Posted by: Sister Toldjah on August 21, 2007 at 7:04 pm
I’ve had an extremely icky day, and my nerves are razor thin right now, and on top of all that I log on to read that supporters of prominent illegal immigrant Elvira Arellano, arrested and deported this week, call her the illegal immigration movement’s “Rosa Parks.” In response, my head just about rocketed off my neck.
This is moral relativism at its stomach-turning worst. It’s too bad these idiots apparently don’t have a clue about history, because Rosa Parks sat in the front of the bus because the damn laws at that time towards black people were unjust and, more importantly, unconstitutional. There is nothing unjust, nor unconstitutional, about deporting people who aren’t here legally. Eric Zorn explained this in a post he wrote about the Arellano last year:
I’m sure immigrants rights groups feel they will benefit by the attempt to turn Arellano into a martyr. Already we are hearing supporters compare her to Rosa Parks, the black woman whose act of civil disobedience– in 1955 she refused to give up her seat on the bus to a white man — sparked the civil rights movement.
But Parks was defying an unjust and immoral law — a judgment that history has validated. And I have yet to hear a coherent argument that says justice and morality demand that otherwise law-abiding people who manage to sneak into the United States have a right to remain here.
I’ve heard good arguments that it’s in our best interests as a nation to create a “path to citizenship” or at least a robust guest-worker program for those who are here illegally; that immigrants enrich us culturally and economically so our laws should be more welcoming.
But Arellano’s defiance — such as her proclamation that her arrest and deportation will serve to illustrate “the hatred and hypocrisy of the current administration”– retards those arguments. It’s imbued with a sense of entitlement that many Americans — I’ll guess most — find very off-putting.
Regular readers of this blog know that I didn’t stand shoulder to shoulder with most conservatives on the immigration bill, which went down in flames earlier this year, but I will stand shoulder to shoulder with any conservative or liberal who comes out and condemns this nonsense about Elvira Arellano being “today’s Rosa Parks” for what it is: a slap in the face to the civil rights movement of the 50s and 60s, a movement that demanded civil rights for legal citizens of this country who happened to be black.
This “Elvira is today’s Rosa” is very similar to the baloney comparisons that the gay rights community routinely makes between their ‘plight’ and that of black people in the 60s. Uh, no. It doesn’t work that way. Get back with me, moral relativists, when both gay people and illegals have to drink from separate water fountains, eat at different lunch counters, have to sit in the back of the bus … you get the picture.
Undercover Black Man, in a post about another ridiculous comparison to Elvira Arellano (that of a ‘slave on the run’), cuts to the heart of the matter on the idiotic comparisons:
Hey, take your best shot, J.J. But don’t expect any black people to stand in solidarity with you on open immigration when you disrespect our struggle. Illegal immigration isn’t comparable to black slavery in any way.
One, nobody is dragging Mexicans here against their will. Two, no U.S. immigration official has lashed the bare back of any Mexican with a whip, as used to happen to “runaway slaves” who got caught. Three, Mexican workers get paid; they send billions of dollars per year back home to Mexico.
ST adds: Four, Mexican illegals have been coming here for years in order to obtain “free” healthcare that was not available to slaves. Five, Mexican illegals have never had to use a separate water fountain, have never been ordered to sit in the back of the bus, never had to worry about “whites only” restuarants, etc. Six, Mexican illegals, under our current no-enforcement laws, are pretty much free to come and go as they please.
Readers, please feel free to add to that list in the comments.
Needless to say, these comparisons are not going to endear pro-illegal immigration advocates to America’s other prominent minority community: the black community, comprised mostly of liberal Democrats who are not used to (nor interested in) sharing the victim spotlight. The fight from here on out will be to see how hard both sides battle for the right to claim “We’re The Bigger Victims” status.
Via Jeff Goldstein.
Number 7 on the list:
7. Slaves had to speak English, whether they wanted to or not.
Yep, long-time reader, first time commenter. Great blog you have here, sis.
I did not stand shoulder to shoulder with the hardliners either. In fact just last night I was called an anarchist open border fanatic because I supported Bush’s policy. I have also been called traitor, liar, moron, and that is just a small sample of the abuse I have taken for failing to get in line like the Borg and accept the fact that resistance was futile and immigration reform is the devil’s work.
Now I see that this administration’s policy is about “hatred and hypocrisy” and picks on illegals.
Demagoguery can be so confusing. Both sides are making this issue way too emotional. It is about the law and rules and what is and is not common sense and possible and realistic. Or at least it should be and it goes without saying that the US has the right and even the duty to deport people.
