Just checking out some national exit poll numbers because I was curious to see the party affiliation breakdown of who voted:
About the same number of independents showed up at the polls today as in the last presidential election. This swing-voting group, that both parties battled fiercely to capture, backed Democrats over Republicans by approximately 20 points.
Republicans were relatively successful in energizing their base; conservatives accounted for 32 percent of all voters today, down just 2 percentage points from 34 percent in 2004.
Here’s a more in-depth look at that exit poll.
What lessons do we learn from this? I think Hugh Hewitt has the best take, and Malkin’s right that conservatism last night did not lose (she provides some examples). Other examples are the fact that the Dems had to recruit moderate to conservative candidates to win in races they normally wouldn’t. Heath Shuler upsetting 8-term incumbent House Republican Charles Taylor here in NC is a perfect example. Shuler is not a liberal Democrat. He’ll be moderate at best. The NYT, in their October 28th article describing how Democrats were running conservative candidates in an effort to win in places they normally would not, described Shuler as “… an evangelical Christian [who] holds fast to many conservative social views, like opposition to abortion rights.”
Even at that, I think the Democrats would have won control of the House anyway. Running those conservative Democrat candidates just helped pad the lead. Clearly, the country was dissatisfied with the way the war in Iraq has been handled, the corruption in DC, and in response - to be cliche - voted for “change.” Thankfully, House terms are only two years long, and hopefully two years of a Democratic House will change the minds of the American people who thought yesterday that having a Democratic majority in the House would make the problems we face be effectively resolved.
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Additional thoughts: While last night was obviously disappointing from the perspective of losing the House badly (and possibly losing the Senate as well), I can’t get tell you how disappointed I was to discover this morning that the fraudulent Amendment 2 in Missouri passed. In effect, Missouri has just legalized cloning.
The pro-A2 crowd there should be ashamed of themselves for pulling the wool over the eyes of MO voters on an issue as complicated as embryonic stem cell research. But I know they won’t be ashamed, because if you can’t feel shame over the fact that you endorse cloning embroyos in order to destroy them, you certainly won’t feel any from hoodwinking voters. The passage of this amendment could have national implications, with other states possibly looking to enact similar laws. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (it really hurts to say that) is also going to make stem cell research (in general terms) a priority right off the bat, and rest assured she is going to be just as deceptive about it as demagogue Claire McCaskill and the others like her who pushed for it under the guise of “supporting cures” while painting opponents as wanting sick people to die.
SO SADLY, I do fear that AMERICA IS WAKING UP TO WHAT SHE DESERVES.
The hope that it is not viewed as some ridiculous mandate.
That Muslim in Minnesota seems to be a footnote—-you better KNOW HE NOW CAN GET SECRET BRIEFINGS…PEOPLE….WHAT have we done???? DUH. Capital “D” DUH.
Comment by seejanemom @ 11/8/2006 - 9:17 am
Part of the problem was each of the candidates that lost in the hotly contested states, was caught in some scandal.
Maybe now Republicans can start thinking of cleaning up the party, because they know damn well their problems, legal or illegal will be coming out with the Democrats opsting ads about it.
But, it is not the Democrats fault these Republicans GAVE them something to use against them though.
Comment by sanity @ 11/8/2006 - 9:41 am
Nothing changed in my state or congressional district, except Democrat Senator Lieberman is now Independent Senator Lieberman. I’d like to see the interaction between him and his fellow “friends”.
Comment by Tom TB @ 11/8/2006 - 9:43 am
Chris Matthews couldn’t contain himself on the possibility of a Dem takeover of the senate, saying, “It’ll be fantastic news.” He then corrected (realized his bias was showing) himself saying, “It’ll be huge news, I should say.”
Comment by Ryan @ 11/8/2006 - 9:45 am
Now we see the real danger we face from our exceedingly biased MSM. 88% positive stories on Dems, 77% negative stories on Reps. The “swing vote” is where this counts, and it’s obvious that the staggering bias of the MSM is severely hurting this country. If the MSM had been even halfway balanced in this campaign, I don’t believe for a second that the independents would have thrown in with the Dems. But, there it is, the MSM can pat themselves on the back and congratulate themselves for steering an election towards the Dems based solely on biased reporting and distortions.
