above.

    Also I think a woman should have some counceling with someone who is NOT associated with NARAL, or Planned Parenthood or even a right to life person. Someone who is generally interested in the well-being of the woman and the baby she carries and who will sit down and talk with earnest of the real dangers that could happen with her if she goes through the process and how it may affect her life.

    If the woman is still bent on having an abortion after that THEN, it should be her right, but she should only have that right after she is equipped with the proper knowledge and FULLY understands what the possibilities hold for her if she has this procedure.

    Also, not sure if it is, but I do not want this as state or federally funded. This is a procedure option she is choosing, UNLESS it can be proven it is life or death or in cases of Rape or Incest. All other cases I think the mother woman should have to pay for a optional procedure to child birth- abortion.

    Does that seem more reasonable?

  21. - Andrew I can’t tell you the number of woman I’ve heard say they have deep regrets for having aborted their babies. Thats with no real effort to research he subject on my part, which probably indicates what we actually know about is just the tip of the iceburg. A number of the so called “womens choice groups” have all the earmarks of outside the mainstream mysogonistic men/children haters, or other shady agenda’s. I wouldn’t trust them as far as I could throw them. The last thing in this world anyone should want is a choice of life and death being left to someone with an anti-life attitude to begin with. All abortions should be determined by physicians. Period.

  22. Oh and btw…. you say you don’t want abortions to be decided by politics. What the hell do you think groups like NARAL are, sewing clubs. Its the same old story. Everytime you try to follow a Liberals position on anything it always comes down to supporting whatever gives you an escape hatch for personal responsibility. You say you want the woman to decide. How can she decide when shes being fed a skewed anti-life viewpoint at the very time when shes the most emotional and needs the very best of advice, not a warped asocial agenda based on NARAL type brain washing. Its all just more “progressive” BS.

    - Bang **==

  23. andrew says:

    “Then Andrew, each individual state should let the PEOPLE vote as to whether they want them to be preformed in their state and not force us to have them. But nooooo can’t have that now can we. – Lorica”

    That’s not letting women decide. That’s letting political majorities decide. I trust individual women. Not political majorities.

    “Does that seem more reasonable?”

    I think the choice should be informed. Sure. Run you commercials and make your case. But individual women decide.

    “- Andrew I can’t tell you the number of woman I’ve heard say they have deep regrets for having aborted their babies.”

    Well, they decided wrong then. There’s no way to guarantee that doesn’t happen.

  24. - I just wonder sometimes what all the millions of babies that have been aborted under your “freedom to choose” rules since Roe versus Wade, would have to say to you if they were alive now and knew you wated them dead. Great platform to run your Liberal leaders on isn’t it. I’ll tell you what I think is going to happen. As more and more middle America comes to understand what you asshats have been up to for the past 30 years, you’re not going to be able to win any National elections for generations.

    - Bang **==

  25. “Well, they decided wrong then. There’s no way to guarantee that doesn’t happen.”

    No. Theres no way to gaurentee it. But starting off with honest conseling, un-skewed consoling, has got to be better. You can’t gaurentee you won’t be run over tomorrow either. But chances are if you don’t play in the middle of a freeway, your prospects for living will be much improved.

    Anyway, as usual your arguments make no sense, and I have to believe thats why you cherry pick and never respond to any points that show your weakness on the issues.

    - Bang **==

  26. Pam says:

    Where is everyone getting the idea that this procedure is safer that going to the clinic? We are discussing a 2 step procedure in ENGLAND in which the woman goes and gets one drug, takes it and then approximately 2 days later must go back to the hospital, obviously for observation, while the baby is expelled. This is nothing more than inducing a miscarriage to happen. The problem with the scenario is the fact that this is particular statement, which negates the at-home scenario, because the only thing you did at home was take the first pill:

    Usually women remain in hospital after taking the second pills until the abortion is complete. Under the trials they took both sets of pills within local community clinics to test the theory that it is safe to be outside hospital, and therefore at home.

    So now we went from a 2 hour procedure at the local abortion clinic, to a 3-4 day ordeal.
    The study doesn’t touch base on allegies.

    How many of the women tested have been successful in getting pregnant again?

    How many that have been successful in getting pregnant again have had children with birth defects?

  27. Lorica says:

    See Andrew that is the problem. You see the people as a political party. That just isn’t true. The Founding Fathers trusted the people to do what is right, and that is true in this case too. – Lorica

  28. andrew says:

    “No. Theres no way to gaurentee it. But starting off with honest conseling, un-skewed consoling, has got to be better.”

