I was waiting for this to happen.
When I read this article from the Washington Times two days ago, where Karl Rove expressed confidence that we were going to retain the House and Senate, and this one from last Sunday where the Washington Post reported that both Bush and Rove were “upbeat” about next month’s elections, I said to myself “how long will it be before someone on the left cooks up a conspiracy theory that all this confidence means that Rove and Bush have either 1) engineered an October surprise and/or 2) gotten Diebold to ‘assure’ us that we will ‘win’ the elections next month?”
It didn’t take long. Via Lyn Davis Lear at the HuffPo (emphasis added):
All week I’ve been reading in disparate sources from Drudge to US News and World Report about Bush, Rove and Cheney being overly confident about the midterm elections. Even Republican strategists are increasingly concerned because the White House doesn’t have a plan if they lose. This lack of planning shouldn’t surprise anyone, but if you really think about it a creepy, crawly feeling grows in your gut.
Here are some questions: Are these guys simply narcissistic idiots Rove-ing around in some never-never land bubble or do they know something we don’t? Have they planned a grab bag nose punch of an October/November surprise? Or have Diebold, ES&S, and local state secretaries assured them that they will do “whatever it takes” to get a Republican Congress elected again? Or are they just planning to outspend us? Karl Rove recently told the Washington Times, “For most Americans, particularly the marginal voters who are going to determine the outcome of the election, it started a couple of weeks ago… Between now and the election we will spend $100 million in target House and Senate races in the next 21 days”. That is $30 million a week in 15 or 16 key races. Knowing this group, the answers must lie in a clever blitzkrieg [Note: Clever insertion of a Nazi reference, eh? It never fails. –ST] combo of all of the above.
When I asked Gore Vidal at dinner why the White House seemed so serene and at ease about the vote, he replied that, this time around, the Bush-Cheney henchmen could simply call on martial law. He glumly noted that we are so far down the road toward totalitarianism that, even if Democrats do win back the Congress, it would take at least two generations before the last six years of damage to the nation could be reversed. Gore frankly despaired that any amount of time could ever return the country to where and what it previously was. This prediction left me reaching for some Fernet Branca.
And her conversation with Gore Vidal has got me reaching for a gag bag. Continuing:
But whether it is hubris, loony tunes, or both, the White House’s freakish calm about the elections makes me as nervous as the hell we seem to be headed for. Therefore we should all be on alert. If for whatever reason we don’t win back Congress in November the only real answer will be to take to the streets.
Got that? It’s the same ol’ same ol’ we’ve come to expect from that far left, with the added threat of “taking to the streets” this time around if they lose. The comments section there at the moment is five pages long and counting, with a lot of ‘amens’ being thrown around amongst the choir.
Nothing, absolutely nothing, demonstrates the sheer denial of reality regarding the left more than their reactions to the last three elections they’ve lost: they were “stolen,” “rigged,” etc - can’t possibly be because Democrats have been rejected on the basis of their ideas (or lack thereof), can’t possibly be because a majority of the American people actually embraced Republican ideas, bbbbecause Americans couldn’t possibly be that stupid, could they? What the left can’t or won’t explain though, is that they haven’t just been losing elections since Bush was ELECTED President, they’ve been losing big since 1994 - but during the 1994, 96, and 98 elections we didn’t hear this massive outcry of election rigging - apparently Democrats losing elections in the 90s had nothing to do with Republicans officials acting nefariously throughout the country - and of course had nothing to do with a rejection of Democratic ideas, oh no - but once Bush came along the left finally found someone they could pin their losses on. For the party of “thinkers”, Democrats aren’t big on self-introspection - it’s always someone else’s fault.
One of the laughable things about the charge of Bush ’stealing elections’ is that on one hand, the majority of the left looks at Bush as a clueless wonder, and have done so from day one. To them, he’s inept in everything he does - yet somehow “Dumbya” knows how to mastermind ’stealing elections’! They’ve never been able to explain how on one hand he’s the world’s biggest idiot, yet on the other hand has managed to orchestrate election fraud on a widespread scale. Probably because this, like so many of their other inconsistencies, is something they can’t explain.
The “taking to the streets” angle in response is something new, though, and unlike the charge of ’stealing elections’, it’s not laughable. The far left’s inability to accept defeat and being out of power during the Bush years via the democratic process hasn’t boiled over to massive waves of violence - yet. We may find out next month whether or not it will. Democratic websites like the HuffPo are already laying the groundwork - just in case.
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She had dinner with Gore Vidal? Did she by any chance ask what he thought of the outing of closeted gays, because they are Republicans?
Comment by stoo @ 10/20/2006 - 10:12 pm
re the “take to the streets” meme–see my post Goon Squad: The Dawning Age of the Thug?
Comment by david foster @ 10/20/2006 - 11:16 pm
- Part of Rove’s genious for political gamesmanship, is his slow, deliberate, underplayed demeener, that keeps the natural paranoid mentalities on the left in a constant state of susspicion, and downright angst, trying to devine his next Uber move. He just add’s to that mythos, by presenting as a non-descript middle aged CPA type from Chicago, who’s biggest brush with excitement is the time he got a parking ticket in front of his office building.
- I’m loving it. As far as “taking to the streets”, this is just another of the childish “tantrum” tactics on the left, whenever mommy voter spanks them.
- For some of their rag tag gaggle that would simply consist of pushing the newspapers off, rolling over and walking up the block. They’ve tried everything so far but hold their breath till they turn purple, yet the only thing they seem to be able to win thus far, is loaded polls.