Conservatism may not have lost, but it became apparent in no uncertain terms just how dangerous the MSM is and how much they can still influence elections. We are losing this infowar in/with the media, between our own 5th column MSM and the international press being all too willing to buy into the terrorist spin.
Comment by Severian @ 11/8/2006 - 9:53 am
In CA we elected Jerry Brown to be our Attorney General. God help us. It was a typical election here, with the population centers of the Bay Area and Los Angeles going Democrat.
I’m in CA-14 and the Republican Rob Smith lost to Democrat Anna Eshoo 71-25.
About the only good news out of CA - voted no on Prop 87 - the Energy/Oil tax.
Comment by Ryan @ 11/8/2006 - 9:56 am
Lets see if Pelosi goes back on her word about impeachment if she wins house speaker. Since many have pushed her for it.
Get ready people, because now all we will see from the democrats will be investigation, after investigation, after investigation, after invesitgation…
Nothing will get done again in Government as I see it, since they will be too busy investigating, and making commissions for republicans to reports to.
Comment by sanity @ 11/8/2006 - 10:05 am
“Now we see the real danger we face from our exceedingly biased MSM. 88% positive stories on Dems, 77% negative stories on Reps. The “swing vote” is where this counts, and it’s obvious that the staggering bias of the MSM is severely hurting this country. If the MSM had been even halfway balanced in this campaign, I don’t believe for a second that the independents would have thrown in with the Dems. But, there it is, the MSM can pat themselves on the back and congratulate themselves for steering an election towards the Dems based solely on biased reporting and distortions.”
The Dem’s were complaining during the 2004 outcome that they should have won, but I predicted that President Bush lost 10 to 15% points due to the bias of the MSM. This is what happened during this election also. The power of the Left through the MSM is great. The funny thing about that is that most Americans are Center-right, not left. All you have to do is to look at how most of the social issues fared. It is up to us to call a spade a spade and no longer let the MSM spread lies against us as we try to take back the house in two years.
Comment by arcman @ 11/8/2006 - 10:12 am
The republicans got the crap beat out of us. Plain and simple. They worried too much about meaningless things, and didnt attend to what needed to be done. And they let the democrats set the tone of the debate.
They are probably lucky it wasnt worse. And there was enough scandel to go around. Nice play on the democrat october surprises. The democrats played rougher than the republicans, and the MSM helped them. Its obvious the right cant count on the MSM to be fair, but thats not why we lost. We won before with the MSM against us.
Its time for the far right wing, with all the marriage ammendments and crap like that to shut up. It really doesnt matter in the long run. Earmarks were out of control, and spending went crazy. Sure, the democrats are going to reward themselves for their victory, but what was before was nuts on the republicans part.
So many issues, so many reasons the republicans lost. For god’s sake, dont whine about it. Learn for 2008, because now the democrats have to actually get it done, which I dont believe they can.
Comment by Ed "Comte" DeLoach @ 11/8/2006 - 10:13 am
“Now we see the real danger we face from our exceedingly biased MSM. 88% positive stories on Dems, 77% negative stories on Reps. The “swing vote” is where this counts, and it’s obvious that the staggering bias of the MSM is severely hurting this country. If the MSM had been even halfway balanced in this campaign, I don’t believe for a second that the independents would have thrown in with the Dems. But, there it is, the MSM can pat themselves on the back and congratulate themselves for steering an election towards the Dems based solely on biased reporting and distortions.
Conservatism may not have lost, but it became apparent in no uncertain terms just how dangerous the MSM is and how much they can still influence elections. We are losing this infowar in/with the media, between our own 5th column MSM and the international press being all too willing to buy into the terrorist spin.”
I’ve been saying this for months. We can talk about illegal immigration (as if Democrats are a solution to this problem), we can talk about Iraq (again, as if Democrats won’t make that worse) and we can talk about spending (ditto). The fact is, despite all that, Republicans would have won this election if the mainstream media and the Democrats weren’t working in concert.
CNN’s Broken Government series? Give me a break. One long campaign ad for Democrats. I fear that this will only empower the media and the Democrats to keep working together to mislead and smear. It’s about the only things they do well anymore.
I’d like to say that we all get what we deserve. Unfortunately, I know that I — and a whole lot of us out here — deserve better.