    The start counseling. Stop telling me about it.

    “See Andrew that is the problem. You see the people as a political party. That just isn’t true. The Founding Fathers trusted the people to do what is right, and that is true in this case too. – Lorica”

    You trust majorities exerting government force: Faction. I trust individuals.

  29. Lorica says:

    No Andrew I trust people. Even people such as yourself. I do not, nor will I ever just follow the crowd which is what you are insinuating, which I don’t particularly care for. It seems to me that a person who is calling a specific vote amongst many individuals a faction or perhaps a mob mentality is fearful that his thinking is out of the mainstream. Think about what you said. Is that why we have prisons because of the exertion of government force??? Maybe we should just let all the criminally minded out of prison so that we won’t put undue exertion on them. Hate to have such stress on criminals don’t cha know. You are quick with the pat answers but they really are not making any sense. Perhaps from here on out we should just let the individuals you trust preform their own surgeries. Set their own rules, make their own laws. That’s it Andrew, I think you hit on something. Scripture says something about this mentality. It says that each individual did what was right in his own eyes. Good luck with that – Lorica

  30. andrew says:

    Lorica: I’m talking about abortion here. Nothing else.

  31. Baklava says:

    Your obsessed…

  32. andrew says:

    “Your obsessed…”

    As evidenced by a discussion of abortion on a post about abortion. of course!

  33. Lorica says:

    Well Bak you got one of them to admit he is obsessed. Congratulations.

    Abortion has grown so far out of the orginal intent of Roe Vs Wade it is ridiculous to believe that this is just about abortion. This is about a mentality that is always wanting the most convienient way out of it’s problems. Abortions at home. 30 years ago do you think that was the intent of Roe, to have No Medical personel overseeing for the safety of the patient?? Do we know any adverse effects this drug has with any other drug?? Can we trust the FDA to give us all the information about this drug?? Can we trust the FDA?? They wanted one of these drugs sold over the counter. Do you see where I am going Andrew?? We need to relook at this topic. We need to look into the FDA. I want to know how an FDA approved drug is killing people, Viaox. THen I want to know why there is no FDA responsiblity for these drugs. People have died from this type of drug Andrew. I want to know why, before we continue. – Lorica

  34. GBA says:

    I don’t get it.
    It’s really simple to me.

    If you are against abortion then you should not get one. But if you are against freedom you’re a traitor. Freedom is the ability to choose or determine your future. Self determination is not a new concept. Our country was founded on it.

    If you want to push your religous beliefs on others you are no better than than the Taliban.

    A religious zealot in America is no different than a religous zealot in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan. In the end all religious zealots are a danger to freedom, equality, justice and democracy.

    Frankly as a man I think I tend to stay away from issues that belong to women. Men don’t get abortions so it stands to reason that we should let the ladies deal with this one by themselves. And if it’s as simple as a pill and a visit with a physician then that’s progress.

    The counseling argument is based on the idea that women are stupid and incapable of self determination. The fact of the matter is that women mature far faster than men, are more cerebral than men and generally are harder working than men. So it’s probably not necessary to counsel them at all in the first place.

    As far as safety is concerned professional abortions are no more dangerous than a vasectomy or breast implants. And as for drugs. People die every year from antibiotics, heart medication, anti-depressants. So what!

    4 million children die of starvation every year and here we are bantering about the ones that are not even taken their first breath of life.

    Responsible sexual behavior should be taught in the home not regulated by the government.

    We all know that those who oppose the right to choose have no intention whatsoever to care for or rear the children of unwanted pregnancies. And the state welfare systems are full of children already. Pro-lifers may wave a flag of self-righteousness but in the end they will ultimately turn their back on the children they forced women into having.

    Even my own sister is going to China to adopt a baby because she does not want a black or hispanic baby even though they are plentiful here in America, she wants a white baby but is willing to settle for an asian baby. But she would swear up and down that she hasn’t a racist bone in her body. Do you believe her?

  35. sanity says:

    GBA obviously didn’t read what was pointed out and said this, The counseling argument is based on the idea that women are stupid and incapable of self determination. The fact of the matter is that women mature far faster than men, are more cerebral than men and generally are harder working than men. So it’s probably not necessary to counsel them at all in the first place.


    “Nearly 80% of the women surveyed believed they were denied information or were actively misinformed by their counselors prior to their abortions … nearly 50% complained that they were not told about fetal development.”