- When you think about it, since they seem to be unable to grasp its their ideology that America rejects, their paranoia is not that surprising. Lets hope they take a long sidewalk stroll again on Nov. 7th.
- Bang
Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 10/21/2006 - 2:27 am
I would read all of this if it were not so dang late or early depending on what side of the international date line you are on.
By the time I finished reading it my eyes would be blind. It is too late and I am extremely tired. - Lorica
Comment by Lorica @ 10/21/2006 - 2:28 am
Okay, anybody can be either the biggest idiot to ever hold the office, or he can be the greatest evil mastermind with a genius level of Lex Luthor, Thaddeus Sivanna and Professor James Moriarty combined, but he cannot be both. Even if he were the latter, not everybody is intimidated by the threat of mob violence and would view those who engage in such as having declared open season on themselves.
Comment by J Rob @ 10/21/2006 - 5:54 am
LINK
Comment by forest hunter @ 10/21/2006 - 6:00 am
Yeah, Takin It The Streets was a great song by the Dobbie Brothers, I love that group, still liten to the ole stuff.
The scary thing to me is they may just do this. After watchching the brawl at columbia u it could just happen. They can’t stand for the other side to speak a differing opinion and they RIOT to silene them, thats just their way, its pathetic.
I may be an old middle aged broad but if they wanna take it to the streets they may have to confront some ole farts like me and alot of my friends, we will defend our country, we live her too moonbats.
Comment by Drewsmom @ 10/21/2006 - 8:01 am
If for whatever reason we don’t win back Congress in November the only real answer will be to take to the streets.
Is that similiar to how it was in Mexico’s Election?
Big Lizards
Why does “storming the stage” sound familiar when it comes to Democrats? Ah, Gilchrist and the Minutemen speaking engagement. We already see how they act if they don’t like what they see……
Could that happen here?
Is that where we are heading?
I keep seeing the Democrats acting worse and worse. The actions seem to escalate each time they lose.
Is it possible that he Democrats could push a type of “civil-war” between republicans and democrats if this continues to escalate?
What would happen if the democrats decided to say they don’t recognize the results of the election? I could bet there would be riots.
This was the atitude during the Mexican elections:
I know there are attitudes like that among the Democrats, they just haven’t gotten a majority ot suport their attitudes, but what happens if that majority (liberal) takes over the democrat party?
Something to think about.
Comment by sanity @ 10/21/2006 - 8:43 am
Just so I have this straight: Bush will impose martial law to invalidate the elections, but if he doesn’t and the GOP wins, we will “take to the streets” and invalidate the elections.
What a bunch of self-parodying goobers.
Comment by DaveG @ 10/21/2006 - 10:57 am
Sanity wrote, “I keep seeing the Democrats acting worse and worse. The actions seem to escalate each time they lose.”
I agreee. I also think their rhetoric escalates each issue. Accusations of war criminal, unconstitutional, police state, etc.
Comment by Baklava @ 10/21/2006 - 11:04 am
I must say, I am astonished at all the play that that Bush’s and Rove’s “overconfidence” has gotten. What they’ve been saying is political boilerplate, to rally the troops. What do the newsies expect them to say - “Give up, we’re screwed, it’s over”? Of course they’ll say that they’re going to win! To talk about “taking to the streets” over this ephemera is beyond absurd.
Comment by Brown Line @ 10/21/2006 - 11:12 am
Yep Dave G. It’s hard to believe the lefty said it.
Comment by Baklava @ 10/21/2006 - 11:18 am
Take WHAT to the streets? These guys believe in gun control! And we don’t!
Comment by Ken Mitchell @ 10/21/2006 - 11:47 am
Hum that is very interesting, if President George W. Bush is supposedly so stupid by what the Liberals beleive, how is it that he is so brilliant to steal elections right out from under the Intellectual Elitist Liberals noses ?
I know why, it’s because that either George W. Bush is not so stupid but that the Intellectual Elitist Liberals are not so Intellectual and not so brilliant but rather dumber than a box of rocks. 
Comment by Phil @ 10/21/2006 - 11:57 am
“What would happen if the democrats decided to say they don’t recognize the results of the election? I could bet there would be riots.”
I’ve got it: If this happens, just export all the Democrats to Mexico! Then they’ll be among their philosophical compadres down there and can have a nice little riot together, and we can correct the imbalance of having had so many people come up here from Mexico.
(He says, tongue firmly planted in cheek.)
Comment by K-Dog @ 10/21/2006 - 12:03 pm
“Nothing, absolutely nothing, demonstrates the sheer denial of reality regarding the left more than their reactions to the last three elections they’ve lost: they were “stolen,” “rigged,” etc - can’t possibly be because Democrats have been rejected on the basis of their ideas (or lack thereof), can’t possibly be because a majority of the American people actually embraced Republican ideas”
Well, nothing except the fact that they sit on television (or write on blogs) that they’re being silenced, when they’re sitting on television saying it. I think that’s just a breathtaking disconnection from reality.
Comment by rightwingprof @ 10/21/2006 - 12:22 pm
I’m not much for loony conspiracy theories, but if I *was* to entertain one and one only, I’d speculate that the current polls are overinflated and will be used to claim “stolen election” when the anticipated Dem tsunami fails to sweep the GOP away.
