The impromptu ‘global warming’ debate: David, Crow versus Rove (MORE: AN EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT)

Tom Bevan at Real Clear Politics has a summary of what happened this weekend at the WH Correspondents dinner, where singers Laurie David and Sheryl Crow – global warming alarmists currently on a two week college tour to promote fear of an environmental apocolypse – confronted WH political advisor Karl Rove on the issue of ‘global warming.’ The short version, according to Bevan: Laurie David is a rude publicity hound.

David, I should note, was a producer for The Goracle’s Inconvenient Truth ‘documentary.’

Crow, by the way, has sealed her place in goofball history with this quote (emphasis added):

I have spent the better part of this tour trying to come up with easy ways for us all to become a part of the solution to global warming. Although my ideas are in the earliest stages of development, they are, in my mind, worth investigating. One of my favorites is in the area of forest conservation which we heavily rely on for oxygen. I propose a limitation be put on how many squares of toilet paper can be used in any one sitting. Now, I don’t want to rob any law-abiding American of his or her God-given rights, but I think we are an industrious enough people that we can make it work with only one square per restroom visit, except, of course, on those pesky occasions where 2 to 3 could be required.

I have a proposal all my own for Crow: How about she cancel her contract with Revlon Colorist, which not only makes advertisements for television but wasteful paper ads in color in magazines all across the world. Shame on you, Sheryl, for not practicing what you preach. Then again, you wouldn’t be the first gw alarmist who demanded others make sacrifices while you raked in the cash in spite of being a hypocrite.

More: Here are some of the things Ms. Crow demands while she’s on tour? A pack of cigarettes and disposable lighter? More evidence that you’re not very enviro-conscious, Sheryl.

Update: ST reader Great White Rat notes a quote from Crow left out of the Washington Post’s transcript of her HuffPo blog post re: toilet paper:

When presenting this idea to my younger brother, who’s judgment I trust implicitly, he proposed taking it one step further. I believe his quote was, “how bout just washing the one square out.”

Michelle Malkin also picked up on another zany suggestion by Sheryl: a line of clothes called the “dining sleeve”: so you can wipe your mouth on your sleeve rather than use a paper napkin.

Update II: Read Jules Crittenden’s humorous take on what the conversation between the three might have been like

PM Update: Byron York posts an eyewitness’ account of what happened between the Crow, David, and Rove – and it pretty much backs up what the people who were referenced by Bevan in the earlier piece said about how combative Crow and David were.

38 Responses to "The impromptu ‘global warming’ debate: David, Crow versus Rove (MORE: AN EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT)"

Great White Rat says:

April 23, 2007 at 10:03 am

we can make it work with only one square per restroom visit, except, of course, on those pesky occasions where 2 to 3 could be required.

Or, if you’re a liberal celebrity, you can use, say, 20 times as much as the average person. And exactly how does she propose enforcing this? Hidden cameras in every bathroom? Will al-Gore set up a company for TP offsets next?

By the way, ST, the WaPo cut off the quote from her HuffPost blog one sentence too early. Here’s what follows immediately after the quote you posted:

When presenting this idea to my younger brother, who’s judgment I trust implicitly, he proposed taking it one step further. I believe his quote was, “how bout just washing the one square out.”

My scientific studies, conducted at home and at work, conclude that TP becomes basically unusable once saturated with water. If anyone else has data contradicting this, please publish it.

Clearly, she’s too stupid to be allowed to own a keyboard.
Lorica says:

April 23, 2007 at 10:13 am

I propose a limitation be put on how many squares of toilet paper can be used in any one sitting. Now, I don’t want to rob any law-abiding American of his or her God-given rights, but I think we are an industrious enough people that we can make it work with only one square per restroom visit, except, of course, on those pesky occasions where 2 to 3 could be required.

Ok, Ok, a friend here at work needs to know where he can buy toilet paper credits so he can use more than 3 sheets in a sitting. – Lorica
PCD says:

April 23, 2007 at 10:28 am

Anyone remember that movie with Stallone and Bullock? I’m blanking on the title now, but in the future, you have to use 3 seashells to clean yourself after taking a crap. Stallone would rack up fines for foul language and use the tickets as TP. I wonder if anyone touched Crow and pointed that out to her? That is if you can get past her bodyguards.

