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Bush’s and Rove’s confidence that GOP will win next month leads the left to cooking up conspiracy theories, and a call to “take to the streets”
I was waiting for this to happen.
When I read this article from the Washington Times two days ago, where Karl Rove expressed confidence that we were going to retain the House and Senate, and this one from last Sunday where the Washington Post reported that both Bush and Rove were “upbeat” about next month’s elections, I said to myself “how long will it be before someone on the left cooks up a conspiracy theory that all this confidence means that Rove and Bush have either 1) engineered an October surprise and/or 2) gotten Diebold to ‘assure’ us that we will ‘win’ the elections next month?”
It didn’t take long. Via Lyn Davis Lear at the HuffPo (emphasis added):
All week I’ve been reading in disparate sources from Drudge to US News and World Report about Bush, Rove and Cheney being overly confident about the midterm elections. Even Republican strategists are increasingly concerned because the White House doesn’t have a plan if they lose. This lack of planning shouldn’t surprise anyone, but if you really think about it a creepy, crawly feeling grows in your gut.
Here are some questions: Are these guys simply narcissistic idiots Rove-ing around in some never-never land bubble or do they know something we don’t? Have they planned a grab bag nose punch of an October/November surprise? Or have Diebold, ES&S, and local state secretaries assured them that they will do “whatever it takes” to get a Republican Congress elected again? Or are they just planning to outspend us? Karl Rove recently told the Washington Times, “For most Americans, particularly the marginal voters who are going to determine the outcome of the election, it started a couple of weeks ago… Between now and the election we will spend $100 million in target House and Senate races in the next 21 days”. That is $30 million a week in 15 or 16 key races. Knowing this group, the answers must lie in a clever blitzkrieg [Note: Clever insertion of a Nazi reference, eh? It never fails. --ST] combo of all of the above.
When I asked Gore Vidal at dinner why the White House seemed so serene and at ease about the vote, he replied that, this time around, the Bush-Cheney henchmen could simply call on martial law. He glumly noted that we are so far down the road toward totalitarianism that, even if Democrats do win back the Congress, it would take at least two generations before the last six years of damage to the nation could be reversed. Gore frankly despaired that any amount of time could ever return the country to where and what it previously was. This prediction left me reaching for some Fernet Branca.
And her conversation with Gore Vidal has got me reaching for a gag bag. Continuing:
But whether it is hubris, loony tunes, or both, the White House’s freakish calm about the elections makes me as nervous as the hell we seem to be headed for. Therefore we should all be on alert. If for whatever reason we don’t win back Congress in November the only real answer will be to take to the streets.
Got that? It’s the same ol’ same ol’ we’ve come to expect from that far left, with the added threat of “taking to the streets” this time around if they lose. The comments section there at the moment is five pages long and counting, with a lot of ‘amens’ being thrown around amongst the choir.
Nothing, absolutely nothing, demonstrates the sheer denial of reality regarding the left more than their reactions to the last three elections they’ve lost: they were “stolen,” “rigged,” etc – can’t possibly be because Democrats have been rejected on the basis of their ideas (or lack thereof), can’t possibly be because a majority of the American people actually embraced Republican ideas, bbbbecause Americans couldn’t possibly be that stupid, could they? What the left can’t or won’t explain though, is that they haven’t just been losing elections since Bush was ELECTED President, they’ve been losing big since 1994 – but during the 1994, 96, and 98 elections we didn’t hear this massive outcry of election rigging – apparently Democrats losing elections in the 90s had nothing to do with Republicans officials acting nefariously throughout the country – and of course had nothing to do with a rejection of Democratic ideas, oh no – but once Bush came along the left finally found someone they could pin their losses on. For the party of “thinkers”, Democrats aren’t big on self-introspection – it’s always someone else’s fault.