Comment by Seafarious @ 10/21/2006 - 12:38 pm
The only way an election could be rigged in the United States on a national scale is if Jimmy Carter our illustrious former president was running it; he has had a lot of practice working for dictators and assuring their elections.
Comment by Ron @ 10/21/2006 - 12:40 pm
The parallel example of Bush concurrently as an idiot and a genius comes from the “Truthers”. Bush had no “gravitas” and had to have the adult Cheney to help him through the most basic of tasks, yet, with the aim of finding an excuse to launch the war, he was able to pull off the surreptitious implosion of two iconic buildings with millions of people watching it all live on TV.
Comment by azlibertarian @ 10/21/2006 - 12:44 pm
Nothing to worry about until we see signes held by the protestors stating:
BEHEAD ALL
WHO INSULT
LIBERALISM!
Then we’ll know we have a problem.
Comment by JohnG @ 10/21/2006 - 12:47 pm
To be fair to the paranoid left: They do not assert that Bush personally is overturning the election by, say, reprogramming the Diebold machines. Instead, Drunken, Demented Bushitler and his rich Saudi-backed oil-cat friends are fronting their money — secretly in league with the smart but evil Joooos and other neocons who do all the thinking — and the Diabolical Dr. Diebold hires some more smart Joooooooos to reprogram the new machines which he knew would be demanded by the helpless rubes after the Repubs stole the paper-ballot in Florida 2000.
See? Stupid Bush is not incompatible with a super-villain Party of Plutocrats.
Comment by DWPittelli @ 10/21/2006 - 1:09 pm
Thank the Lord that the vast majority of liberals are spineless cowards who don’t have the guts to physically confront anyone. Being a keyboard commando in your mothers basement is one thing, taking to the streets in a violent protest is something entirely different.
Comment by Capitalist Infidel @ 10/21/2006 - 1:25 pm
“…on one hand he’s the world’s biggest idiot, yet on the other hand has managed to orchestrate election fraud on a widespread scale.”
Don’t forget that Bush planned the destruction of the WTC towers on 9/11, too.
The Dems have gotten creepy insane.
Comment by Jim, MtnViewCA,USA @ 10/21/2006 - 1:40 pm
They are going to take the battle to the streets?
Don’t sweat it. If they want to shoot it out for control of Congress, I’m game. Conservatives significantly outnumber liberals. At a 1:1 exchange rate the supply of liberals will be exahausted long before the supply of conservatives. Add in that conservatives are much better armed than liberals and the exchange rate will be a lot better for conservatives than 1:1.
Seems to me it’s pretty goofy for liberals to start a war they cannot win, but conservatives will be glad to finish anything they start.
Comment by Mark L @ 10/21/2006 - 2:00 pm
Taking it to the street, my butt. They won’t get 10 feet aways from their keyboards.
Comment by Zhombre @ 10/21/2006 - 2:01 pm
So how long do you think it will be before Pelosi brownshirts go around asking what party you’re with and then ‘capping’ you (metaphorically speaking) for giving the wrong answer?
Comment by Saxman @ 10/21/2006 - 3:43 pm
I hope they bring their giant puppets with them when they hit the streets. Nothing sends the message to the American people that you’re smarter and more qualified to run the country quite like giant street puppets.
Comment by Randy Robinson @ 10/21/2006 - 4:24 pm
“Okay, anybody can be either the biggest idiot to ever hold the office, or he can be the greatest evil mastermind with a genius level of Lex Luthor, Thaddeus Sivanna and Professor James Moriarty combined, but he cannot be both. ”
But… he can, if he’s a werePresident…!
Comment by richard mcenroe @ 10/21/2006 - 4:49 pm
They’ve never been able to explain how on one hand he’s the world’s biggest idiot, yet on the other hand has managed to orchestrate election fraud on a widespread scale.
That’s not quite true. The explanation is that Bush is just a puppet for (Multiple Choice)
a) the neocon cabal
b) Dick Cheney
c) Karl Rove
d) the vast right wing conspiracy
e) all of the above.
By definition, puppets are rather stupid. Its the nefarious hand inside the puppet that is stealing elections. Or so goes the party line, anyway.
Comment by Scott Harris @ 10/21/2006 - 5:02 pm
I don’t think “taking to the streets” is completely new. I was genuinely afraid of the possibility in 2004 because I read about it in various places. In fact, I saw a post from Elizabeth Edwards on one of the radical boards (Democratic Underground, IIRC) asking them to remain calm.
Nothing happened.
Do I take the current rhetoric seriously? Not completely. It’s definitely not a sure thing. How likely? My guess, very unlikely. Based on 2004, nothing will happen. But that doesn’t mean nothing will happen this time or in 2008. I am still afraid something will happen.
I’d say it’s extremely unlikely. But if it does happen, the psychological effect on the country will be devastating. It could start a virtual civil war.
Comment by Jim C. @ 10/21/2006 - 5:23 pm
Take it to the streets?? The folks at that dinner party do not do their own laundry much less would they take it to the streets. Now they might pay someone else to take it to the streets while they hop in a private jet and fly to their villa in the south of France or whatever.
Comment by Terrye @ 10/21/2006 - 5:24 pm
Call me crazy, but “rent a mobs” with signs and so on ar different than rioters a la the 1960s and 70s. Though that would be the likely target of wealthy libs, as Terrye said.
I think the left should reconsider, though, because I still remember in 2000 when they tried the stuff with the Florida recount, Bush supporters hit the streets in protest too. There weren’t a lot of organized things, people came from all over the country and from FL on their own.