Comment by Beth @ 11/8/2006 - 10:34 am
God help Us! I’m from Missouri and specifically in St. Louis, Mo. I can’t believe the way in which the minorities were lied to in the cities about Amendment 2. God, in their hatred for the conservatives, fuelled by a general distrust of caucuasian americans, they have just voted for the death of their unborn children. Their eggs will now be a commodity for the rich bio tech companies. And woe to those clergy members who supported amendment 2, they are truly mislead.
Comment by tim @ 11/8/2006 - 10:57 am
seejanemom said “That Muslim in Minnesota seems to be a footnote—-you better KNOW HE NOW CAN GET SECRET BRIEFINGS…PEOPLE….WHAT have we done???? DUH. Capital “D” DUH. ”
As a MN Voter that actually knows something about the candidate you disparage - his name is Keith Ellison - I have to respond to your knee-jerk, narrow-minded, xenophobic view that says all people of Islamic faith are the “enemy”. In case you haven’t looked lately - which I doubt - there’s nearly 2 billion Muslims in the world. If all of them were “freedom hatin” terrorists - we wouldn’t be here right now. You have more than 5 million Muslims as your fellow citizens whether you like it or not. Get over it.
Comment by tom @ 11/8/2006 - 11:00 am
That’s ok, though. If people honestly expect the Dems to do a better job on border security and the war on terror, then they truly have alot to learn. If this was a vote against Republicans rather than a vote for democrats then people are in for a big surprise.
Comment by NC Cop @ 11/8/2006 - 11:03 am
Aaaahh, Morning in the America. Can you smell it people.
Comment by Derrick @ 11/8/2006 - 11:13 am
Yeah, Derrick, I can smell it, after I scraped it off my shoes. Boy, did we step in it. But’s our bad (meaning Republicans) and there’s no point in making excuses.
And good point, Ed. We shouldn’t whine about it. We should learn from it so we’ll do better in ‘08.
Comment by CT @ 11/8/2006 - 11:25 am
Yes, we do need to learn from it, but there is absolutely no problem in complaining about the loss. The first step to trying to right wrongs is to realize where you - and others - went wrong. There’s also nothing wrong with casting a negative eye towards the media on this as well. They play a role in every election. The degree of that role, however, is certainly up for debate.
Comment by Sister Toldjah @ 11/8/2006 - 11:27 am
As a MN Voter that actually knows something about the candidate you disparage - his name is Keith Ellison - I have to respond to your knee-jerk, narrow-minded, xenophobic view that says all people of Islamic faith are the “enemy”. In case you haven’t looked lately - which I doubt - there’s nearly 2 billion Muslims in the world. If all of them were “freedom hatin” terrorists - we wouldn’t be here right now. You have more than 5 million Muslims as your fellow citizens whether you like it or not. Get over it.
Head over to Little Green Footballs for more info on this glorious new member of Congress.
Comment by Ryan @ 11/8/2006 - 11:50 am
- Two things come to mind this morning that all of us should keep in mind.
- The moderates in the Dem party won yesterday. the hard Left will discover shortly the manner in which their party will view their political brilliance in managing the ONLY loss in this Dem take-over. Most of the Dems that won are much more moderate than the hard Left base. The moonbats can’t be happy campers today. they’ve proven for the umpteenth time, no one, even their own, really accepts their “All Socialism, all the time”.
- - I sincerely hope that the Left continues to believe this was an electorate “mandate” for their Socialistic ideology. If they just do that, along with all the other clown car actions in Congress they should be willing to dive into, we will be in very sound shape by ‘08, particularly if the Reps are smart enough to see the handwriting on the wall, get back to acting like Republicans, and start listening to the wishes of the mainstream voters. Sans those two occurances, everything is up for grabs. But we have two years to explain it all to our Representatives. If they listen fine, if not then we, and they, will deserve the governance we get.
- With hopefully, the malaprops of a Dem controlled Congress as a backdrop, ( they can’t use the “we’re not in charge” excuse anymore), the onus is on them. If we field the right person for Pres., my personal pick would be Guiliani since he’s just simply poplular with everybody, joined with a running mate like Condi, we should be able to landslide right back into control.
- In the bigger part of this entire process, we now have the stage set perfectly for a massive comeback. It’s up to us, and our party.
- Bang
Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 11/8/2006 - 12:03 pm
Fox News and other outlets are currently reporting that Donald Rumsfeld is stepping down immediately, not even waiting for his replacement to be named. I am more than a little disgusted at this. I’m wondering if he is a sacrificial lamb being thrown to the Dems in a futile effort to get them to play nice?
