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Jimmy Carter: Once more on the side of the Palestinians
Writing in today’s Washington Post, the former president calls makes a plea for the US and Israel to not “punish” the Palestinians as a result of the recent elections there where the terrorist group Hamas won a majority of Parliament seats. Furthermore, he seems to still want to believe that Hamas is interested in a peaceful coexistence with Israel (emphasis added):
The role of the prime minister was greatly strengthened while Abbas and Ahmed Qureia served in that position under Yasser Arafat, and Abbas has announced that he will not choose a prime minister who does not recognize Israel or adhere to the basic principles of the “road map.” This could result in a stalemated process, but my conversations with representatives of both sides indicate that they wish to avoid such an imbroglio. The spokesman for Hamas claimed, “We want a peaceful unity government.” If this is a truthful statement, it needs to be given a chance.
During this time of fluidity in the formation of the new government, it is important that Israel and the United States play positive roles. Any tacit or formal collusion between the two powers to disrupt the process by punishing the Palestinian people could be counterproductive and have devastating consequences.
Unfortunately, these steps are already underway and are well known throughout the Palestinian territories and the world. Israel moved yesterday to withhold funds (about $50 million per month) that the Palestinians earn from customs and tax revenue. Perhaps a greater aggravation by the Israelis is their decision to hinder movement of elected Hamas Palestinian Legislative Council members through any of more than a hundred Israeli checkpoints around and throughout the Palestinian territories. This will present significant obstacles to a government’s functioning effectively. Abbas informed me after the election that the Palestinian Authority was $900 million in debt and that he would be unable to meet payrolls during February. Knowing that Hamas would inherit a bankrupt government, U.S. officials have announced that all funding for the new government will be withheld, including what is needed to pay salaries for schoolteachers, nurses, social workers, police and maintenance personnel. So far they have not agreed to bypass the Hamas-led government and let humanitarian funds be channeled to Palestinians through United Nations agencies responsible for refugees, health and other human services.
This common commitment to eviscerate the government of elected Hamas officials by punishing private citizens may accomplish this narrow purpose, but the likely results will be to alienate the already oppressed and innocent Palestinians, to incite violence, and to increase the domestic influence and international esteem of Hamas. It will certainly not be an inducement to Hamas or other militants to moderate their policies.
Evidently, Mr. Carter needs to be reminded about a few things here. First, the recent statement Hamas leader Khaled Meshal (emphasis added):
JERUSALEM, Jan. 28 — The exiled political head of the radical Islamic group Hamas said Saturday in Damascus, Syria, that the group would adopt “a very realistic approach” toward governing the Palestinian Authority and would work with the Fatah president, Mahmoud Abbas, on an acceptable political program.
But the leader, Khaled Meshal, also said Hamas would not “submit to pressure to recognize Israel, because the occupation is illegitimate and we will not abandon our rights” nor would it disarm, but would work to create a unified Palestinian army.
He insisted that “resistance is a legitimate right that we will practice and protect” and he defended attacks on Israeli civilians, which included many suicide bombings until a cease-fire nearly a year ago. Then he said Hamas was “ready to work with Europe and even the United States if they wish.”
The former prez also needs to be refreshed on the Hamas agenda (via their charter):
“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.”
[…]
“The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up.”
[…]
“There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.”
He’s also needs to realize that Hamas is not a “militant” group – I know he rejects the use of the word “terrorists” to describe Hamas, but frankly there is no other way around it. They are what they are: terrorists It’s like calling the 9-11 terrorists militants. It just doesn’t fit. The sooner Carter realizes that the better.
Carter continues to be an embarassment on the world stage regarding the Middle East peace process. I respect his work with Habitat for Humanity but as far as his international savvy, he’s sorely lacking and quite frankly I wish he’d put a lid on it.
More: Ankle Biting Pundits slams Carter’s latest attempt at appeasement.
Related Toldjah So posts:
- NYT denounces US, Israel on handling of Hamas – but praises Putin
- House Republican to introduce bill to slash PA funding
- Hamas leader won’t change attitude towards Israel
- LATimes channels Jimmy Carter on Hamas
- Bad news for the Middle East – Hamas wins Palestinian elections
- Jimmy Carter and the “so-called terrorists”
- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon suffers severe stroke
- UN Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People
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Israel in Bible Maps
The Coastal Plain of the Mediterranean
Ancient Islamic Maps
Muslim maps of the 1st half of the 13th Century
Additional Rare Muslim Ancient Maps
Map of Israel, Syria and Jordan (Library of Congress)
By the way, even the Library of Congress shows no Palestine Country.
Historical Maps of Israel by date
Ancient Jerusalem Map
Jerusalem 1000 BC
Jerusalem 970 BC
Jerusalem 1883
Jerusalem 1912
Jerusalem 1915
Macedonian Empire 336 – 323 BC
The Califate in 750
Ancient Palestine 1926
The map is called that but I see Israel but no Palestine, unless I missed it somewhere.
Though I am no expert by far, it did not take me long to search up some maps. If I am not mistaken was there not a war in which Israel won and overtook enemy land at that time which became part of Israel?