Comment by Jersey Dave @ 10/21/2006 - 6:04 pm
Take it to the streets? Well, that means one of two things: Either they’ll take to the streets with their signs and their chants again, or they’ll run around breaking the windows of the local Starbucks and lying down in the middle of the freeway to try to impede traffic again, or stripping down naked, lying down in the grass, and spelling things like “NO WAR” and “BUCK FUSH” with their bodies.
Comment by Aitch748 @ 10/21/2006 - 6:24 pm
They won’t “take it to the streets.” Red-staters drive SUVs.
Comment by Radish @ 10/21/2006 - 6:24 pm
Has it occurred to any of the Democrat Lefty’s involved that “taking it to the streets” means taking their armed-only-with-a-bullhorn anti-NRA little white selves into the streets and going up against … who?
Massively armed, NRA- and military-supporting Republicans who will regard them all as unindicted traitors, and who are more and more showing signs of running out of patience, that’s who.
Do the moonbats *really* want to go there?
I suppose they might think that they’ll have all the illegal Mexicans marching alongside them on the streets … but aren’t the blacks and the Koreans and other minorities just as sick as the rest of us of Mexicans slithering in to take jobs that would otherwise be held by high school graduates or recent immigrants who got here legally, not to mention the burden the illegal hordes are placing on our tax-supported infrastructures?
I repeat — do the moonbats REALLY want to go there?!?
Comment by NahnCee @ 10/21/2006 - 6:26 pm
Thanks for the laugh Radish, that was truly too funny.
It bears repeating:
“They won’t “take it to the streets.” Red-staters drive SUVs. “
I like the idea of sending the liberals down to Mexico. We can make that as a compromise for illegal immigration, we can take the illegal immigrants, grant them worker permits and a chance at citizenship, and close the border after we allow the liberals to go to Mexico.
For the Liberals it would not longer be just Diarhea of the mouth for them…
Comment by sanity @ 10/21/2006 - 7:34 pm
Meanwhile, Drudge is reporting that Barron’s magazine is predicting, after their analysis, that Republicans will hold on to both houses, barely, but hold:
Drudge/Barron’s Link
Maybe it’s time to pick up a few more bricks of ammo…
Comment by Severian @ 10/21/2006 - 8:03 pm
The technique was tested in the 2004 elections with exit polling “proving” the Democrat lead, giving rise for some to claim is was proof of the election being stolen. Looking at unions like the SEIU and their relationship to the international left, and the recent problems in Mexico become all the more troubling. It’s a model for what could happen here. On one hand, gadflys and moobats are spewing paranioa about the fitness of the American electoral process, on the other hand, internationalist elements would love nothing more than for a sizable segment of the American populace to become convinced their national elections were rigged and stolen by Republicans. There’s some dangerous ingredients in this stew being cooked up. It’s been cooking since 2000.
Comment by willem @ 10/21/2006 - 9:09 pm
Amazing how the Communists try to recapture the glory days of the Oktober Revolution. “Take to the streets!” Yes, and try to bring the Red Terror back.
I hope and trust that GOD is watching and will protect us from these traitors and fools who would destroy this nation and all of us with it.
Vote the Democrats into oblivion!
Comment by benning @ 10/21/2006 - 10:42 pm
I keep thinking of something MaxedOutMama said recently:
“f you want to live under a democracy, you have to renounce your right to be king
There seem to be an awful lot of people these days who are not willing to make this trade–who insist on their right to be king. I posit that there are several sources for this trend:
1)Intellectuals, many of whom would like to see themselves as Philosopher Kings
2)The focus on “self-esteem building” in the schools, resulting on people who have an artificial and brittle sense of self which cannot stand challenges
3)Individuals who have succeeded in a big way in a particular field–usually entertainment–and have become used to deference, and cannot abide disageement with their opinions
Comment by david foster @ 10/21/2006 - 11:09 pm
repost with typos fixed–sorry:
I keep thinking of something MaxedOutMama said recently:
“If you want to live under a democracy, you have to renounce your right to be king
There seem to be an awful lot of people these days who are not willing to make this trade–who insist on their right to be king. I posit that there are several sources for this trend:
1)Intellectuals, many of whom would like to see themselves as Philosopher Kings
2)The focus on “self-esteem building” in the schools, resulting on people who have an artificial and brittle sense of self which cannot stand challenges
3)Individuals who have succeeded in a big way in a particular field–usually entertainment–and have become used to deference, and cannot abide disageement with their opinions
Comment by david foster @ 10/21/2006 - 11:10 pm
- As one wag said in a comment recently:
“Take too the streets….Hell I hope they do….they’ll make easier targets….”
- Bang
Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 10/21/2006 - 11:29 pm
- As one wag said in a comment recently:
“Take too the streets….Hell I hope they do….they’ll make easier targets….”
- Bang
The really sad part about this comment is that it may be prophetic. One wonders whether a prerequisite to overcoming external enemies is to take back America first. Increasingly, and sadly, one wonders whether that can only be done by force.
Comment by Scott Harris @ 10/22/2006 - 10:16 am
Sanity wrote “I keep seeing the Democrats acting worse and worse. The actions seem to escalate each time they lose.”
The only thing that has escalated is their rhetoric. I haven’t seen much action from any of them. No, blogging does not count as action.
Comment by Mikey NTH @ 10/22/2006 - 11:35 am
No action Mikey?