One of the laughable things about the charge of Bush ‘stealing elections’ is that on one hand, the majority of the left looks at Bush as a clueless wonder, and have done so from day one. To them, he’s inept in everything he does – yet somehow “Dumbya” knows how to mastermind ‘stealing elections’! They’ve never been able to explain how on one hand he’s the world’s biggest idiot, yet on the other hand has managed to orchestrate election fraud on a widespread scale. Probably because this, like so many of their other inconsistencies, is something they can’t explain.
The “taking to the streets” angle in response is something new, though, and unlike the charge of ‘stealing elections’, it’s not laughable. The far left’s inability to accept defeat and being out of power during the Bush years via the democratic process hasn’t boiled over to massive waves of violence – yet. We may find out next month whether or not it will. Democratic websites like the HuffPo are already laying the groundwork – just in case.
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Keith, Nancy Pelosi voted for Gerry Studds several times for committee chairman AFTER Studds was Censured for having ACTUAL sex with pages. Keith you are a major partisan hypocrite!
Yes, Studds was censured by the House of Representatives — and he had sex with a 17 year old boy. Consentual sex, but sex none-the-less. He stood for election and was re-elected in swing district in one of the “most” Republican areas of Mass. I sure you are not suggesting that Nancy Pelosi knew about Studds and the seventeen year old are you?
Mark Foley, on the other hand, was molesting little boys since 1996 and the Republican leadership of the House knew it….they even insisted that he run for re-election this year when he wanted to retire.
And you say that I am a partisan hypocrite. Get real. The Party of family values gave us at least one, and now maybe two, pedophiles. Can’t get around that.
Keith states, “Mark Foley, on the other hand, was molesting little boys since 1996 and the Republican leadership of the House knew it…”
Do you have proof of that?
Because last I heard, the FBI is still investigating, and they did not have conclusive proof. It’s easy to say that, but I would like links and background information to show your point you are tying to make.
Yes, there is proof of that….and yes, the FBI is still investigating. Do you read Sanity? The testimony before House Committee makes it clear that the Leadership had been warned — since way back in 1995 that Foley had a “problem” — in fact, they warned incoming Page Classes to watch out for him.
Keith,
Quoting you, “Yes, Studds was censured by the House of Representatives — and he had sex with a 17 year old boy. Consentual sex, but sex none-the-less. He stood for election and was re-elected in swing district in one of the “most” Republican areas of Mass. I sure you are not suggesting that Nancy Pelosi knew about Studds and the seventeen year old are you? ”
Pelosi was there for the Censure. It was broought up in the House. Pelosi, Rangel, Conyers, etc. applauded Studds for turning his back on the Censure. And I mean with 3 standing ovations. Pelosi knew what she was voting for in Studds.
Now, to nominate you for the “Bottom Feeder of the Week” award, You, Keith, make no mention or condemnation for the Demorats operatives holding on to the Foley infomation for years instead of reporting it immediately. The Dems have always had open access to the press and are never really questioned, so there was no reason to hold the information except for political mischief.
- So Keith – when presented your head on one topic you switch to another, trying to blow off the truthiness you’re unwilling to accept, with snarky dismissals. Does that still work over at LiarDogFake? You havn’t said one thing accurate since you showed up here. Keep up the good work. You’re being laughed at.
- sanity – Lets just say if the delusions I’ve seen Keith post are the jist of what the SecProgs are trying to screw up their courage on, they’re in for a really cold dose of “real” reality shortly.
- Dodge, shift. bob and weave, with distorted facts, or no facts at all. The only thing I havn’t seen you do so far, is piles of ad hominems to complete your SecProg one pony act Keith, but I’m sure you’ll get around to that soon. In the mean time since, as usual, you moonbats refuse to stick to the issue at hand, you deserve no further serious response. Lots of Lefty trolls have proceeded you with somewhat better material.Sso far I’m unimpressed. Keep truckin’ bunky.
- Bang
Let’s change the subject to something that happened over 20 years ago instead of talking about real time actions of current Members of Congress. PCD, do you have proof that Democratic operatives held on to this information? Who were those mean old operatives that blew Foley’s molestation activities?