Maybe Lance Armstrong ought to tell Crow to wipe herself with that OverHaulin’ restored GTO she gave him.
daveinboca says:

April 23, 2007 at 10:45 am

Sister, your little brother is right on the paper wad. Maybe Sheryl should sing instead of being stuck on stupid. She says she’s thinking…..Appearances to the contrary notwithstanding.

Bimbo airhead hypocrite David has been accused of living a less-than-green lifestyle, leading critics to tag her a “Gulfstream Liberal” or “Learjet Liberal.” In an interview in November of 2006, Ms. David acknowledged that owning two homes on opposite sides of the country and flying in a private jet several times per year is at odds with her message to others. In the interview she notes “Yes, I take a private plane on holiday a couple of times a year, and I feel horribly guilty about it. I probably shouldn’t do it. But the truth is, I’m not perfect. This is not about perfection. I don’t expect anybody else to be perfect either. That’s what hurts the environmental movement â€“ holding people to a standard they cannot meet. That just pushes people away.”
Fat Tone says:

April 23, 2007 at 10:47 am

Sheryl’s signature series Gibson Guitar, is made from some pretty nice wood………I guess thse are exempt because her tunes AREN”T crappy ?
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Leslie says:

April 23, 2007 at 10:57 am

“When presenting this idea to my younger brother, who’s judgment I trust implicitly, he proposed taking it one step further. I believe his quote was, ‘how bout just washing the one square out.’ ”

I would very much like to think Brother was being sarcastic. I really, really would. But we are in FatheadWorld now, so who knows?
pjb says:

April 23, 2007 at 11:14 am

Hey Sheryl, how about not having thousands of promotion posters printed out for your next CD release? Oh, and another thing, how about not selling anymore tickets(they are paper of course) for your next concert? Forget those T shirts too, organic cotton or not.
CZ says:

April 23, 2007 at 11:16 am

I have not laffed this hard since I read Alec Baldwin’s apology!
tommy in nyc says:

April 23, 2007 at 12:13 pm

All right this lefty ain’t stupid and Ms Crow certainly made a mistake in her choice of words.That being said global warming is real. And as a cancer surviour like Sherly Crow I have a much higher opinion of this lady then a piece of trash like Karl Rove. You Homeboys on the right need to expand your minds bros.
Severian says:

April 23, 2007 at 12:27 pm

You might, tommy, want to actually read the facts behind the global warming swindle rather than just swallowing everything the left dishes out and asking for more before you comment. I would particularly recommend you read up on Svensmark’s pivotal work on cosmic rays and cloud formation as a start. Don’t buy into the BS consensus meme, think for yourself.

This whole thing was obviously a setup just to get something for them to blog about and get their status among the moonbats elevated. Be rude and obnoxious to Rove, that’ll get us kudos! Other parties who were there are coming front and center now and pointing out how they thought the paralyzed pair were way out of line, rude, and obnoxious and overbearing and that Rove treated them better than they deserved. But to moonbats like you tommy, just the mention of Rove is enough to bring your bile and hatred to the front and drive what little excuse for reason you have out the window.
CZ says:

April 23, 2007 at 12:45 pm

Global warming IS real. But there ain’t a dam thing we can do about the sun no matter how many carbon credits Algore buys or sells. What a transparent hoax.

Sheryl makes a lot of money so I think she should go this route…

LINK
Lorica says:

April 23, 2007 at 1:13 pm

YAY!!! It is good to see that the “absolute moral authority” card has been played by tommy in NYC in under 3 hours!!!

Ok now that it’s been played let’s try to understand how it matters in this discussion. Crow is a cancer survivor. Now she is an expert on global warming. Nope, can’t see even the remotest connection.

Tommy part of the reason we don’t fall for this BS anymore is it is used for every little thing you guys conceive of. What next Tommy everyone born after Roe v Wade can declare victimhood status!!!! They can all be near abortion survivors. You tell us to expand our minds, but this makes no sense tommy. Come on you are smarter than that. – Lorica
Ryan says:

April 23, 2007 at 1:43 pm

Demolition Man was the movie in question with the shells

So Sheryl Crow, being a singer and cancer survivor, knows what’s best for us. Sadly you know there are people who take her garbage seriously.
Severian says:

April 23, 2007 at 1:50 pm

A friend emailed this to me, apparently found it in the comments on some YouTube video. I wish I could properly attribute it to give the original creator credit, it’s good!