    It has NOTHING to do with saying any woman is stupid, those are your words and not what we are pointing out. They probably don’t even need counceling in the first place? HELLO?!? These women are under going a medical procedure, they should be informed of any risks and possible side effects that will cause them harm or adverse reactions in the future. Just because they mature faster than men does not mean they know everything in the world, they still need to know the risks and probelms involved.

    Even so, 80 percent, yes, 80 percent believe they were denied proper information and/or was misinformed.

    You can be as mature and smart as you can be, but you still need facts given to you. Unless ever woman is an expert in OBGYN and abortions. If not, they need to be informed.

    As far as safety is concerned professional abortions are no more dangerous than a vasectomy or breast implants. And as for drugs. People die every year from antibiotics, heart medication, anti-depressants. So what!

    Ok this is just an assinine statement in itself and has already been refuted earlier.

    4 million children die of starvation every year and here we are bantering about the ones that are not even taken their first breath of life.

    Do you know the statistics on who many abortions each year?
    Approximately 1,370,000 abortions occur annually in the U.S., Link
    Also, 4 million children die a year of starvation? Please give me proof because it seems you pulled that one out of an orifice.

    Responsible sexual behavior should be taught in the home not regulated by the government.

    About the only thing in which you posted I agree on.

    We all know that those who oppose the right to choose have no intention whatsoever to care for or rear the children of unwanted pregnancies. And the state welfare systems are full of children already. Pro-lifers may wave a flag of self-righteousness but in the end they will ultimately turn their back on the children they forced women into having.

    There are many options available besides killing a baby because the person was having unprotected sex.

    Personal responsibility does not mean getting rid of what you created.

    If I am to take care of you when you get to old to care for yourself, does that mean I can just up and “abort” you as a senior citizen? Yes, it may seem like a reach, but how many senior citizen when they get to old have other backs turned to them are put in homes? Yes, I used it as an extreme example to what you are saying to show just how rediculous it sounds.

    One should not abort life because they don’t want to be inconvienenced.

    Even my own sister is going to China to adopt a baby because she does not want a black or hispanic baby even though they are plentiful here in America, she wants a white baby but is willing to settle for an asian baby. But she would swear up and down that she hasn’t a racist bone in her body. Do you believe her?

    What you sister wants in adoption is her choice. If she wants white, blue green, orange, whatever…it is her choice.

    Adoption doesn’t mean adopting the first child shoved at you and there is a process.

    Also, to revert back to what you said earlier:

    But if you are against freedom you’re a traitor. Freedom is the ability to choose or determine your future. Self determination is not a new concept. Our country was founded on it.

    If you want to push your religous beliefs on others you are no better than than the Taliban.

    Ok, this also is a rediculous notion.
    If your against freedom, then first off, your in the wrong damn country to start with.

    Second, if your against freedom, and if you are you an idiot, then you most likly a lover of the communists system where you have no freedoms.

    What this country was founded on was FREEDOM. The whole basis of why this country was started was based on FREEDOM. The founding fathers fled an oppressive king to be free and establish a society based on those freedom, which they wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights to ensure those Freedoms.

  36. andrew says:

    “Do we know any adverse effects this drug has with any other drug?? Can we trust the FDA to give us all the information about this drug?? Can we trust the FDA?? They wanted one of these drugs sold over the counter. Do you see where I am going Andrew?? We need to relook at this topic. We need to look into the FDA”

    Hey, I’m all for effective regulation of drug safety.

  37. blogagog says:

    I’ve heard that this pill is fatal to the baby almost 100% of the time. That doesn’t sound safe to me.

  38. GBA says:

    Sanity,

    I hear you.

    And I did pull that number out of my a$$. I was wrong. It’s not 4,000,000 dead children it’s actually 6,000,000 dead children accoring to the United Nations.

    http://www.fao.org/documents/show_cdr.asp?url_file=//docrep/005/y7352e/y7352e03.htm

    Women don’t need counseling for abortion. Maybe they did when it first was legalized nationally but nobody lives in a vacuum anymore. Ignorance is not an excuse.

  39. crystal says:

    I honestly think that if a woman gets pregnant and wants to have an abortion then everyone else should mind their own busniess. Dont all humans have the right to do as they please when it comes to a subject like this..I also would like to add that if at home abortions werent safe they wouldnt have them read more into your facts before you sit here and judge people. what about the women who cant afford to have a child do you want that child to put into some foster home to be molested or have something bad happen to them. think before you judge, get your facts before you make a comment.