I think that this will backfire.
Meanwhile Bush was asked today if he was really trying to establish a North American Union to supplant our own government.
Like I said before, the man can not win for losing.
Thr Brain Guy:
No, they did not. They just had to know what to do. In fact slaves in states like Lousiana spoke French.
Terrye, your feelings about immigration bill opponents are well known here
Let’s try to keep this on something we can all agree on, and that’s the dumb camparisons of this illegal immigrant to Rosa Parks and a ‘runaway slave.’ I don’t want this thread to get off track.
i’m staying out of this one.
ST:
Gotcha.
Well it is a dumb comparison as you say.
For one thing what Rosa Parks did took a great deal of courage. Getting deported is not something particularly heroic.
Funny…I still have the newspaper from last week with her on the cover telling “ice” to “catch her if they dare”.
She is in no way a role model nor should she be compared to Rosa Parks.
She is simply a role model for ILLEGAL immigration,identity theft, trespassing, etc.
Our poor Constitution needs a new amendment stating that children born here are NOT automatically granted citizenship. When that was written, we were still in the process of growing this country. It is now out-dated and abused.
Much like our Constitution stating I have the right to bear arms…but honestly, I cannot. Our local towns don’t allow it. Nor does City of Chicago even allow you to own one at all in the city limits.
Hence, the Constitution, the way it’s written, needs some new amendments, as apparently, the laws are applied only how people see fit to benefit themselves.
Regarding Elvira Arellano, I’m with you, sister, on this one 100%
Regarding the immigration bill, I would be in favor of some sort of “path to citizenship” for illegals IF and ONLY IF, we could seal the border 100% AND I could be assured that it would stay sealed. Unfortunately i don’t see either happening anytime soon.
Linda:
I know what you are saying, but if you took that right away from people now, after all these years, then someone really might have the right to compare themselves to Rosa Parks because you would be treating them differently from everyone else. I am not talking about the illegal, but the children born here. I do understand what people mean when they say they want to do away with the tradition of allowing people born here to be Americans…. but none of us American born citizens are granted citizenship because of who our parents are. We are citizens because it is considered our birth rate. Can we take that away from someone else?
The truth is right now no one in this country can compare themselves to Rosa Parks. There is no group or individual which can claim that kind of victim status.
Thanks, Terrye – I don’t mind healthy discussion of the immigration bill itself, I’m just trying to move past the arguments over the name-calling that happened the last go around.
First time Iv’e read your comments and to tell you the absolute truth, I have nothing to disagree with.
Roas Parks was a first class “CITIZEN” who had no rights to do anything that our constitution said was ‘LEGAL’ including, riding in the front seat of any bus in our country.
Illegal alliegns, regardless of which contry they seem to want to depart, were not, as you stated, “REQUIRED” to be here, they came on their own!
Blacks, negroe’s, Africans, Ethiopians, etc, had no choice to come. They came via, whips, chains, ropes, with a price on their ‘EXPENSIVE’ heads, and put up for the highest bidder. The ‘ENGLISH’ were the ones who brought them to this country, not the American Colonies, who under duress, were expected to OWN one, or two, JUST to “Keep up with the Jone’s”, at the time
I agree that I have “NEVER SEEN A ‘HISPANIC’ PERSON” being whipped, hanged, ridiculed because of thier color of skin or slautered because they didnt’ “Look Like Us”
Must be I am a racist pig. Lord, forgive me for being someone who cares about my fellow AMERICAN. Forgive me for not following the wishes of the church to allow people to “Break Laws, Scream injustice for not wanting to follow the laws of the country they do not even legaly belong to, REFUSE to understand why Millions of people despise them for not understnading why they won’t ever learn the language of the country they have INVADED, ILLEGALY, and further to continue to say “WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO RAPE, PLUNDER, STEAL, SELL DRUGS, PROFIT FROM ILLEGAL VENTURES and corupt the actual Legal Citizen into falsehoods, such as being stated by foreigners like Elvira Arellano. By the way, what took so long for the INS to expell this person from “our” country?