Comment by Severian @ 11/8/2006 - 1:00 pm
Some ancient gloating from Tom Delay and company…
“DeLay himself drew the line sharply the day after the 2004 elections. “The Republican Party is a permanent majority for the future of this country,” DeLay declared. “We’re going to be able to lead this country in the direction we’ve been dreaming of for years.”
Grover Norquist, the president of Americans for Tax Reform and a leading figure in both the DeLay and Bush political operations, chose more colorful post-election language to describe the future. “Once the minority of House and Senate are comfortable in their minority status, they will have no problem socializing with the Republicans,” he told Richard Leiby of The Post. “Any farmer will tell you that certain animals run around and are unpleasant. But when they’ve been ‘fixed,’ then they are happy and sedate. They are contented and cheerful.”
Hubris, arrogance, and incompetance brought down the GOP. We “animals” have not discovered the joy in being “fixed”. Perhaps you will.
Comment by solitaire @ 11/8/2006 - 1:03 pm
Solitaire You didn’t win.
There are more conservatives than ever in Congress. Thank You Jesus, can’t wait until Shuler, a good Evangelical Baptist, butts heads with Pelosi, a good San Fran Lib. Should be a fun show to watch. Soon you all are going to have learn how to compromise your agenda to fit these new conservatives in. Or are you just going to treat them like you all treated Zell Miller??? Seems to me you guys go alot to do to get ready for 2008. As far as I am concerned this is just a bump in the road. - Lorica
Comment by Lorica @ 11/8/2006 - 1:15 pm
It will be interesting to start hearing the puff pieces about Iraq this February. You will start to see human interest stories about hospitals and libraries, that were actually built 2 years earlier, but they will convienently leave that out of the story.
- Lorica
Comment by Lorica @ 11/8/2006 - 1:23 pm
Ohhhh yes and along that line, Iraq will suddenly halt it’s 2 year slide into civil war. GOD BLESS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!!
- Lorica (Again) 
Comment by Lorica @ 11/8/2006 - 1:25 pm
Hey Ed???
Its time for the far right wing, with all the marriage ammendments and crap like that to shut up. It really doesnt matter in the long run.
How many of the marriage amendments passed yesterday??? Get back to me will ya. - Lorica
Comment by Lorica @ 11/8/2006 - 1:29 pm
My take at Baldilocks
Part of my post includes:
Comment by Baklava @ 11/8/2006 - 1:32 pm
- Hey Nancy. the Dems have been in control of congress all day. Why are we still in Iraq? stop dragging your heels and get on with “cut and run”. We don’t have all day you know.
- Such is the vagaries of the political season. Rummy was in a no-win situation, since we couldn’t play the “Instant gratification” game in Iraq, the theme the Left was so enamoured with in their quest for power.
- The problem the Dems have now, is they’ve set themselves up for a massive CF, if it turns out they’re empty suits in terms of real solutions. I expect to see the terrorists rachet up, hoping to embarrass both sides of the aisle. The Dems nay have more thoughtful idea’s than “No”, but somehow I doubt it.
- In the mean time I think the press was a bit back on it’s heels this morning, finding much to their surprise, that Bush was a great deal more “upbeat” than they expected. It’s almost as if he was laughing in retrospect, saying to himself; “Alright you guys. You wanted it, now you have it. Good luck”. He actually looked somewhaat relieved, showing just how much all the responsibility has been weighing on him. Now the Dems get to feel the heat.
- Very shortly the press will have to drop the “change in direction” sidebars, and begin serious demands for answers from the Dems. I’m sure the Left is really looking forward to “put up or shut up time”, and baptism by reality. I know I am.
- Bang
Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 11/8/2006 - 2:00 pm
Lorica
Who cares if gays can marry? I sure dont. Tax them just as we do everyone else. Gay in the Military? I never saw any, nor did I see any problems when I was in. Who cares, as long as they do their duty.
Govern the country, and lets get away from trying to tell people how to live. That part of the reason we lost, the Republicans failed to govern.
Social issues are not winners for Republicans. Governing is.
Comment by Ed "Comte" DeLoach @ 11/8/2006 - 2:02 pm
But it’s not just about what you want, it’s about what a majority of people in each state want, and several states voted yesterday to ban gay marriage.
Newsflash, Ed: social issues like gay marriage are PART of the government.