Bottom feeder indeed. Everyone in town knew that Foley was gay. The “Velvet Mafia” that runs the Republican political operation protected him, just like they are protecting other gay Republican Members.
And, I assume you were there to see Pelosi, Rangel, Conyers (interesting that you only mention black members besides Nancy) applaud Studds. It was a mandatory call of the House. Everyone had to be there and Studds got beat up. But, then re-elected by his constituents. I ask again, about the current sex scandal in the House.
Do you think Mark Foley will be re-elected by the voters of his district. His name is on the ballot.
Once again Bang, “Dodge, shift. bob and weave, with distorted facts, or no facts at all. The only thing I havn’t seen you do so far, is piles of ad hominems to complete your SecProg one pony act Keith, but I’m sure you’ll get around to that soon. In the mean time since, as usual, you moonbats refuse to stick to the issue at hand, you deserve no further serious response. Lots of Lefty trolls have proceeded you with somewhat better material.Sso far I’m unimpressed. Keep truckin’ bunky.
Slap down bumper sticker remarks. What distortions? That Foley was after little boys, that Hastert knew, that they insisted that Foley run again. And, now another Republican Member is involved in a sexual harassment suit. What was the issue at hand? Kristallnach? What are you talking about?
The fact is that a gay Republican Member of Congress was chasing little boys…how is that off the subject for the “family value” crowd?
Keith, you are a bottom feeder. The “whistle blowers” of CREW, who were Democrat aides in Congress said they had the information for years.
Keith, don’t you know lying and deceit will always catch up to you? It caught up to you here. You just are a thoroughly dishonest partisan, Liberal, DEMOCRAT!
- Your one and a half minutes are up Keith. Say goodbye. We don’t debate people on old issues that have been beat into your heads, or people that like to skitter from subject to subject, to avoid responding. Foley is out, and off the radar, and certainly not the topic at hand. You used that for all the smoke and noise you could mine it for. Time to move on sport.
- Bang
Me?
A liberal?
Sir, you wound me!
If the DU, or Kos, or the HuffPo and their calls for action were to be taken literally this country would be burning like a Parisian Renault.
It isn’t. They’re long on talk, but real short on action. Yeah, there’s been some, but nowhere near their level of talk.
I’d love to see the moonbats bring it. Love. It.
Well, Bang, you would like Foley to be out and, I am sure, that like the White House, you wish the subject of Iraq did not come up….but, they both do.
Mark Foley’s name is still on the ballot is Florida. Would you vote for him Bang? Unfortunately the Republican leadership of Congress chose not to do anything about him until he was exposed. Why they didn’t even include the Democrat in their discussions of his activities until the issue came out in the press.
Now, admit it Bang, if Nancy were Speaker you would be morally outraged about this and calling for her to resign.
So, would you vote for Foley if you lived in his district?
Technically you are right, but only partially Kieth.
Foley’s name is on the ballot yes, but he has resigned, he will NOT be re-elected.
Insted Joe Negron is the new Republican nominee and all votes that go toward Foley’s name on the ballot will automatically be transferred to Negron.
Foley’s name is on the ballot mainly as a placeholder, he will not be voted back in, the republican replacement will be.
PCD, it wasn’t released by Dems just before an election – that’s just making stuff up. It was an investigative report by Brian Ross of ABC News acting on tips from the pages that worked for Mark Foley. The pages had been talking about this for years and the Coach has been trying to cover it up. Besides, the story is true and there are more to come.
How many votes do you think Mark Foley will get on election day?
0 (Zero) Mark Foley isn’t running. He was disposed of post haste.
And you are off topic for this thread.
Shorter Keith: “Ignore what the NYT ombudsman is saying! Look! Mark Foley! He’s creepy! Look at this and not the other, Look! At! This!”