Al Gore is my sheperd
He is only aware of what he wants
He makes me lie down on park benches outside his mansion
He leads me beside the polluted water of his strip mine
He restores my doubt in brain dead politicians
He leads me in the path of Kyoto for his legacy sake
His lies make children sleepless
Though I walk dark in my house his 4 are lit like Vegas
Surely his lust for power will follow me all the days of my life
And I will see votes held to the light on thanksgiving forever
Dana says:

April 23, 2007 at 1:52 pm

Now we know why Lance Armstrong dumped her; who’d want to . . . well, I guess I can’t say that on our hostess’ blog!

I’d suggest that the lovely Miss Crow go about setting up a company which provides reusable toilet paper; surely someone can invent this.

One assumes that Miss Crew has a bidet in her home. Trouble is, in my 110-year-old house, there just isn’t the room (or the plumbing) to install such a divice.
Ryan says:

April 23, 2007 at 1:55 pm

Perhaps Sheryl Crow should look in the mirror instead of going after Rove. Check this out.
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Bottom Line Up Front says:

April 23, 2007 at 3:42 pm

Sheryl Crow’s Toilet Paper Manifesto

In Hollywood, narcissism is a terrible thing to waste.
tommy in nyc says:

April 23, 2007 at 4:03 pm

Dudes must be joking. I mean seriously folks if you cats don’t think the industrial revolution which started in the 19th century hasn’t harmed the envirioment then you are just delusional. Yeah I know some of us on the left blow it out of proportion but it don’t make it any less real. And Karl Rove is trash. If he struck by a bolt of lighting I’d stroll down to the nearest tavern and buy everybody in the joint a drink. And I am not joking.
Severian says:

April 23, 2007 at 4:24 pm

Nice tommy, celebrating a man’s death, so enlightened of you.

And typical, you refuse to read or attempt to understand the science behind the issues, just a regurgitation of “mankind bad, earth gooood” like every little leftist troll out there. You just KNOW mankind is bad and is killing the planet, you just KNOW it.

When you can tell me how a gas that is measured in parts per million in the atmosphere, that humans account for less than 5% of, can have a massive first order effect on climate you can talk. Fact is, you and no one else can. It’s smoke, mirrors, and shell games based on idiotic computer models that are tweaked to get the answer the anti-capitalist greenies want. When you can explain to me how CO2, which has a logarithmic effect on atmospheric transmission at the wavelengths involved, which is already over 3/4 of the way to max effect it can possibly have, can cause massive temperature rises, when 3/4 of the effect which is already here caused, at most, 1 deg of temp rise (and most of that is due to solar effects, not CO2) then maybe we can have a discussion. Hint, you won’t be able to because the science doesn’t support it.

But facts are unimportant, you have “faith” in it, because your masters on the left have told you so, and like good sheeple you trot out and parrot the party line without ever trying to find out the facts and truth of the matter. People like you will be the death of us all, the weak minded and weak willed being led by the cynical, manipulative elitists interested in nothing but power and control over others.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but this same gullibility, credulity, and lack of thinking for yourself was evidenced by the masses that supported people like Hitler and Mussolini. Accept and support but never question, just like a good little comrade. Pathetic but hardly surprising.
PCD says:

April 23, 2007 at 4:40 pm

Tommy, I’m a cancer survivor, twice. In your warped mind, I’ve got 2 trumps vs. Crow’s one. Crow is full of crap. Maybe that is why she thinks people only need one square of TP.

I’ll tell you what Tommy. You and Crow under go a subtotal collectomy that removes your entire colon. We’ll see how long you get by on 1 square of TP. I doubt neither of you will last one day after you are able to eat solid food again.
Great White Rat says:

April 23, 2007 at 6:04 pm

Sev – that 23rd Goracle psalm is excellent!! I’m stealing that one.
Great White Rat says:

April 23, 2007 at 6:23 pm

You Homeboys on the right need to expand your minds bros.

Uh, no thanks. Not the way you choose to ‘expand your mind’, tommy. Not even if you send each of us an autographed bong.

tommy, for once please try thinking through some of these lefty ideas. If the industrial revolution is responsible for global warming, as you claim, then why was Greenland so warm 1000 years ago that the Viking settlers could set up farms there? That’s long before the industrial revolution. What’s your reasoning there? You might consider that maybe – just maybe – all of this is caused by the SUN, like CZ says. Especially since we know the same thing is happening on Mars, and to date no one’s spotted Martians driving around in Hummers or using excess TP.