How about the millions of illegals marching with Democrat leaders speaking to them and with them?
How about the liberals on college campuses shutting down and disrupting events?
Sanity said, “actions seem to escalate each time they lose”
How about when they lost in 2000 and leveled all sorts of INACCURATE accusations with the actions of lawyers decending (with their money paying them) into FL cherry picking 3 counties to count more than 4 times until they won until the FL Supreme Court and US Supreme Court did their duty and told people to stick to the rules. The certification date is over losers.
How about the actions of creating ads that have been over the top stating that it was like Bush was dragging James Byrd all over again when the people really responsible were getting the death penalty. Liberals can’t have responsible debate. They have to make accusations. They Hate. They hate Republicans. Their actions are getting worse.
Plenty more ads (actions) where that comes from….
How about their actions of going to foreign countries during a time of war and stating ridiculous things about going to war for oil and giving aid and comfort to the enemy making them feel we are this close “” to pulling out of Iraq if only the enemy kills a few more people…
How about Mock Impeachment Hearings. That’s an action Mikey.
How about the action every day by the liberal legacy drive by media making up stories in Lebanon, and misrepresenting what tax cuts do (double digit revenue increases into the government), environmental crisis stories, I’m bored on this one. It’s every issue every day.
Did I miss anything guys?
Comment by Baklava @ 10/22/2006 - 1:03 pm
How about Forging National Guard memo’s
How about circulating a letter to college campuses giving college kids the “info” that a draft is coming (only ones who are creating bills of the sort are Rangel and company - leftists)
Comment by Baklava @ 10/22/2006 - 1:07 pm
Someone may have already pointed this out, but the “take it to the streets” thing is hardly new. Before the last election, a liberal theater reviewer in the Village Voice casually called for the mass extermination of conservatives, and even John Edward’s wife was rumored to have made some kind of bizarre comment about mass rioting if Bush won.
They’re impotent idiots, and what this bird is talking about is *somebody else* “taking it to the streets”. If they ever did try to overthrow democracy in the country (aside from the usual Chicago vote fraud), they’d learn what “skeet” means.
Comment by Aaron @ 10/22/2006 - 3:20 pm
The best part of a dem failure to take either the house or the senate will be the wave of leftard heads exploding like popcorn in the microwave. Even better would be if W “admitted” that he was selected and not elected, in which case he can run in 2008 for his first term and 2012 for his second. Then the leftard headbangers would be somewhere between cluster munitions and tacNukes. Either of which works for me.
Comment by baslimthecripple @ 10/22/2006 - 3:35 pm
Campaign offices were shot at last election.
Van tires were slashed.
Colonel Alexis Fecteau(google the name) goes on a vandalism spree.
The list of petty moonbat violence is almost endless. They’ve been working up their nerve. A loss this time will generate violence of a higher calibre, bank on it.
Comment by Purple Avenger @ 10/22/2006 - 5:29 pm
What campaign offices were shot at last night?
Comment by Keith @ 10/22/2006 - 5:49 pm
Not Last night Keith, Last Election. - Lorica
Comment by Lorica @ 10/22/2006 - 5:55 pm
Liberals and reading comprehension don’t mix Lorica
Comment by Baklava @ 10/22/2006 - 6:32 pm
So, what campaign offices were shot up in the last election. And, who said I was a liberal?
Comment by Keith @ 10/22/2006 - 6:49 pm
The answer to your first question is about half way down on this article. I did a simple search it was pretty easy to find.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002059735_webbushoffice11.html
And the answer to your second question can be found in any mirror Keith. - Lorica
Comment by Lorica @ 10/22/2006 - 7:19 pm
Also to follow up on my last post. Has Anyone ever been charged in those shootings??? It would be nice to know that the individuals were put behind bars, and had their toys taken from them. - Lorica
Comment by Lorica @ 10/22/2006 - 7:21 pm
Never happend eh Keith:
(i) Violence And Other Incidents of Intimidation
In 2004, Republicans were subject to an aggressive and sometimes violent campaign of
harassment and intimidation orchestrated by Kerry supporters. At least three Bush-Cheney
offices were shot at during the election season. A swastika was burned into the front yard of a
Bush-Cheney supporter in Madison, Wisconsin. Other incidents included offices burglarized,
windows smashed, tires slashed and other property damage. The following is a timeline of
documented election-related violence and intimidation against the Bush-Cheney ‘04 campaign
and Republicans in 2004.