Sorry for being so long, just have some issues to bring to light. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE MEXICO, I think they have a BEUTIFUL HISTORY, Mexican’s have always been a strong part of my life of 65 years. Both Legal ones, and the ones we don’t like to think we know! God Bless AMERICA, especially the ‘Norde Americanos’ “
Everyone here is talking about rights, so i feel all of you wiil agree that human rights are the most important piece in our modern soceity. We have the right to persue happiness wherever our place is on earth. Yes, Elvira broke the law. The same way the puritans broke the law of not beleiving what the roman church dictated in Europe and the left the continent. I wonder if they broke indians laws when they decided to take the land away from them. Of course, they were savages. What laws would they have?
Migration is a social and natural phenomena. People have moved from one place to another since the begining of our world and this fact will be present until the end of it. The reasons why we move are countless. War?, Self improvement?, Money?, Poverty,? Oppresive goverments?, add your favorite to this list. Laws are meant to concialate our differences and they respond to necessities of the times people live in. When Elvira pointed that the immmigration law is broken, she was aware of the necesities of our time. The U.S. needs cheap labor and a markets for its goods. We. the people that come to this country need the jobs and We are the market that this country needs to survive in this competitive world. The process to accomadate these two necesities is not working properly. Let’s push for a reform that will better make our rights coexist more productively.
I am glad they FINALLY arrested this woman and sent her back to her country. She had been deported twice and had NO right to be here illegally and I think she used her child as a pawn. I hate to say that about another Mom but thats how I feel.
The law should be changed. I’m tired of 9 monthers coming over here to have their babies so they can be citizens. It ain’t right and needs to be put in ANY IMMIGRATION BILL they propose.
Has anyone heard from the dem candidates on this issue. Lets see how much vote pandering they can get off this issue.
The last time I checked, Rosa Parks did not sneak onto the bus to avoid paying a fare.
One other aspect of the Parks comparison, and how insulting it is to Blacks, is that illegal immigration always affects the job prospects of the lower demographics of America.
Of course, that includes many Blacks.
As it happens, most Blacks are vehemently against illegal immigration, and this absurd analogy is DOA.
It is only being made by the Leftist faux populists, who have made a career out of riding the backs of whatever “oppressed” group they can muster. Happily, they are fooling fewer and fewer people with this tactic.
The 14th Amendment, ratified in 1868, had nothing to do with immigration. It was a federal mandate to give citizenship to people who had been slaves, and lived in states that had legislatures who resisted making former slaves citizens. The concept of an “anchor baby” is a perversion of the ammendments original intent.
Good point Tom TB, but how many of these moonbats passed a course in factual history and understood the meaning of what *IS* is?
Terrye:
(3) That’s really funny, for some reason.
- You get a good idea of just how Black Americans feel about the idea of SecProggs trying to hijack civil rights movement icons for their own anti-everything-America by viewing some of the very heated clashes at several of the colleges in the past year.
- Question that arises. Could this be a case of simple law-breaking, wrongly coached in civil rights terms by “in-authentic others”. Heh. Love to see their nonsense inventions come back to bite them.
- Apparently Blacks don’t like being used and treated like they are Conservatives. *snort*
- BBH –
I have a friend who believes that the US should put a 10% fee on all funds transfers to Mexico. This fee can then pay for emergency care for the illegals that are here.
I am abit lost by the history lesson of number 12 Patrico. Might I ask what happened to the Aztecs??? It wasn’t the English that wiped them out. Seems to me that there is blood on the hands of all Europeans when it came to the settlement of this country. I am abit lost how this history lesson defends the idea of open borders. If the Natives of North and South America would have beat back the European settlers those settlers would have eventually gave up. Then you would have had what the Spanish did. Send in huge armies to destroy and loot the civilizations that were here already. Also are you a property owner or are you employed by a corporation that does business with America?? Do you give a portion of your paycheck to help the relief of the American Natives?? And Yes that could mean going to an Indian Casino. Have you returned any property that you own in the US to the Native Tribe that originally owned it?? Or at least given that Tribe the dollar value of your home?? Seems to me if you had the courage of your convictions you would do these things.
As far as this person. It makes no sense to me how she is such an activist for change in this country, but has she done anything to help the plight of her own country?? Has she gone to that great world body known as the United Nations to force the Mexican Oil industry to share it’s oil revenues?? Has she been so willing to show up on Mexican TV or Newspapers to declare a need for change in Mexico?? What exactly has she done to help her own country?? – Lorica
An argument I’d like to see explored is the exploitation of illegal immigrants. The peurile “jobs American’s won’t do” argument always leaves off the important bit, which is “…for the exploitative wages we want to pay for them.” Pay decent wages, with benefits, to pick tomatoes and wash dishes, and Americans will sign up for the jobs.