I know you’re just as upset as everyone else is about us losing, but believe it or not, you’re not the only one trying to take a closer look at what happened, why, and trying to figure out how to correct mistakes so they don’t happen again. With all due respect, friend, I think you need to stop acting like you’re the only one who gives a damn and the only one who has the real solution and stop treating other conservatives like they’re part of the problem. There’s tons of introspection going on in the rightie blogosphere, and pundit world, and the vast majority of it surrounds realizing that we just flat out lost. We all want to right the wrongs, but we’re not going to do it by infighting.
Comment by Sister Toldjah @ 11/8/2006 - 2:15 pm
- On that theme, it was hard to not notice that among the talking head Dems success speaches this morning, there seemed to be a common thread of bipartisan effort, and a hope to reach out to Rrepublicans for “idea’s”. I’m hoping that doesn’t mean what I think it does, reffering to my previous posts.
- The good news is, this serves notice to the Reps; This is what happens when you sit back and rest on your laurels, stubbornly ignoring the wants of mainstream voters. In the bigger picture, it also sets the stage for a massive comeback in ‘08, if the Republicans get back to their principles, and stop acting like poopy heads. In that sense it’s probably exactly what the party needed to wake them up.
- I said before the elections, no matter what happened it could turn out to be a positive for our side. I feel even more strongly about that. But it’s up to us, and how we deal with it in the next two years. The future is not in collectivism, and isolationism, or instant gratification in the WOT. The future is in our hands, if we know how to take it, and make it a success. I completely expect the Dems to hand us the perfect platform to achieve that. There is absolutely no reason to feel defeatist. Smile everyone. I know you can do it…..
- Bang
Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 11/8/2006 - 2:37 pm
Soooo you can’t answer the question?? Or just refuse to??? - Lorica
Comment by Lorica @ 11/8/2006 - 2:51 pm
ST - They’re already screeching and ranting about the bastard “Blue dog Dems” over at the LiarDogFake swamp. There’s apparently been a running gun battle with the Dem campaign leadership, calling their own leader, Rahm
EmanuelDelay, and accussing him of taking all the “credit” Hampsher and Kos deserve in the election results.- This from the gaggle of misfits that managed the only loss yesterday. Lunacy run amok. It would appear that the hard Left should try another line of work…
- Bang
Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 11/8/2006 - 3:57 pm
If it wasn’t for FireDog and Kos, I might have actually voted for 1 democratic on the California Ticket yesterday. Alot of dems I know, actually voted for Arnold. They think he is doing a great job.
Comment by G Monster @ 11/8/2006 - 4:02 pm
GM - Believe it or not, almost all my Dem friends think, and have always thought, the hard left are a bunch of ideolog lunatics. I suppose that would make them “Blue dog Dems” also, which might hammer home just how small, and insignificant, the gaggle of moonbats really is. Just because they p[lay on the laim-brain MSM meme of “If it bleeds, it leads” for a lot of media face time, hardly reflects the true size of their following. It was bound to happen sooner or later, that their true influence, or rather lack there of, would float to the surface. They’re 0 for everything they’ve ever touched, and I think the core Dem party will be dumping their yoke of unhelpfullness, now that the Dems are back in power.
- You’re starting to see it already, and thats why all the screeching, hair pulling, and rending of clothes. They know full well what they lost with the Lieberman mess, and in yesterdays elections. Most of the Dem candidate winners are very much more moderate than left wing. Yesterday was a win for “centrists”, loud and clear, not the hard left. the biggest lesson to the Dem party leadership, is what they could have won, if only they would have played it centrust for the past 6 years instead of allowing all the moonbat craziness. Your comment concerning your vote is exactly what the dems will be cautious about from here on in. The hard Lefts days are all but over.
- Bang
Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 11/8/2006 - 4:23 pm
Here’s your answer Ed. 6 out of 7 ballot initiatives banned same sex marriage. In 2004 it was 11 out of 12 states. You are pointing fingers and making excuses that just don’t add up. - Lorica
Comment by Lorica @ 11/8/2006 - 5:54 pm
I summarized the initiatives and if they were passed or rejected in my Baldilocks post.