- Tell you what Keith. Pelosi endorsed Condit several times for reelection AFTER he had been exposed for haveing sex with a 16 year old minor, and soliciting sex from a 15 year old, a clear case of pediphilia. Yet she fully supported him, making a number of speaachs on his behalf. when you call fo her to step down for doing far worse than anything thats ACTUALLY BEEN PROVEN concerning Hastert, then I’ll listen to your selective moral outrage. Until then no one believes the timing on the release was anything but political opportunism.
- And yes its old news now. He’s gone. Out. what would you like, that they give him the chair?
- So Keith, wheres your call for Pelosi to resign?
- Bang
I am still trying to grasp Keith’s relavitism that Multiple shootings with a real gun into a Republican Campaign office, equates to phone jamming, which was stopped by the RNC. Logically I can’t see why anyone would continue to vote Democratic. Thanks for the info, it is good to see that the only thing we are criminally responsible for is phone calling. Unlike your allies that shoot at us and slash our tires and….. pathetic. – Lorica
Well Lorica, let me ask a few questions. When were the shots fired? During the working day or in the dead of night when no one was there? Do you logically assume that only Republican campaign offices were the targets of this type of activity? Have you ever considered that is some cases campaign operatives shoot out their own windows to gain free publicity and support? Did anyone actually go to jail for these actions? Tell the truth — do you know someone who is in jail for doing this type of thing. Grasp this Lorica — have you considered any of these options or are you just looking for something, anything, to be outraged about? Please respond.
- I’m waiting Keith. The silence is deafening.
- Bang
Keith gets it wrong once again:
Mark Foley, on the other hand, was molesting little boys since 1996
Um..no, he was sending them lurid Emails. It’s sick and perverse, but it isn’t molesting. You really oughta read more than Kos and DU and the other ComSymp site where you get your so-called news.
Since you’ve already succeeded in going off the topic of this thread with non sequiturs, let’s go right to the heart of it: you have no moral standing to make any noise about Foley. You forfeited that when your House caucus gave Studds the standing ovations. Any lib who doesn’t condemn that can’t be taken seriously. And that defines you.
Let’s look at the comparisons:
– Foley: sent sick Emails and IM’s to pages. Keith thinks this is despicable. So do I. This is our last point of agreement.
– Studds: got a page drunk and molested him (that’s considered rape, by the way, Keith). Since Keith hasn’t objected to this, it’s fair to assume he’s OK with this. I think this is despicable and worse.
– Foley: quit, and no one on the GOP side has said one good word about him since. My attitude: good riddance. Keith thinks all the House leadership should also go, just on general principles. For that matter, he probably thinks all Republicans should resign over it.
– Studds: stayed on in Congress, got applauded by the likes of Nancy Pelosi for his pedophilia, and was given a committee chairmanship. Since Keith hasn’t called for Pelosi to quit, it’s fair to conclude he also condones it.
So don’t give us any horse-hockey or feigned outrage about pretending to care about the pages.
Interesting sidelight: this entire episode is actually part of the Dem strategy to get conservative voters to stay home on November 7. They seriously think all of us hate gays, and exposing GOP officeholders or staffers as gay will make us sit the election out. Their premise, of course, is wrong, and so is their conclusion.
And I rise to second PCD’s nomination of Keith as “Bottom Feeder of the Week”. Further, since he has displayed little actual knowledge of government workings (putting Pelosi in the Senate, for example), intentionally moved discussion off topic, and failed to provide anything more to any discussion other than Kos talking points, I nominate him for Troll Emeritus status.
(C’mon, level with us, Keith – your last name is really Olbermann, isn’t it?)
Tell you what Keith. Pelosi endorsed Condit several times for reelection AFTER he had been exposed for haveing sex with a 16 year old minor, and soliciting sex from a 15 year old, a clear case of pediphilia. Yet she fully supported him, making a number of speaachs on his behalf. when you call fo her to step down for doing far worse than anything thats ACTUALLY BEEN PROVEN concerning Hastert, then I’ll listen to your selective moral outrage. Until then no one believes the timing on the release was anything but political opportunism.