Anyone supporting the “jobs Americans won’t do” argument is tacitly endorsing the economic exploitation of illegal immigrants.
Hi Lorica
I am glad you answer back to my opinion and i wiil make an effort to better explain my point to you. First of all I am not a woman. Patricio is a male name, but i guees you never had the chance to hear this name before. Another lesson of history you might say, but the aztecs were not conquered by huge Spanish armies. Hernan Cortes with only 500 men more acomplished this incredible task.
I do not have any properties so far in this country. but i agree with your proposition of paying to those who were abused in the past. On the other hand i do not if the company i work for contributes to aliviate the suffering of these people, but i guess part of the federal and state taxes that the company pays goes to this cause. Personally I pay my labor taxes every single week and every single day when i go to the store to spend my hard earned money. It is a good question if these monies are helping the people abused by the european settlers. I hope they do.
But my point is that i think some people feel so compromised with the law without even knowing why laws were created and how these laws evolve in time.
At this moment I was going to try to explain this to you, But i do not want to lecture you about this historic process. i rather leave this to you as
homework with the hope you will read extensevely about it and then have a more thougful conversation.
The inmigration policies in this country are broken. they do not work for the times we are living. If we all want fair treatment in this issue, we must make the legislators work over time to find the way to solve this upseting problem.
By the way, borders and walls have not worked to solve human conflicts. Let’s be creative and find better ways to deal with them.
Patricio, good fences make for good neighbors. You visit your neighbor when you call in advance; and make sure you are welcome before you visit.
Hi Tom TB
Nice to hear from you. Of course I am welcome. You might want to ask the companies in need of laborers willing to work for low wages in order to reduce their costs and make them competitive in the markets around the world. Maybe it would be a good idea if you also ask the babyboomers in need of the working force to support their well earned retirement. And if you do not mind i will encourage you to ask the new and old enterpanuers that see how thier share of market in Europe and Asia is shrinking and see the inmigrants consumers as an option to alivate their crisis.
Yes, Good neighbors should call in advaced to come and help their friends in need. We have been knocking, but it seems that nobody wants to come to answer the door and shake our hands to start working on the problems our neighborhood is facing.
Which is why many support cracking down on those very businesses that employ illegal aliens. If all we did was want to build a wall and say the hell with it, I could see your point. However, many do support going after those very businesses that encourage illegals to come to the U.S.
And I will encourage you to ask the victims of rape, murder, robbery, and assault at the hands of illegal aliens. You can ask if these crimes would have been committed if our immigration laws had been enforced or if we had a wall to keep illegals out.
I do support increasing the amount of people who are allowed to come into the U.S. legally from Mexico. I think the current level is unrealistic.
That doesn’t mean that you get to kick down the door and come in just because you don’t like the response you are getting.
What solutions would you suggest to solve the problem?
Hi NC
I share your concern about crimes commited in this country and of course in any other country of the world. But it seems to me that you think that all these crimes are commited by inmigrants. i understand your belief if you just look at the numbers shown by the media. The same media that streches the truth to conform to an agenda that deviates the attention of the people from the issues that really matter.
Search for numbers and statistics of crime in The U.S. and you will be surprised.
The reform is the answer for your concern. Let these inmigrants come to the light and be a regulated part of this soceity. You will be secure if you know who Pedro or Maria are, where they live, What they do, and what they can do to help you improve your way of life.
No, sir, I don’t. I said the crimes that were committed by illegal aliens would not have been committed at all if we had our immigration laws enforced. By no means do I feel that ALL illegal aliens are murderers or rapists or robbers. Even more so, when our officers deal with illegal aliens who are VICTIMS or WITNESSES of crimes we go out of our way to make them feel that they can trust us and we will not go running to INS or ICE.
Amen to that, brother! I completely agree with you on that one. However, numbers cannot lie or be twisted. Numbers are numbers. I realize it’s not a large percentage of crimes, however, it’s difficult to tell the families or victims of these crimes that it could have been prevented except for political correctness.
I’m sorry, I just don’t see how this will help stop the flow of illegals into the country or help stop potential terrorists from flowing into our country through a porous border.
Patricio wrote, “We have been knocking, but it seems that nobody wants to come to answer the door and shake our hands to start working on the problems our neighborhood is facing.”
Liars don’t make good neighbors either.
This country allows MORE LEGAL immigrants than ALL other countries combined.
When you knock we answer very generously.
What we are talking about is the fact that you need to follow the process and come here legally.