If you think any land that is won in times of war should be give back, we will lose portions of the US and many other countries will have to give back other pieces of land and the up-to-date maps of the world will have to be redrawn.
For additional Ancient World Maps you may be interested in you can go HERE, which is an excellent source.
Anyways, have fun looking at the maps, it was very interesting to see the maps from the Old World Perspective.
GBA: change the dial. Cruise on over to KIMHOS (Kevin Is My Hair Okay Sites) in the “Not Zone – a year of being conflicted”. Read the gripping personal story from Ubil-kassim #199 and then the Hamas quotes she provides in #204 thru #212. At last body count there were 300 comments, mostly a waste of time due to their antagonistic and juvenile rhetoric. Report back with your analysis/findings.
Forest,
You are out of your mind if you think I am subscribing to the HAMAS ideology.
I am only saying that these idiots are incapable of coming to peace by themselves and the US should intervene and save lives and billions of dollars. Are you against saving lives?
You can claim whatever side you want. But your sentiment does not match the body count. Nor does it reflect the tremendous waste of US treasure on a conflict that is in no way beneficial to US interest.
GBA: I forgot to leave the post/story title “Human Touch”, if that aint rich!
Sanity,
Check your New Testament map. It’s all Palestine from the Sinai to the Bekka Valley.
And on the King David map Gaza and most of the West Bank are also not part of Israel.
So what’s the point you are making?
GBA: I’m not suggesting any such thing what so ever. Clearly you’ve disobeyed orders and haven’t checked out her story. I thought you might get/gain something from this in terms of additional understanding. It’s not a wild goose chase.
I’m not your enemy.
Forest,
Who are you to give orders to anyone?
All I read was someone elses blog entry. Can you reference any facts?
Entry #199 is exactly why the US should intervene.
That other garbage is hate bases pure hatred. Which is yet another reason to intervene.
GBA the point I was making was essentially you guys were arguing about land, and who had what.
So after reading Pam’s 8:46 post, I decided to start looking at maps and posting some links to them so everyone can look for themselves. And so they have accurate inofmration to argue thier points on.
As for what land who had, as I said, I beleive there was a war, and Israel won, and the land they ‘occupy’ was spoils or land taken during that war. Which became part of Israel.
GBA; Relax, the order comment was intended to be humorous, which is why I said, I am not your enemy.
Intervention is not on the table nor should it be. The world has ridiculed the biggest giver ever in recorded history and lives will be wasted/sacrificed, but not due to our lack of intervention. They, not the US, have voted for Hamas and their democratic option is at hand. It’s about to get as ugly as the UN’s handling of nearly everything they’ve been in contact with.
This is not a simple issue and forgive me if you think I’m oversimplifying it or am without human compassion. I’d be there in a heartbeat if I’d ever seen some kind of a sign of understanding and acceptance for the help the US has done over the years, as opposed to the middle finger! This next chapter will be more than survival of the fittest.
What you read, if you read the #’s I posted, are Hamas quotes of the their campaign promises. I assume you read her story. I told you the rest was not worth the effort, apparently you didn’t believe me.
Reality is sometimes, not pretty or the ugliest thing you’ve yet to imagine and I would be for saving the lives and souls of everyone who cannot resist this evil in control of their freedoms, but I am not God, just a man.
America the beautiful, we are lucky/fortunate indeed and we are not what’s depicted by every twisted puke who want to or think it proper to dis’ us. Standby! There are about to be even more serious consequences and sadly, the Palestinians will pale in comparison.
Forest,
No.. I read all of it.
Her story contained as much hatred as the other posting you mentioned and upon further reading It was disturbing to find neo-nazi type anti-semetic rhetoric in other posts.
Talk about free speech. The blog is crazy.
Sanity,
There is nothing wrong with the spoils of war and gaining territory from conflict. But creating a culture of perpetual oppression and blatant human rights atrocities is not condonable. It’s not nearly as evil as terrorism. but it is still evil.
For a more accurate New testament map you can see HERE
What is wierd is I run into links that say Palestine, but when looking at the maps I see nothing that says Palestine, unless it is a derivitive of Philistine or Philistine. I do not know.
900 – 772 BC Divided Kingdom Map shows Israel and Judah plainly, Philistia (which maybe someone can help me, is this now suppose to have been Palestine?).
Philistia has a small strip along the great sea, with borders of Judah which was next to the Dead sea and had Jerusalem within Judah. Now I am assuming that war broke out some time and Judah was taken, annexed into Israel (which is to the north), and Philistia (which has Gaza) I assume was taken also in the war.
Is this correct?
If it is, should Israel be forced to release lands taken in war?
Also, since Israel is plainly seen on the maps on ancient texts in the Northern parts, Palestine (which looks to have been a very small strip next to the sea) seems to think they should have the whole region and Israel should be completely wiped off the map.
There has been UN drawn plans to give Palestine back certain portions of the Lands which they have outright refused, instead they wish nothing more ot wipe Israel off the map. Compromise has been tried, the Palestinians wants all (including everything of Israel) or nothing.