- And yes its old news now. He’s gone. Out. what would you like, that they give him the chair?
- So Keith, wheres your call for Pelosi to resign?
Gary Condit was beaten in a primary. He is gone. And so is McKinney and so will Jefferson be gone. We have a sitting Speaker who hid a pedophile. How can you defend that? No one knows who Nancy is, everyone has seen the Coach defending a child molester.
Great White — how do you know this? “Studds: got a page drunk and molested him (that’s considered rape, by the way, Keith). Since Keith hasn’t objected to this, it’s fair to assume he’s OK with this. I think this is despicable and worse.
Were you there? Did the page tell you that? You seem to be working yourself into a snit here…..I recall the page defending Studds. We do know that Mark Foley is a pedophile and the Leadership covered it up. Did Nancy cover for Studds and Condit? Did she do anything to defend McKinney or Jefferson? Actually, the Speaker defened Jefferson remember?
- Sounded good, until it came out that the page was 18 when the offensive emails occured. In which state is sex with an 18 year old considered “child molesting”. Pure political BS.
- so you continue to dodge my offer. I’ll consider Hastert stepping down if and when:
1) an investigation (called due process for you uneducated SecProgs) shows he was actually derelict, and knew what the rumormill Left wants everyone to believe with no Proof.
2) You suck it up and admit that Pelosi endorsed a man who was a known proven pedophile, publicly, not rumored, and she did it with full knowledge of his proclivities, as a matter of public record.
- For a third time. What say you? (further deflections won’t cut it. just yes or no will do. your call sport.)
- Bang
Yep and Foley is gone. And your accusation (off topic) that we have a sitting speaker who hid a pedophile is a FALSE accusation.
Bearing false witness against your neighbor doesn’t win debates and doesn’t work towards solving the issues of the day. Defending isn’t what we are doing. We are telling you it is a false accusation.
Keith wrote, “everyone has seen the Coach defending a child molester.”
Typical liberal pattern of false accusations. The “coach” did not defend Foley.
Additionally, it is irrelevant to this thread.
Back to the topic at hand…
1) Will you Keith accept the election results if the Dem’s do not take back either or both Houses in Congress?
2) What is your opinion of everyone who will be voting for Republicans?
Well Lorica, let me ask a few questions. When were the shots fired? During the working day or in the dead of night when no one was there?
That’s Keith for you, desperately trying to rationalize and excuse violence if it’s done by Democrats and Liberals. Disgusting. Take a good look folks, this is the kind of person that staying home in November will bring into power.
I can just imagine Keith if he lived in Germany in the’30′s:
Vell, you don’t haf any proof that the SA vas doing anything wrong, no vun vas convicted! Und dey did it at night, it’s not like they threw bricks threw da vindows in daylight (the scum usually comes out at night Keith cause they don’t have the stones to do it when people can see them). Ya, yust boys being boys, und the Joooos are vorse und do the same tings or vorse.
“Bottom Feeder of the Week”
I don’t know, with a guy like Keith that’s an insult to bottom feeders all over the world.
Yes, Baklava, the Coach did defend Foley and insisted he run for re-election. He also blamed his staff on not knowing….what kind of chicken does that? I have known his COS for years, the guy told Hastert.
Accept the results of an election? What kind of question is that?
Will you if the Democrats win. Would you like an invitation to meet the new Speaker? Baklava, I have voted for Republicans, I am married to one, I just can’t vote for the bunch of child molesters that currently run Congress. They are only concerned with keeping power and would insist that a pedophile run for re-election to keep it.
- Ok Keith. I’ll take that as a “no”, and from that deduce you have zero objectivity when it comes to your politics.
- Just a tip for you in future discussions. Nobody gets to have it both ways. Even Secular Progressives or the other cultists that think like they do.
- Bang
Severian wrote “That’s Keith for you, desperately trying to rationalize and excuse violence if it’s done by Democrats and Liberals. Disgusting. Take a good look folks, this is the kind of person that staying home in November will bring into power.