Sev’s right that your devotion to the global warming line is faith-based, not fact-based. That makes it more of a religion than a scientific viewpoint. In fact, I’d go further – it’s not so much a religion than it is a cult. You’re all carefully programmed, and heretics even receive death threats. Meanwhile, the spokesmen for the cult, such as al-Gore, make themselves rich on the backs of the sheep who buy into it.
Severian says:

April 23, 2007 at 6:39 pm

Link

Seems not all is as the liberal twits like to portray it:

According to David and Crow, the encounter began with a polite request. “We asked Mr. Rove if he would consider taking a fresh look at the science of global warming,” they write. “Much to our dismay, he immediately got combative. And it went downhill from there.”

The eyewitness remembers it a bit differently. Immediately after Dowd’s introduction, the witness says, David began lecturing Rove about global warming. This administration has done nothing on the issue, she told Rove. We face a crisis. The time to act is now. This administration has done nothingâ€¦

At that point, Rove broke in to say, Well, actually we have done something. Rove mentioned global climate research, at which point David broke in herself to say, You just don’t understand. All these questions have been answered. That’s worthless. That’s useless.

In their account, David and Crow write, “We reminded the senior White House advisor that the U.S. leads the world in global warming pollution and we are doing the least about it. Anger flaring, Mr. Rove immediately regurgitated the official Administration position on global warming which is that the US spends more on researching the causes than any other country.”

The eyewitness says Rove asked David if she had read the IPCC report, referring to the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which, while confirming a human role in climate change, substantially undermines some of the most catastrophic charges made in Al Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth,” which David produced. David said she had read the report. “We felt compelled to remind him that the research is done and the results [the IPCC report] are in,” David and Crow write. “Mr. Rove exploded with even more venom. Like a spoiled child throwing a tantrum, Mr. Rove launched into a series of illogical arguments regarding China not doing enough thus neither should we. (Since when do we follow China’s lead?)”

In the eyewitness’ version, again, David and Crow are a bit more aggressive than their own story suggests. The eyewitness says David told Rove, You need to bring in new people to tell you the truth. Rove mentioned Dr. John Marburger, the White House science advisor. At that point, according to the eyewitness, Crow began poking Rove’s chest with her finger, demanding to know what corporations were underwriting Marburger’s work. Rove said Marburger had been in academia most of his career.

With Crow jabbing him in the chest, Rove turned to take his seat. Then, the witness says, Crow grabbed his arm. A few more words were exchanged, and it was over. At the Huffington Post, David and Crow described the ending this way: “In his attempt to dismiss us, Mr. Rove turned to head toward his table, but as soon as he did so, Sheryl reached out to touch his arm. Karl swung around and spat, ‘Don’t touch me.’ How hardened and removed from reality must a person be to refuse to be touched by Sheryl Crow? Unfazed, Sheryl abruptly responded, ‘You can’t speak to us like that, you work for us.’ Karl then quipped, ‘I don’t work for you, I work for the American people.’ To which Sheryl promptly reminded him, ‘We are the American people.'”

In light of the eyewitness’ account, another way of saying it might be, How hardened and removed from reality must a person be to refuse to be jabbed in the chest by Sheryl Crow?

Typical, and as expected. Self important, self righteous, ignorant liberals take it upon themselves to lecture, harass, insult, and basically browbeat someone, and how dare they not like it!
Sister Toldjah says:

April 23, 2007 at 6:43 pm

Sev, check my update
Mwalimu Daudi says:

April 23, 2007 at 6:52 pm

Scatology and global warming – they kind of go together, don’t you think? Thanks, Sheryl!
Severian says:

April 23, 2007 at 6:53 pm

Beat me to it Sister! You rock!

Sounds like a real pleasant pair doesn’t it? How dare you not sit there and take it when I’m talking at you!

I’ve seen it mentioned in the comments on HotAir about how Rove didn’t want to be touched, considering Sheryl “One Sheet” Crow and how clean her hands must be if she practices what she preaches, who’d want to be touched?
Sister Toldjah says:

April 23, 2007 at 7:01 pm

Heh. Funny about Sheryl’s hands and being touched! LOL. I didn’t even think about that.