September 2, 2004: Gun Shot Fired Into Huntington, WV, Republican Headquarters.95
September 3, 2004: Windows Broken, Anti-Bush Messages Scrawled At Gallatin County,
MT, Republican Headquarters.96
September 6, 2004: Huntington, WV, Republican Headquarters Egged.97
September 13, 2004: Swastika Drawn On Duluth, MN, Resident’s Lawn, Signs Also
Defaced With Words “Nazi” And “Liar.”98
September 16, 2004: Community College Professor In Florida Punched Republican County
Chairman In Face.99
September 22, 2004: West Elmira, NY, Resident Found Swastika Drawn On Bush
Campaign Sign In His Yard.100
September 23, 2004: Office Ransacked During Break-In At Vilas County, WI, Republican
Headquarters, Obscene Words And Graphic Pictures Sprayed On Campaign Signs.101
September 26, 2004: Windows Smashed And Signs Stolen At Oxford, MS, Bush-Cheney
‘04 Headquarters.102
October 1, 2004: Laptops Of Executive And Field Director Stolen From Bush-Cheney ‘04
Headquarters In Seattle, WA.103
October 1, 2004: Swastika Burned Into Front Yard Of Bush-Cheney ‘04 Supporter In
Madison, WI.104
October 2, 2004: Collinsville, OH, Resident Chains Down Bush-Cheney ‘04 Signs After
Several Signs Stolen And One Was Replaced With Kerry Sign.105
October 3, 2004: Burglary At Thousand Oaks, CA, Victory 2004 Headquarters Where
Bush-Cheney ‘04 Banner Was Stolen From Outside Premises.106
October 5, 2004: Gun Shots Fired Into Knoxville, TN, Bush-Cheney ‘04 Office, Shattering
Office’s Glass Front Doors.107
October 8, 2004: Two Men Were Caught On A Hidden Camera Tearing Down And
Urinating On Bush-Cheney ‘04 Sign In Akron, OH.108
October 9, 2004: Oxnard, CA, Supporter Placing Bush-Cheney ‘04 In Yards Verbally
Abused, Knocked Down And Had Signs Stolen.109
October 9, 2004: Bush-Cheney Signs Near Vail, CO, Cut In Half And Burned In
“Ransacking.”110
October 10, 2004: Office Windows Broken And Field Director’s Laptop Bag and Purse
Stolen In Burglary At Canton, OH, Victory Office.111
October 11, 2004: Windows Broken, Petty Cash Stolen And Computers Tampered With In
Burglary At Spokane, WA, Victory 2004 Headquarters.112
October 13, 2004: Walls And Windows Of York, PA, Victory 2004 Headquarters
Vandalized With Pro-Kerry Spray-Paint And Signs Outside Destroyed.113
October 13, 2004: Window Smashed At Laconia, NH, Victory 2004 Headquarters.114
October 13, 2004: Kerry Supporter Caught Stealing Bush Sign In Cape Girardeau, MO,
Pulled Knife On Sign’s Owner And Was Arrested.115
October 15, 2004: Someone Destroyed Large Plywood Bush-Cheney ‘04 Sign, Then Tried
To Smash Debris Though Glass Door Of Santa Fe, NM, Republican Party Headquarters.116
October 15, 2004: Someone Lined Window Sill With Bullet Casings At Littleton, NH,
Republican Headquarters.117
October 16, 2004: Unknown Suspects Vandalized Large Bush-Cheney Campaign Sign In
Hollister, CA, With Obscenities.118
October 17, 2004: Stickers Placed Over Windows Of Gettysburg, PA, Victory 2004
Headquarters.119
October 18, 2004: Eggs Thrown At Keene, NH, Victory 2004 Headquarters.120
October 18, 2004: 21 Protesters Arrested At Bush-Cheney ‘04 Campaign Headquarters In
Arlington, VA.121
October 20, 2004: Rocks Thrown Through Windows At Multnomah County, OR,
Republican Party Headquarters.122
October 21, 2004: Bomb Threat Made Against Lake Havasu, AZ, Republican Party
Headquarters.123
October 21, 2004: Windows Smashed At Multnomah County Republican Party
Headquarters In Portland, OR.124
October 22, 2004: Break-In Discovered At Cincinnati, OH, Victory 2004 Headquarters.125
October 22, 2004: Break-In Discovered At Flagstaff, AZ, Victory 2004 Headquarters.
Perpetrators gained entry by throwing a cinder block through a plate glass window.126
October 22, 2004: Chunk Of Concrete Tossed Through Glass Door Of Republican
Headquarters In Santa Cruz, CA.127
October 23, 2004: Two Kerry Supporters Arrested After Stealing Pro-Bush Signs From
Activist And Pushing Police Officer At Edwards Rally In St. Petersburg, FL.128
Link
Now, I expect you to come back and say “But I’m a lifelong Republican and conservative and I hate Chimpy McHitler!” as proof you aren’t a liberal.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…
Comment by Severian @ 10/22/2006 - 7:25 pm
Sev,
That is all speech! It is a right! Plus, how do we know those were liberals?
Just call me severized.
BTW Keith. I know… because I once was one. Not to worry. You can learn and change. I did in 1991 (the year I went to the library 3 times a week for a year).
Comment by Baklava @ 10/22/2006 - 8:00 pm
Sev,
Looks like the dems are sore losers. What do they hope to gain by smashing windows and slashing tires. They think they can scare the republican supporters from voting?
Comment by G Monster @ 10/22/2006 - 8:16 pm
Also Sev,
Keith sure got quiet after you beat him in debate. I think he is headed down to buy some eggs to throw at you.
Comment by G Monster @ 10/22/2006 - 8:20 pm
Well, G Monster, I guess that their antics are the closest you can come to Krystalnacht when you’re a bunch of whiney pansies living in your parent’s basement at age 35…
I’d go out and smash some windows at the evil Republican headquarters, but then I might get my hair mussed up! And I just can’t get going without a Starbucks double mocha-caramel half soy half skim latte…
Comment by Severian @ 10/22/2006 - 8:40 pm
There is currently a Republican serving time for jamming telephone lines in New Hampshire in the 2002 election — an election so close that those missed connections could have made the difference — and, of course the guy in the slammer made over 40 phone calls to the White House political office that day — I assume he wasn’t talking about the windows he had broken. Are we at all enraged about that?