I can just imagine Keith if he lived in Germany in the’30′s:
Vell, you don’t haf any proof that the SA vas doing anything wrong, no vun vas convicted! Und dey did it at night, it’s not like they threw bricks threw da vindows in daylight (the scum usually comes out at night Keith cause they don’t have the stones to do it when people can see them). Ya, yust boys being boys, und the Joooos are vorse und do the same tings or vorse.
“Bottom Feeder of the Week”
Well now, Severian, do you really think Germans and Jews talk like that? You are still comparing an act of violence against a campaign headquarters with Kristallnach. Hmmmm…..I ask legitimate questions designed to get to the bottom of your collective “outrage” — campaigns are not bean bag. That doesn’t excuse violence — but, it does explain how worked up people can get. You sure seem to be with the “bottom feeder” insults.
You guys need boogie men to get worked up. Those bastard Democrats break windows — oh, the outrage. My question is, how do you know? You want to believe it. And then the locker room banter begins. Discuss an issue Severian, stop postering.
Ok Keith. I’ll take that as a “no”, and from that deduce you have zero objectivity when it comes to your politics.
- Just a tip for you in future discussions. Nobody gets to have it both ways. Even Secular Progressives or the other cultists that think like they do.
Bang, what does that mean? You must be great at dinner conversation.
Keith, the fact that you can’t see the similarity between the two speaks volumes about your lack of morality and ethics, not to mention intelligence. It’s people like you, with your justification of violence and other unethical behavior, that allow most of the evil in the world to exist and flourish. Moral relativism at it’s finest, well, you’d better hope you are are never on the receiving end of this kind of violence, because no one will have any sympathy for you.
“First they came for the Republicans, but I wasn’t a Republican so I didn’t say anything…”
Germany was full of people like you Keith.
Keith, you are proving that you have an empty head and I believe you to be a LIAR!
I don’t think you ever voted GOP.
Keith, the only child molester supporters are Nancy Pelosi, Waxman, Berman, Rangel,… Got it? I didn’t think so. You are too busy listening with your mouth.
- Keith. we already know “you don’t understand – *sob*”. That’s why you can’t get anyone to take you seriously. When you’ve painted yourself into a corner you reach for the “dummy up” ploy. The one thing you’ll never do is debate intellectually honestly.
- NeoLiberals – thy name is “nuance”, but no substance. you’re doing the same thing you did when I called you on your Lieberman angle, straight from the man himself.
“Deflect!…Deflect!…. the sky is falling!….run..
- I gave you three tries to answer to my challange, and even now you deflect. If you have any hope of coping in an adult world you’re going to have to do better than 6th grade playground tactics.
- Deflection may be “kewl”, but it would save you any money on your car insurance. “dummy up” doesn’t work either. Maybe you could try a brand new ploy. Honesty. *chuckle*
- Bang
Keith off topic wrote, “the Coach did defend Foley and insisted he run for re-election. He also blamed his staff on not knowing”
That is your opinion not based on fact.
Keith wrote, “Accept the results of an election? What kind of question is that?”
It’s an on topic respectful question based on evidence that liberals are prepared not to accept the election results based on an undesired outcome.
Keith asked, “Will you if the Democrats win.”
Yep. There was a basically 54 year period pre 1994 when this was the case. If there were people talking about taking to the streets or whatever they were denounced. We need to debate the issues and convince more voters that our solutions are better solutions and win based on ideas and policy. Not false accusations. If our message pursuades more voters then that is good. If not then maybe we need to change our message or redouble our efforts at making a convincing message.
Keith informed us that he isn’t voting on the issues of the day by saying, “I just can’t vote for the bunch of child molesters”
All I can say is good luck convincing people to vote the way you wish them to with that message! /end sarcasm But in all seriousness. I hope you do continue on with that message because it bodes well for us…
Severian, you wrote, “First they came for the Republicans, but I wasn’t a Republican so I didn’t say anything…”
Germany was full of people like you Keith.
