Senator Pat Leahy: We’ll become just like the Taliban, Saddam’s Iraq if detainee bill passes (SENATE VOTE: Yeas 65, Nays 34)

Posted by: ST on September 28, 2006 at 3:50 pm

This, I suppose, is Leahy’s way of trying to look tough on terror.

Greg Tinti has the video and transcript.

Sound familiar?

Here’s the latest on the Senate debate on the bill. The Republicans in the Senate displayed some backbone on this one, rejecting the moderate Republican Arlen Specter’s amendment to the bill, which, according to the NYT, would have created “a new system for interrogating and trying terror suspects that would have guaranteed such suspects access to the courts to challenge their imprisonment.”

Must-read: Bob Owens smacks down the NYT editorial page’s stance on the detainee bill.

Update I 4:51 PM: Stay tuned to Allah at Hot Air for the roll call on this vote – the Senate should be voting shortly.

Update II 6:07 PM: Leahy’s on CSPAN right now lying about the NIE report, claiming the adming “held on to it for six months” (which is a lie). Don’t these guys have any shame?

Lying Leahy
Lying Leahy

Update III 6:38 PM: They are voting now.

Update IV 7:01 PM: The usual suspects who have voted have voted so far have voted no: Levin, Leahy, Chafee, Reid. Keep it tuned to C-Span2 if you want to watch the votes as they roll in. I think I see Hillary and Leahy chatting it up. Bleh. Lieberman voted in favor.

Update V 7:05 PM: Yeas 65 – Nays 34

Update VI 7:34 PM: The roll call will be on this page. They have the link up but have not posted the votes.

Update VII 7:49 PM: The votes are posted. Here are the nays:

NAYs —34
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Chafee (R-RI)
Clinton (D-NY)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Wyden (D-OR)

Snowe didn’t vote.

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    1. Drewsmom says:

      Shut up leahy, you rule like a taliban:x

    2. Baklava says:

      Does he have shame?

      If he honestly believes his own premises and drivel, he must be pathological.

    3. Baklava says:

      From Hot Air:

      Bush is taking off the gloves:

      “Democrats offer nothing but criticism and obstructionism and endless second-guessing. The party of FDR (Franklin D. Roosevelt), the party of Harry Truman, has become the party of cut and run” Bush told more than 2,000 cheering loyalists in a Republican fund-raising speech.

    4. Ryan says:

      Ol’ Leaky Leahy and his ilk will continue to lie so long as the MSM doesn’t call them on it.

    5. Mwalimu Daudi says:

      Someone remind me again why Chafee is considered a Republican. Has he ever voted with the Republicans on anything – even something like declaring December to be National Dill Pickle Month?

    6. brad says:

      did they really just take away habeas corpus for all non-americans? wow. I can’t believe its come to this.

    7. Great White Rat says:

      On the other hand, my two moonbat senators both voted FOR the detainee bill. I can understand Menendez – he’s trailing in the polls and is pretending to be tough on terrorists – but Lautenberg? Did his elbow hit the “yes” button on his desk while he was asleep during the vote? :-?

    8. forest hunter says:

      Is this what you mean brad? wow.

      “The Court observed that”[t]he writ of habeas corpus is one of the centerpieces of our liberties. `But the writ has potentialities for evil as well as for good. Abuse of the writ may undermine the orderly administration of justice and therefore weaken the forces of authority that are essential for civilization.’ ” McCleskey, 499 U.S. at 496 (quoting Brown v. Allen, 344 U.S. 443, 512 (1952) (opinion of Frankfurter, J.))”

    9. susan says:

      In case you don’t have it already, here is a link to get your copy of the Military Commission Bill aka Detainee Bill.

    10. brad says:

      Ya thats it. we didn’t take away its abuse. We took it away period. Sad, really. That our elite fears the sunlight of justice.

    11. Baklava says:

      You could say that about FDR, and Lincoln I suppose. It’s neat that the left loves to talk about what someone else fears as if they know what is going on in someone elses mind… Point is … you don’t… Point is… you don’t know history. This is normal stuff during war time and your only way of moving foward is to attack us as if it’s not.

      Sad, really that a brad elite fears the enemy being detained…

    12. NC Cop says:

      “Saddam’s Iraq”?!?!??!!

      Does he even know what the hell went on in Iraq under Saddam? I can assure you it wasn’t belly slaps, cold rooms, and rock music. Government forces murdered, raped and tortured innocent men, women, and CHILDREN simply because they criticized Saddam. They found mass graves with the bodies of women holding their babies with bullet holes through both of them.

      That may actually be the most idiotic statement I have ever heard coming from a democrat, and that says ALOT!!!

    13. brad says:

      But its not like FDR and lincoln in the way that i think its wrong. AFAIK, FDR and lincoln where challenged in court. Removing habeas removes court challenges. I don’t think congressional removal of habeas is normal during wartime.

      Lastly, my concern for habeas is not a concern for the detained enemy: A court will see a habeas challenge and hold the enemy. Its actually a concern for those who are not the enemy and are detained.