My thing is all about personal space and it sounds like whether or not Crow actually touched him, she got too close and invaded his personal space. It’s one thing to do that to an average Joe, but it’s another thing to do that to the President’s (well, any president’s) advisor.
Lorica says:

April 23, 2007 at 7:42 pm

Dudes must be joking. I mean seriously folks if you cats don’t think the industrial revolution which started in the 19th century hasn’t harmed the envirioment then you are just delusional. Yeah I know some of us on the left blow it out of proportion but it don’t make it any less real. And Karl Rove is trash. If he struck by a bolt of lighting I’d stroll down to the nearest tavern and buy everybody in the joint a drink. And I am not joking.

Tommy how is this a defense of you using the “absolute moral authority” card?? I am sorry but no one here doesn’t believe that there is some global warming, what we don’t believe is that man is the major cause, especially since the temps are all with in the normal heating and cooling periods the earth has. If man were the major cause then why is mars ice caps melting?? Must be the half a dozen probes we sent to Mars.

You know over 100 years ago the volcano on the island of Krakatoa blew up and destroyed the majority of the island. The scientists at that time said that life will never come back to that island. Krakatoa belched 25 cubic kilometers of volcanic ash into our atmosphere, that is a boat load more polution that man has ever thought about putting into the atmosphere. – Lorica

LINK
Webloggin says:

April 23, 2007 at 10:19 pm

Thirty Years Of Climate Change BS

It is politics as usual. The date has changed, the earth has changed, but liberal activists stay the same – completely unfazed by facts and the lessons of history. All I can say is that the more things change, the more they stay the same and Americans…
sanity says:

April 23, 2007 at 11:47 pm

After reading the update I can fully see Rove turning to return to his table to get away from these to harpies, since crow was jabbing him in the chest – I can see as he turnedto leave her grabbing his arm and almost hear the, “Don’t turn your back on us!”

I have seen and heard of many ecounters that Rove has run into, some explosive where people accosted him, and others more civil, and each encounter he was cool, calm and collective.

Their (crow and david) account doesn’t wash, making it seem he lost it.

Even then, I wouldn’t hold it against him if he did lose it to a degree especially since jabbing him in the chest could be labeled as an assualt.

I am not a lawyer or a cop, but it is my understanding that if you lay your hands on another person without their permission that constitutes an assault.

Assault is often defined to include not only violence, but any physical contact with another person without their consent. When assault is defined like this, exceptions are provided to cover such things as normal social behavior (for example, patting someone on the back)

Link

Now wouldn’t that be a news story you will never see….

Two harpies (David and Crow) assualt the President’s Advisor (Rove).

Also makes me wonder if Dowd didn’t set this up, since she is the one who introduced David/Crow to Rove, hoping tha their will be some type of conflict or get a story out of it.
pjb says:

April 23, 2007 at 11:48 pm

Tommy,

have you read that planets with atmospheres are warming up? MIT recently did a study and Pluto and Mars are warming up. No humans on them, but the Mars rovers.
Leaning Straight Up says:

April 24, 2007 at 2:48 am

Rove, David and Crow: Who said what? Should I care?

Well, as in all good confrontations, it all depends on who you ask.

The players:

Karl Rove, Deputy White House Chief of Staff

Sheryl Crow, singer

Laurie David, environmentalist and produc…
karl says:

April 24, 2007 at 11:29 am

She says it was just a joke, the TP thing.

LINK

I am not convinced, but I’ll take her word for it.
Lorica says:

April 24, 2007 at 11:38 pm

LOL What is it with these people and poorly timed jokes???? Kerry and his get “us” stuck in Iraq, surreeee ya door knob. – Lorica
NC Cop says:

April 25, 2007 at 7:35 pm

I’d stroll down to the nearest tavern and buy everybody in the joint a drink. And I am not joking.

Oh, but you ARE a joke tommmy.

Speaking of joints tommy, how many trees do you kill using up all those rolling papers??
Great White Rat says:

April 26, 2007 at 1:30 am

Karl, I’m not convinced in the least, and I don’t take her word for it, any more than I took Kerry’s word for his ‘botched joke’ not too long ago. What’s happening now is damage control, pure and simple.

Even tommy in nyc can see she was making a fool of herself. If not for the quick flashback from the blogosphere and talk radio, she’d still be pushing this idiocy. But then, isn’t it just like a leftist – when confronted with some opposition, cut and run.

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