It is imperative for national security. We need to know who is here. It is so evident after 9/11 with Islamofascists who were here illegally on expired visas. We cannot simply grant an amnesty.
We need to hold accountable people that hire illegal immigrants.
We need to hold accountable people who are here illegally and commit crimes.
At the very least the above 2 items are non-negotiable.
As employment dries up you should then realize you can go home and then start knocking on the door.
Patricio, you’re correct that not all crimes are committed by illegals, and of course most are law-abiding – with one small exception: they broke our law just to get here. That shows no respect for this country, its people, or its government. Having established that, it’s no surprise that there’s a thriving identity theft market among illegals as well.
“Reform” is a very nice-sounding word…but the devil is always in the details. The last “reform”, about 20 years ago, certainly made the problem worse.
I’m all in favor of legal immigration, and I agree with NC Cop that some of the quotas are too low. But I also want to allow in those legal immigrants who want to become Americans. I don’t want the ones who refuse to learn the language, demand all kinds of goverment services that the rest of us pay for, and then hold rallies taunting us that they’re going to take over.
If someone wants to come here legally and become a citizen, I’ll hold the door open for him or her and be the first to welcome them in. For those who do not want to be Americans, stay home and work to improve conditions in your own country, whether it be Norway, Nigeria, or Mexico.
Hey, I’m no fan of this criminal either, but did ST just say “bleepity bleeping hell?” Since she was given the boot and kicked from our shores, but overall, I’d say it was worth it, just to ST utter that line.
This one’s getting bookmarked
Patrico, I have never thought you were anything else but a man. I am sorry that somehow you thought that I believed you were a woman. I don’t know how you got that idea.
I would like to take issue with this comment. Our immigration policies are not broken, they are ignored. To often Congress believes that they can ignore our laws, and ever 20 years or so just give out amnesty either in the form of citizenship or in some new long term visa. This is what was proposed with this new immigration bill, and thankfully it went down in flames, and our government is presently enforcing the law of the land.
This is also an erroneous belief. Our border with Canada is the largest unprotected political territory marker in the history of man. When was the last time we went to war with Canada??? Seems that this border is working pretty well. This is truly a foolish statement. It is not about borders not working, it is about respect. Respect for cultural differences, respect for institutional differences. Why should Canadian taxes pay for my needs?? I am sorry Patrico, this is not a logical thought. Also, the Great Wall of China was instrumental in keeping out the Mongolians. Seems like it worked there too. – Lorica
Ohhhh and speaking about missing the point Patrico. Whether it was an army of 500 or 50,000 that was neither here nor there. The point of the matter is that to often history reveals that those that do not protect themselves, disappear from the face of the earth.
Lastly, it was an incredible task destroying and looting a whole civilzation?? Now why would I take any further notice of anything you say, when you are obviously dual minded. What the Spanish did was incredible in Mexico, but the creation the US was horrible and bad??? Did I get that right?? – Lorica
The US broke hte law first by ALLOWING illegal immigrants to come across the border without documents and to pay taxes…..
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Audacity? Chuztpa? Ignorance? Stupidity?
For myself I was flabbergasted at such statements and the media attention given to her.
Audacity? Chuztpa? Ignorance? Stupidity?
How about “all of the above”?
Unfortunately, too many people who aren’t enamored of controlling the borders will buy into it…it’ll be a weird mutation of the “blame America” mindset that plays well with those folks.
Thank you lorica, Great White Rat, Baclava and NC Cop for your comments. I hope this exchange of opinios help us to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
NC Cop, When these human beings that you call Illegal aliens come to the light, you will feel more secure because at that point, all the goverment agencies will have a record of every one of us and therefore it will be easier to find people and make them accountable for their deeds.
To stop the flow of illegal inmigration, we need to make it legal. When a law does not respond to the necesities of two conflicting rights, people should find ways to ammend and improve the law. The current legislation has been surpassed by the conditions and challenges our vecinity demand. You agree on increasing the quotas for some countries. Why don’t we start openning the door to those who already live here. Of course, This process needs to be earned and if there is a penalty inmigrants need to pay, Let’s make it fair.
Baklava, For my part, I do not lie. I came to this country with the firm idea of staying , because i have the conviction that a human being has the right to live wherever he or she chosses in the world. If you are looking for liars, you might want to start voting out those politicians who are deviating your attention from the real terrorist of the people. It has always been easier to blame on those who can not defend. Those who attacked The U.S. had the economical power and the logistic intelligence to do harm. I wonder if you are conviced that the poor people that crosses the border in search of a better life with just the resources of their bare hands represent a threat to you.