We can compare these types of actions for days. Is anyone actually in jail for what you have described? And, someone actually had the nerve to compare this to Kristallnach? (the correct spelling BTW). Do you understand history or are you just looking for a reason to be upset and enraged at perceived liberal actions. To compare the persecution of German Jews with a broken Republican campaign office window tells me that you are really, really, reaching. Give me a break.
Comment by Keith @ 10/22/2006 - 9:08 pm
Ah, in response to a list as long as both my arms about Democratic malfeasance, you can come up with one instance of Republican guilt. Good one, that really convinces me that the Dems are just great loving people.
Go to the link, and read the report, if you dare. A fairly large number of Democrats have been convicted of voter fraud and slashing tires and other things. Tell me how many Republicans have been convicted. But then, that’s the usual Democrat/Leftist mantra, if they haven’t been convicted then it must not have happened, and even if they have been convicted that’s not proof of anything.
And Keith, your side would be doing the same thuggery the brown shirts did if you had the stones to do it. The belief system is the same, leftist socialism coupled with a feeling of entitlement to power. Just because you are all ball-less weenies doesn’t alter the fact that the basic principles (or better yet, lack of principles) are the same. Tell me, what is the difference, other than the level of violence, between throwing a brick thru the window of a synagog and rushing the stage at Columbia when the Minutemen were trying to speak at an invited event? It’s the same thing, fanatical intolerance that is rationalized and justified by whatever means necessary. The Minutemen are racists! The Joooos are destroying Germany! Same mantra, same meme, different specific target, same lack of ethics, morality, tolerance, judgement, and maturity.
Comment by Severian @ 10/22/2006 - 9:24 pm
Keith without perspective asked, “Are we at all enraged about that”
If what you say is true, no I’m not enraged. The guy is behind bars and as always we do not put up with law breakers. Unlike thugs, sexual harrassers, vandalizers, on the left who seem to get away with their “actions”
Keith without perspective again wrote, “or are you just looking for a reason to be upset and enraged at perceived liberal actions”
A liberal (was it you) above said that it was all speech or blogging and that there was no actions to back up one of the conservatives saying the word “actions”. So we started to enumerate “actions”. It wasn’t because we are so upset or enraged. We were just enumerating this stuff to set the record straight. The rage of liberals is increasing and it isn’t just “talk”. It is actions. Are we allowed to enumerate this stuff to set the record straight? Or will we get more accusations from you?
Typical liberal pattern. Inaccurate Accusations galore.
BTW, Reading comprehension shows that Sev came very short of making the comparison. He called it “antics” that are “the closest you can come to….” and then “… when you are a bunch of whiney pansies”….
Pretty funny stuff really. It’s saying how far off liberals abilities are towards achieiving it because they are pansies. It’s ok. If you don’t like being called a pansy, don’t worry, you might not be one of those slightly violent liberals doing “antics”.
So you wouldn’t be in the category. But back to the reading comprehension angle. Seems you have quite the issue lately.
Take more time. Diagram the sentences if you have to!!!
Lor, Please forgive me for that one there (Larry the Cable guy humor there)
Comment by Baklava @ 10/22/2006 - 9:34 pm
So, Baklava, it doesn’t upset you that a Republican was convicted of breaking any number of federal laws to win an election — but, because someone broke windows you are morally outraged? Is this correct? Yes, he is behind bars and like Jack Abramoff he is singing at the moment. But, those things don’t bother you because you would rather change the subject to the minutemen being attacked at Columbia. Hmmmm, where would you have been on the subject of free speech in Germany in the 30s??
You can always find an example of one political fringe stepping on the free speech rights of another — but, to compare what happens in our political system with what happened on Kritallnach is outrageous and ignores established history. But, then, I have always seen right-wing Republicans as Japanese historians. Selective history at best.
Comment by Keith @ 10/22/2006 - 9:42 pm
You can always find an example of one political fringe stepping on the free speech rights of another
But Keith, for the Dems these aren’t the “fringe” they are the base.
Comment by Severian @ 10/22/2006 - 9:45 pm
My you twist things. I said I’m not upset about that situation if the guy was held accountable. What do you want? For him to be put to death?
Breaking windows, firing shots, writing threatening messages on buildings, etc isn’t just a broken window. It’s intimidation. It’s violence. It should be punished. I’m not outraged. I would just like for all people commiting crimes to be held accountable. Wouldn’t you?
You are still going on with the Kristallnacht comparison meme. It was addressed in my 9:34 post. Be offended if you want. But it won’t get you anywhere because what you think was said wasn’t said.
Comment by Baklava @ 10/22/2006 - 9:51 pm
Bak, the comparison is more valid than they want to admit, which is why they get so irate about it. The same mentality that leads to the one is what leads to shooting at Republican campaign offices, slashing tires, attacking conservatives. Just because they haven’t started stringing people up on meat hooks doesn’t mean they aren’t practicising the same violent intolerance rationalized and justified by whatever means necessary. Once you start finding reasons to excuse and tolerate that kind of mentality and violence, it’s just a matter of time until it gets progressively worse. That’s why these kinds of comparisons prick them so, in their heart they must realize that, but they have a underdeveloped sense of shame.
Comment by Severian @ 10/22/2006 - 9:56 pm
Keith–Kristallnacht happened *after* the Nazi party had achieved control over the German state. Prior to Hitler’s accesion to power, there were many lesser but still serious outbreaks of Nazi violence against Jews and against political enemies of all types. The inability of the Weimar government to control this thuggery paved the way for the Nazi takeover.