    14. Severian says:

      FDR threw American citizens of Japanese descent, in addition to resident aliens, into internment camps for the duration. Lincoln suspended habeus corpus for ALL US CITIZENS. Somehow, even without you being there to wring your hands over it, the country somehow managed to survive intact and return to normalcy. This is nowhere near the suspension of civil liberties either of those two were, and also note that there was serious government censorship of the news in both of those presidents terms. The editors of most of the major newspapers today, like the NYT, would be in jail or hanged in FDR or Lincoln’s time. Time to face reality, this is not, nor are any of the things you and your fellow travelers are shrieking about, anywhere near as severe as has been done in the past, and as should be being done now, and the country still returns to normal. It’s always “the sky is falling” with Democrats and leftists, no sense of perspective or history.

      And these are people who are not innocent little lambs, the number of people we are getting, and who are not released but kept around, are not going to be innocent, very few will be ones we have any doubt about. And even if we do grab some innocents, we at least try not to, and nothing we are doing is as bad as any of our servicemen have been subjected to in every single war we’ve ever fought in.

      Get some perspective.

    15. Great White Rat says:

      Habeas corpus is one of our civil liberties. That means it belongs to our citizens. And that’s the way it should be.

      Not to foreign terrorists, whether they’re captured infiltrating here or on a remote battlefield. Although if you are really concerned about their treatment and rights, brad, you can always volunteer to let the next jihadi we apprehend stay with you instead of at Gitmo. Make sure your will is up to date, though, since you’re likely to get your throat cut for your generosity.

      As for courts being able to distinguish enemies from innocents, that overlooks the fact that your guys wanted to let the detainees shop around for a sufficiently left-wing judge who could be counted on to let them off.

      Sometimes I’m amazed at how clueless the BDS left is. They don’t even have the normal human instinct for self-preservation.:-w

    16. brad says:

      The entire point of habeas is to separate the terrorists from the innocent lambs. Is it that hard to imagine that the government makes mistakes?

    17. The world is blind. A menace is growing every day. It does not grow on a unified front. It is not organized as a country. It does not have a seat at the UN. Some of its membership worldwide are not participating in open acts of violence, yet the insidious oppressive nature of this force finds its ways in through the front door of openness and inclusion. Openness and Inclusion are doctrines of the West. They are noble and just. But taken to the extreme, these doctrines can bring in division and oppression. Peace at any price, meaning the absence of conflict, is the most costly form of peace. It means submission. The world, primarily the West, is submitting. This is the aim of the adherents to the peaceful force that I am describing. Islam.

      To offend somebody in the western Islamic community can bear either violent consequences or western societal submission. The moment speech is abridged, true freedom dies. The moment a woman in Western Civilization hesitates going into public dressed in a certain manner, true freedom dies. The moment law enforcement turns from protecting law abiding citizens, true freedom dies. When the predominating reason for tolerance is precipitated by fear, freedom dies.

      Western society has two choices. Vanquish, or be vanquished.

      Islam, by its nature, is not a status quo worldview. It is a jealous master. It will not submit by choice. If you doubt, open your eyes and read the Quran and the Hadith. Then read history. You can not come away from this study and find a worldview compatible with Western Civilization. This study coupled with today’s headlines is a loud message from over a billion Muslims. It is visible everywhere, even in the UN. To miss this, one must willfully choose to disbelieve glaring evidence.

      Understand, these encroachments on liberty will continue, and like a snowball at the top of a mountain, the onslaught will grow in size and speed. Ask yourself, why do I want to accept and appease Islamists? Is it because of your openness, your respect for multiculturalism? Or are you now starting to fear deep down inside. The hurried frenzy to negotiate and appease a fascist dictator in Iran is a great example of this problem. Iran will become a nuclear power if the world just keeps on negotiating.

      How does it make you feel? Ahmadinejad, Iran’s President, has stated numerous times that the Holocaust did not happen. He has also on numerous occasions called for the Muslim world to envisage a world without Israel. He is very direct in his statements. Ahmadinejad is not alone. There is a hunger in the Muslim world to see the destruction of Israel. It is not just Arabs. It is Muslims worldwide that desire the eventual removal of Israel from the map.

      If you choose to willfully ignore the facts and believe that the threat can be negotiated with and contained, you are mistaken. Again, I ask you to conduct your own study. Read the Quran and the Hadith. Then read history. You can not come away from this study and find a worldview compatible Western Civilization. This study coupled with today’s headlines is a loud message. It is visible everywhere, even in the UN. To miss this, one must willfully choose to disbelieve glaring evidence.

      Bubba’s Pravda

    18. forest hunter says:

      brad do not waste your time and ours, clamoring about such minimal crap, ie your last submission,”The entire point of habeas is to separate the terrorists from the innocent lambs.” absolute unadulterated crap. Get some perspective. Now where have I heard that before?

      For those who would like to see progress do not look to the so-called progressives. Check out this brave woman peeps! Outstanding!

      Semper Fi

    19. brad says:

      Why is it crap? Habeas is the call for the government to justify its detention. Nobody doubts the justification in detaining combatants. It’s in detaining the innocent that we have doubts.

      I agree however, that habeas is not very progressive. Its about 9 centuries old.

    20. Baklava says:

      Enemy combatants can be held during a war for the duration of the war brad. It helped us win WW2, the Civil War and others. While I either applaud your high standards or laugh at your lack of knowledge of history and who rights are afforded to by ‘our’ constitution I’ll whole heartedly disagree with you either way and dismiss your words as you see most doing here.

      I’m for winning the war.

    21. brad says:

      Wow. Its almost as if you didn’t read the part where i said nobody doubts the justification in detaining combatants.