Comment by Baklava @ 11/8/2006 - 6:00 pm
Whooops I stand corrected Ed. Baklava just showed me it was 7 outta 8 states. - Lorica
Comment by Lorica @ 11/8/2006 - 8:10 pm
It would seem the opposition party did its job and just as the founding fathers designed it, were able to put the brakes on a Congress that had abdicated its duty of oversight of the Executive branch. Don’t despair, the pendulum will swing back when the Democrats fall prey to the glamour of power. Is this a great country or what?
Comment by John Cook @ 11/8/2006 - 10:46 pm
John Cook wrote, “abdicated it’s duty of oversight of the Executive Branch”
What needed oversight that didn’t get oversight?
Don’t get trapped with your false accusations….
Comment by Baklava @ 11/8/2006 - 10:58 pm
What needed oversight that didn’t get oversight?
Are you serious?
1. War profiteering by Blackwater, CACI, Titan and Halliburton(no-bid contracts). Even military generals (Batiste, Eaton) have called for more oversight from Congress here.
2.Senate (Un)Intelligence Committe refusing to investigate anything at all. They still haven’t completed the investigation on pre-ware intelligence. Domestic wire taps? Nope. In 2004, Sen. DeWine said, “I think there’s a general consensus among at least the Senate Intelligence Committee that we have not historically done as good a job in oversight as we should have.” Oh really, Mike?
3.Katrina: Repubs refused a call for an independent commission to investigate this disaster
4.Medicare Part D REAL cost. Administration underrepresented to Congress the cost of this by over $100 bil. Calls for investigations shot down.
just to name a few. The biggest news out of this election is not the extra votes and whether the Blue Dogs are going to tow the line. That doesn’t matter, it’s still basically a split. The big news is the taking of all the committe chairmanships. Let the oversight begin!
Comment by tom @ 11/10/2006 - 12:43 am
Tom - you need to drop the Halliburton meme from your list….that one is specious…. No one else would or could bid most of those so called “no-bid” contracts. That is unless you just think no one should do the bids at all. This is what the talking points fails to tell you when you just read them off verbatum.
- In thier zeal to find something to hang on big business, most SecProggs are unaware that a lot of the contracts that Halliburton accepts are so big no one else wants them. Do a little research. Helps your arguments.
- Bang
Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 11/10/2006 - 1:00 am
He’ll keep making accusations Bang. Same ole same ole. It’s human nature. I guess it makes people feel good to have so much judgmentalism.
#4) EVERY or MOST programs developed by the government including the ORIGINAL Medicare in the 60’s (who controlled Congress then) was UNDERrepresented in how much it’d cost America. I WOULD LOVE to see us open that can of worms… but alas neither Democrats or Republicans will and journalists sure won’t. Because then they would have to admit that EVERY major category of spending has an increase in spending every year for over 6 decades. Most Americans don’t know this (because journalists FAIL) and actually think there are cuts some years in some categories of spending.
#3) Katrina was a disaster. The root cause? Mother nature. Journalists went into over drive against republicans during this catastrophe when government on all levels FAILED. There are also examples of government stepping up to the plate and doing A WHOLE BUNCH for the people who were affected by Katrina. It’s a big article but you should read it. Here is one excerpt:
I know the drive-by legacy media has made MANY people think that so many investigations should happen. We should even investigate why no hurricanes made U.S. mainland this year contrary to the predictions of drive-by legacy media last year. But things are as they are and things have been this way for decades/centuries. There are people who try and try to get things right and people who try and don’t quite succeed. They are not negligent. They aren’t prosecutable….
The only thing I can understand people thinking is prosecutable is whether or not the Bush administration has overstepped constitutional authority during the WOT. But Bush is operating under past precedence (like Lincoln and FDR) and explaining (to you and journalists who don’t listen) where he thinks he is getting the authority from. Instead of engaging on that level…. EVERY leftists and journalist accusing him of abusing authority has IGNORED Bush’s and legal experts opinions and brought a laundry list JUST LIKE YOU. It’s more BDS with a helping of a lack of perspective and research. I do not wish to offend you here. I hope you take to heart what I wrote…… do some due diligence maybe.
Comment by Baklava @ 11/10/2006 - 10:28 am
- While you’re at it Bak, maybe you could explain to me what the hell Katrina has to do with disscussing voter demographics, except in some Uber nuanced way. Or maybe we should just blame Bush for causing that 8000 mile in diameter Storm CIT/NASA scientists discovered on Saturn the other day:
- Huge ‘hurricane’ rages on Saturn
A hurricane-like storm, two-thirds the diameter of Earth, is raging at Saturn’s south pole, new images from Nasa’s Cassini space probe reveal.