How can Carter say we should keep funneling money into a people who want nothing more to wipe out our allies, who will not compromise. Who even now, with Israel trying to put forth peaceful efforts and gave back Gaza and are still attacked. Palestinians are given something and yet stil strike out, still murder, still become terrorists against Israel. And we should suport this? Because the MILLIONS of dollars funneled to them goes for what? Weapons? Bombs?
I am all for helping the PEOPLE of need medical help, but to just give them money to for whatever they feel like with? No.
You have a terrorists organization that has been elected by the palestinians.
Should we support that? No.
Why? Because the history of Hamas, recent history of Hamas. Because Hamas vows to wipe out Israel, to continue to kill and murder.
Another reason is that Carter was one of the worlds worst presidents for the US, and suddenly we should listen to him?
What has he really done right all these years and even in his own presidency that would warrant listening to him on foriegn policy?
Ungh, need to learn to condense my posts.
Just looked back and went..ack! Sorry.
Sometimes one does not have to travel thousands of miles to find ‘the enemy.’ Sometimes your enemy lives at the end of your own block.
Jimmy Carter a man so absent of a spine, he wants to continue to support the people who
immediately convert the money in to more gunfire ,explosives, and death on Israel. Yes, with the remaining ten dollars the Palestinians buy a sandwich. At the end of the day, was it really worth it? I think no. Down with Hamas. Violence on Israel – No money, no further negotiations – until some change comes about. As Queen Latifah would say – “girl, you better recognize!”
Ramsey Clark – Former Attorney General under Carter – Activist, American Embarrassment, Extremist? – Read for yourself and decide. Let me give you my feeling on Clark – This is a guy who actually wants to be Saddam’s lawyer!
Jimmy Carter’s version of America is not a safe place to be. He is a man of his word, until it changes. Like Scarface, Jimmy tells the truth, even when he lies. –my 2 cents
sanity- No it is not. Here is a start on the origin of Palestine
GBA- Where have you been? For almost 40 years we have been intervening and having “peace talks”. Now we are laying down the rules. Stop the attacks or you get no money. It is really basic. The people are in charge of their destiny.
According to my old maps we don’t own Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, etc.
If Mexicans use these maps as evidence that they should blow themselves up in our cafe’s, pizzerias, buses, weddings then I’m in favor of doing nothing to protect ourselves, or at least making sure we use no helicopters and rockets because that’ll be a point against us and even negotiating with the terrorists to give them 97% of their land back.
It’s the new way according to GBA. Who cares what homes were built on what used to be non-developed land and who cares that the value of the land has increased over 20,000 times because of development and the borders were drawn the way they were. Forever more let their be bombing of innocent civilians because we are evil and the people who are stuck in the 1700’s are pure and innocent.
Pam,
The Unites States has never put troops on the ground in Palestine?
We have never intervened with anything but lip service and money with regards to Palesinians and the disputed lands.
I am talking about force!
The Israelis, the Jordanian, And the Syrians would not dare attack the US for intervention.
I am talking about justice, law and order and humanity returning to Palestine.
I am not talikng about having nice talks with anyone or squandering hard earned US taxpayers dollars.
We have the power to end this once and for all. But are we brave enough to do what is right?
Peace in this region puts billions of dollars back into the US economy just from the foreign aid alone. And I can’t think of any reason not to do it. Perpetual religious hate based conflict is not in our national interest in my opinion.
It is enormously clear that these two faction do not have the will, desire or the tools to bring about peace by themselves. It’s about time to force feed them.
Perhaps Carter is wrong about funding the Pals. But if we stop aid to Palestine. Why should we not stop aid to Israel?
GBA- How about we let the Palestinians take care of themselves in this one. How about we let them determine if the suffering from economic sanctions is worth their hate of the Jews. I notice you have strayed from the issue of Arafat and his money. Just think of how much better off those people would have been had their money remained in their country upon his death, but alas that wasn’t the case was it? Can’t some of their neighbors help them out? You talk about the Israelies as if they brought this upon themselves..they didn’t. The Israelies have made concessions for the sake of peace..what have the Palestians done? Did they really believe that by electing Hamas, everything would be okay?
It seems to me that the problem for us in addressing the terrorists around the world is that they have nothing to lose, and cannot be pressured the way we can bring pressure on a country. Now, since Hamas is an elected party representing a country, they suddenly have something to lose, and a political base that can apply pressure. It’s ideal! It’s the advantage that we have been looking for! Why resist it? Use it!
If Menachem Begin helped to blow-up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which he did, would that make him a terrorist? And when he became the Prime Minister of Israel, was he still a terrorist? Peace
Steve,
Actually Begin was not party to the suicide bombing at the King David Hotel. He vehemently opposed it. He refused to participate.
But Israelis did pioneer the suicide bomber attack.
Some people’s kids!: Pull that water bottle out of your pocket, wipe the dreadlocks out of your eyes and read the label. It should read “Evian” but according to you, it’s “naivE”, which would explain your constant incoherent ramblings. Backwards Specialists or BS for short, have no bearing on an intelligent discussion, as it serves no good purpose.
If George Bush was God instead of the President of the United States, would he still wrong about everything? Always?