Now you are a victim Severian? Who is coming to get you? Where does this rage come from? You have the gaul to compare a broken window at a campaign office with Kristallnach and to grandson of a holocaust victim and you say Germany is full of people like me….wow. How old are you anyway?
I was asking legitimate questions about what happen in those campaign attacks and you turn it into this. Then someone else says I am a liar. Names, names, names.
And, Bang makes no sense at all. What challenge are you talking about? You must do great on oral examines.
- In that case, you’re off the banana boat Keith. When you can’t even comprehend english, what’s the point. I’ll let you slither away, feining some sort of “nuanced” victory, if that gets you through the night. But spare us anymore of your baseless indefensible hyperbole. It’s both infantile, and a bore.
- Bang
The Jews that were not victims (yet) were not victims and the Republicans that aren’t victims (yet) are not victims.
The key Keith is that you diminished the long list as “glass breaking” and us getting our panties in a knot as opposed to saying as we have that we are “for” those responsible to be held accountable.
You fail to see that it wasn’t just gas chambers the first day. It was a lead up to with broken windows and preaching of hatred and shots fired and slashing of tires and violence of that sort. Do you not understand a lead up to and an excusing? The lead up to was full of excusing and violent acts and INTIMIDATION and none of it should be diminished like you JUST DID AGAIN!!!
You are doing the opposite of pursuading people to vote your way and I’m glad. I hope this conversation continues and more and more political newbies can see what this left right thing is about!
Bang wrote, “and a bore.”
I’ll agree to that. I got bored last night and I’m bored today but I keep on because the clarity for political newbies is a hope for me.
The more leftism rears their ugliness the more I cheer because I think conservative solutions are better than liberal solutions by far.
If you were so bored Baklava you wouldn’t respond. I find it interesting how much the radical right wants to play victim this election cycle when they have had complete control of the Congress and the Executive Branch of four years. Instead of discussing real issues you want to talk about broken campaign windows and Kristallnach.
Great point, Conservative solutions are better than liberal solutions — more bumper sticker slap down.
Baklava, you wrote, “You fail to see that it wasn’t just gas chambers the first day. It was a lead up to with broken windows and preaching of hatred and shots fired and slashing of tires and violence of that sort. Do you not understand a lead up to and an excusing? The lead up to was full of excusing and violent acts and INTIMIDATION and none of it should be diminished like you JUST DID AGAIN!!!” —
No one was excusing violent acts. Just taking exception to a ridiculous comparison. Once again, you are playing victim here. Have you ever seen any of these things happen? Do you have first hand knowledge? Are you oppressed in any way? Is your phone taped? Are you being followed by leftists? Victim, victim, victim and your party is in control. How twisted must it be to arrive at these conclusions. Around and around you go.
- Bak. Remember the rule. You feed it, you own it. *snort*…
- Ahh but I love the smell of burning Liberal outrage in the morning…..
- Bang
Keith, you don’t even know how to spell Krystalnacht. You are just a loser of a troll.
I know it because it’s been very widely reported, most recently in Studds’ obit. I’d give you chapter and verse, but you don’t follow any links anyway, so I won’t waste me time.
And you might try answering the questions Bang and Bak just put to you. So far, you’ve spent the entire thread running away from any answers. When you got caught praising libs using storm trooper tactics, you changed the subject to Foley. Have the guts to take a stand and support your position for a change.
You have the gaul to compare a broken window at a campaign office with Kristallnach and to grandson of a holocaust victim and you say Germany is full of people like me….wow. How old are you anyway?
Ah, now we come to it, you claim to be Jewish. All your other arguments, if we can be so charitable as to call them that, have failed so you toss out the alleged victim card. Typical. If you are a “grandson of Holocaust victims” your dead relatives must be turning over in their graves, you shame everything they went through.