Measuring 5,000 miles (8,000km) across, the storm is the first hurricane ever detected on a planet other than Earth.
Scientists say the storm has the eye and eye-wall clouds characteristic of a hurricane and its winds are swirling clockwise at 350mph (550km/h).
However, unlike Earth hurricanes it seems stuck at the pole, not drifting.
“It looks like a hurricane, but it doesn’t behave like a hurricane,” Dr Andrew Ingersoll, a member of Cassini’s imaging team at the California Institute of Technology said. “Whatever it is, we’re going to focus on the eye of this storm and find out why it’s there.”
Though Jupiter’s Great Red Spot storm moves counter-clockwise, and is far bigger than the storm on Saturn, it does not have the eye and eye-wall that mark out a hurricane.
An Earth hurricane’s eye and eye-walls form when warm, moist air flows inwards across an ocean’s surface and rapidly rises vertically, dropping heavy rain in a circular band around descending air in the eye.
But Saturn is a gaseous planet therefore this storm does not have an ocean at its base.
One Nasa scientist, Michael Flasar, told Reuters news agency that the storm looked just like water swirling down a bath plug hole, only on a colossal scale.
“We’ve never seen anything like this before,” Mr Flasar said. “It’s a spectacular-looking storm.”
- Saturnians are already blaming the Bush administration for its slow response. “We are still waiting for aid!” said uKluk amerGlk.
Former Vice President Al Gore blasted the administration for “interplanetary exportation of climate change.” John Kerry opined that such a thing would never have happened on his watch.
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- SST readers pop-quiz (for your reading enjoyment)
1)“One Nasa scientist, Michael Flasar, told Reuters news agency that the storm looked just like water swirling down a bath plug hole, only on a colossal scale.”
2)“We’ve never seen anything like this before,” Mr Flasar said. “It’s a spectacular-looking storm.”
- Select from the following possible comparisons of the above statements (mark only one):
a) Mutually exclusive.
b) Complimentary.
c) Contradictory.
9) Mr Flasar is a Secular Progressive Martian.
d) Part of an J. Kerry speech from Starwars.
e) Part of an A. Gore speech from Starbucks.
f) Saturnians hate brown people.
7) G.W.Bush hates brown Saturnians.
h) All Saturnian boys with blue eyes hate A. Gore.
i) Nancy Pelosi smells funny.
j) J. Murtha is a Saturnian drag queen.
x) It’s Tuesday, so it must be Uranus.
r) A Dean press conference.
vv) Greenwalds sock drawer.
80) That is a problem, and we’re working on it.
b-part duex) Ummmmmm - banana’s
xxxix) All of the above.
(press hard in the marker boxes, the forms are in sextial-quintadarial-femptuplicate).
- Bang
Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 11/10/2006 - 11:36 am
If you’re against stem-cell research, then I’m sure you’re also against in vitro fertilization.
After all, embryos are created, frozen, and if they’re not used (or claimed in those 1-in-6000 “snowflake” babies the right is so drooly about)–well, then, my life-loving friends, they’re just dumped in the trash.
Embryos die by the THOUSANDS in those murderous IVF clinics.
Then, multiple embryos are implanted in the life-loving female’s uterus–but not all will survive.
Yes, some of those wittle tiny embryos will be sucked out and sliced up. Fetuses too—bigger babies, the kind with minuscule hands and feet, the kind that get on the billboards.
So that mommy can have TWO children–because two is all she wants and feels she can handle–the OTHER children–as many as SIX–must DIE.
It’s called “selective abortion” and it happens in every IVF birth. Every IVF baby is paid for with the lives of dozens if not hundreds of human embryos.
Does the hypocrisy of this register on you at all?
Comment by Vanna @ 11/10/2006 - 7:19 pm
Your comparison of embryonic stem cell research via cloning embryos in order to destroy them to in vitro is ludicrous. Embryonic stem cell research in and of itself is one thing, but cloning embryos in order to destroy them is morally wrong and is not something your lame attempt at moral relativism can change.
It never ceases to amaze me the pretzel logic liberals use in order to justify why they believe in something, and why others shouldn’t.
Comment by Sister Toldjah @ 11/10/2006 - 11:24 pm