By the way, it’s Kristallnacht–”kristall” is “glass,” and “nacht” is “night.” Hence, “night of broken glass.”
Comment by david foster @ 10/22/2006 - 9:59 pm
David, I understand, most of my family were there. That is why a broken campaign office window doesn’t compare. And, I think Severian’s comparison is ill placed and, he never attempted to look at what happens from his side. Both wrong. But, I just believe that his moral outrage is contrived.
Comment by Keith @ 10/22/2006 - 10:22 pm
I would love to be able to tell these Huffpo bloggers and commenters how completely whacked out they sound, but I can’t. They banned me. No, I never swore, or insulted anybody. I think I just hurt one their bloggers’ poor widdle feelings, and I was gone. No appeal is available, either. Arianna is afraid of true freedom of speech.
Comment by Damail @ 10/22/2006 - 10:36 pm
Most of your family may have been there, but you obviously didn’t learn anything from their experiences Keith, if you continue to rationalize and justify the same type of abuses. And no matter how you slice it, the left is far more prone to this and has done more of it than the right in this country, at least in recent history. But it’s OK by you, you manage to rationalize and excuse it all you want. That’s what liberals do, they justify their own excesses, while conservatives disown people on their own side who behave this way and punish them. Liberals and Democrats re-elect them and praise them, we drive them out of office.
Comment by Severian @ 10/22/2006 - 10:39 pm
Oh and Keith, look around. Feigning contrived moral outrage is something the left and Democrats are far far more adept at than any conservative. That’s what happens when you believe in moral relativism. Conservatives believe in a less flexible definition of right and wrong.
Comment by Severian @ 10/22/2006 - 10:43 pm
Justify what you just said. You compared broken windows to Kritallnacht and then someone else decided to condescendingly tell me what it meant. Do you read history? You provided a list of attacks on campaign offices. Duh, campaigns bring out the worst in some people. Did any of your abuses result in convictions?
Liberals justify their own excesses. Did Liberals convince Mark Foley to run for re-election when he wanted to retire?? Just to keep a safe Republican seat your party convinced a child molester to run for re-election.
Comment by Keith @ 10/22/2006 - 10:44 pm
“Conservatives believe in a less flexible definition of right and wrong.” LOL. Are you kidding? Have you ever heard of Jerry Falwell? Or Senator Ricky from Pennsylvania? Or, Sam Brownback?
What you meant to say is Libertarians believe in those things.
Comment by Keith @ 10/22/2006 - 10:48 pm
How do you think Kristallnacht got started Keith. One day, all the German fascists just suddenly appeared, like children in cabbage patches, and started gassing jews and such? And what happened primarily on Kristallnacht? Why is it called Kristallnacht? Hmmm…could it be that the majority of what happened was just what you’d call harmless vandalism? Breaking windows ring a bell with the term Kristall? Once again you’ve got your head firmly stuck up your behind, and are rationalizing and justifying their behavior. Hey, it doesn’t matter, no one was convicted! Do you actually listen to yourself? Or do you just spew words and “thoughts” at random without engaging your brain and thinking about what you’re saying? I guess since no one was prosecuted and convicted of smashing out the windows of Jewish shops in Berlin (oops there’s that breaking window thing again), it was OK by you. You’re pathetic Keith, and a prime example of exactly why your side always turns into the fascists, you can justify and rationalize and find excuses for any kind of behavior as long as you like the results.
Comment by Severian @ 10/22/2006 - 10:53 pm
Once again you’ve got your head firmly stuck up your behind, and are rationalizing and justifying their behavior. Hey, it doesn’t matter, no one was convicted!
Not what I said at all. I said, it is wrong to compare the two. The comparison is an insult to millions of Jews who died at the hands of the Nazis. And, I think it was bad form for you to make that type of comparison when we were talking about campaigns. And, I asked for examples where the same happened to Democratic Campaign offices. There are many. Where is your outrage? Boo-hoo, they broke my window or stole my computer. Please, people lost everything in Germany including their lives. How old are you? Do you read history? And now, you can’t argue facts so you resort to insults.
Comment by Keith @ 10/22/2006 - 10:59 pm
So Keith, how about some examples? How bout a real list of Repubican attrocities against Democrat campaign offices that is even a quarter as long as that one I posted. Can’t come up with one can you? All you have is rhetoric and excuses. I don’t support any such activities, unlike you. You have the typical flexible morality I’ve come to associate with little children and immature adults.
And you are still pathetic. You refuse to recognize that the things you support (and probably practice yourself) are the leading edge of the same totalitarian, intolerant, fanatical mindset that, unchecked, grows like a cancer and leads to millions of deaths. If you do have relatives who went thru this kind of thing, I bet they’re really proud of you.
Comment by Severian @ 10/22/2006 - 11:06 pm
OK, I can come up with a list for you. Will it make any difference to you? Doubt it.
But, here we go again with the personal insults. What do you know of my family and what they suffered. I was complaining about the comparison and the fact, frankly, that Republicans can get their knickers in a twist about minor things when their elected officials are molesting children.
So now I have a totaltarian mind set because I think that comparing the Kristillnach to a campaign headquarters invasion is an insult to the victims of the Nazis. And, you have actually worked yourself into a state where you are hurling insults because you think this country is somehow headed to the same place.
I only pointed out, and rightly so, that Republicans are now serving time for doing the same type