But then, what else can we expect out of someone stupid enough to make the statement “you have the the gaul (and it’s gall btw, learn English) to compare a broken window at a campaign office iwth Kristallnach (again, it’s Kristallnacht, which translated means “Night of Broken Windows” you idiot)?
Bang….you mean this is Bak’s pet troll??
Really, Bak, you oughta keep him in your own yard instead of letting him run loose soiling the public threads.
Next time hit him over the nose with a rolled up newspaper. Preferably Human Events.
“No one was excusing violent acts. Just taking exception to a ridiculous comparison.”
- No Keith, you’re taking exception because it hits too close to home. I’m absolutely sure that people in Germany in the 30′s tried to use the “well it’s just little unimportant things” meme to skate on what was going on right under their noses.
- I’ll repeat my earlier post that clearly spells it out for you, as to the parallels, and why people might be concerned, even though you evidence a tendency not to understand the simplest of idea’s. then I’ll leave your spanking to Bak, since he caught you in the first place, so you’re his pet to take care of.:
- The point everyone (has) tried (repeatedly) so patiently to make to you, is it always starts with “little acts”, just as it did in Germany.
- You start with little things, and then if thats ok, something a little more dramatic should be alright, and on and on. I’m not sure which is worse. that you condone that sort of thinking, or you can’t grasp the idea of “creeping limits”.
- Adolph started with just 135 thug followers, doing little things, just like the hard Left of today, and 12 years later 37 million Germans were bending the knee to Der Fuhrer.
- So you see it wasn’t a rediculous situation then, and needed addressing, just as it does now if these “acts” continue to escalate, and so far I’m not seeing them abate.
- Bang
“You idiot”…nice, real nice. I wouldn’t, btw, go after someone’s spelling when you don’t do so well yourself. Yes, I know what Kristallnach means. That is why I find it so offensive to compare a broken window in a campaign with what happened that night. Do I need to refer you to some history books.
And yes, I am upset that someone would make that comparison. That is why I asked the series of questions I did. Not to defend breaking windows at a campaign office — but, to put your rant in a proper perspective.
That is why I would like to know how old you are?
You seem so hostile and upset. Is it perhaps you are worried about the outcome of the election?
Keith wrote, “radical right wants to play victim this election cycle when they have had complete control of the Congress and the Executive Branch of four years. ”
Radical right? Radical right believes in cutting government by 1/2 or 80%. If the radical right had complete control of Congress and the Executive Branch we’d see a reduction in government. But we don’t. Do you know why? Because conservatives and libertarians do NOT have a governing or legislating majority. Government has moved leftwars every year for over 6 decades because the governing and legislationg majority is left. THis isn’t to say that some conservative ideas and solutions haven’t been partially passed by Congress (like tax cuts or 698 mile border fence or Port Security act or a few other things). But there is a significant amount of leftism in most appropriations and programs that the government hasn’t stayed the same size one year for over 6 decades. The ANSWER to the problem isn’t electing more leftists for sure. The answer is trying to elect a majority of conservatives and libertarians. An “R” does not signify an elected majority of conservatives and libertarians.
I look forward to that day and I see it coming as the monopoly of leftist drive by media was broken a little more than a decade ago and just like I converted fom liberalism in 1991 there are a lot of people who see the light. The amount of people who identify with conservativism has grown versus the amount of peple who identify with liberalism. It’s a good sign. As we have freer speech and banter about ideas our ideas or winning. The old playbook of liberals does not work anymore for a bigger and bigger segment of the population.
Just trying to help you with our perspective about who controls what….
Good one Keith, you still insist on missing the point that breaking windows is how it all started. You most assuredly DO NOT understand. Your relatives must all be sooo pround of you, and to think that idiots like a certain Colorado university professor called the WTC victims “little Eichman’s” We have our share of little Eichman’s here in this country, and you are living proof of that.
Heh, you think this is hostile? Guess I better go out and smash some windows and shoot into some Democratic campaign offices in order to gain your approval. Then I’m sure you’ll be right on my side and helping excuse my behavior.
What a hypocrite…