Sorry guys, My master chief in command is demmanding my services. I will try to be here later to continue sharing our thoughts.
Not sure if your being sarcastic or not, but I will treat it as an honest statement for now.
I do not trust my government to run things themselves. Look at everything the government has tried to control with industry and you can see it always bogs it down. Healthcare? FCC? Workplace?
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It always either does too little (unless it is time to pass an immigration bill and suddenly we see “enforcement”) or it bogs down the good it could do with politics, too much red tape and incompetence at times.
Your arguement to try and place ‘human’ with illegal aliens is to try and put a softness on the illegality.
Database? Fine, I have no problem with that – SSN every american has and is in a database, drivers licenses, ect – why should immigrants be any different?
I also have no problem with a national ID card, both for immigrants and citizens – it would go a long way to curb voting illegalities also. You show a National ID and you get to vote. What is yet another card in my wallet?
WHOA!! Back up the horses there haus. You seem to fail to realize that immigration is already LEGAL. We have a process in place – what these illegal aliens are doing is crossing into our borders without going through the right process and then expect to be given special treatment.
Two conflicting rights? You have the right to ask permission and go through the LEGAL way to enter this country. There is no conflict until you or anyone else decides to break those laws and do it your own way.
I know the law says i shouldnt rob a bank, but I need the money so that law is in conflict with my need – it should be changed.
Yes extreme, and rediculous, just the same as your statement was. There is no conflict with the law or with immigration if you do it right. Running across the border of another country should not automtically entitle you to tuition in that country, federal help and monies, food stamps, housing, schooling for your children…
And before you take the US to task on its want for a secure border so terrorist do not sneak across either (which has been documented happening), you should really look at places like Mexico and other soveriegn nations and see how they handle their borders. You will find that the US is more lax than many of them, including Mexico. Should we adopt Mexico’s border security as our own?
Everyone keeps saying we should be like all these other countries, lets be like Mexico and protect our borders like they do? Bet many would not like that….
Now, I don’t hold that the US should deport e3very illegal that is in the US, BUT I do think the first thing we need to do is protect our border. You stop the flow first.
If you have a hole in the bottom of your boat, do you try and make the water comfortable or you stop the leak first, then figure out what to do with the water?
It really is common sense.
- Stop he flow coming across the border first and foremost, build the wall, since that is also what the majority of americans wanted
- Then you remove federal funding from any city that tries to be a sanctuary city for illegals.
- You allow the police to check backgrounds, rid our jails of illegal alien criminal elements (our taxes going to feed house and guard these illegal alien criminals that are not even our own citizens).
- Go after the the businesses that knowingly higher illegal aliens. If the job opportunities for cheap labor no longer exists and federal monies and help are no longer there, the free handouts, medical care, schooling, ect will force a reverse flow. If these opportunities no longer exist, the illegals will go back or not be coming across by the millions.
I applaud you for your belief, BUT it is wrong. A human being does not havethe ‘right’ to live anywhere he or she chooses. There are soveriegn nations out there, they have rules and regulations, and if you choose not to obey those rules, those laws, then you pay the penalties involved.
While it is a nice thought, it is by far a naive one at that. Even Mexco has rules, laws and regulations that state what type of person can live in Mexico. I had them once before, but I can find them again for what is required to live in Mexico. Why should the US be any different?
With the US leading the charge on the war on terrorism, there would be nothing terrorists would like to do more than to strike at the heart of the ‘evil infidel satan’ – and open borders, the inability to keep track of those visiting our country, the inability to even ask for background checks on those who come across into our country …leaves a gaping hole in our security.
No, I am not a caremonger, but these are very real possibilities of our times.
Then there is also the fact that people who come into the US illegally without being screened can bring in deadly diseases from other countries. Without being screened we as citizens are put at risk. Without screening there is no way to control that, to get the person with it help needed and they are loose among our population.
Look how easy it was for this person with the rare form of TB to get back into the US. That alone should be a wakeup call.
If that was only the case, but it isn’t. Among those millions that come across are also criminals, rapists, molesters, ect. Yes there are alot of hardworking illegal immigrants looking fo a better life, but don’t you think we should have the ability and the need to sort out the good from the bad? Shouldn’t they also go through the proper ways of getting in to the US?
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A little more statistics and I will close this very long response……
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I am not saying all that come intothe US illegally are criminals, but we damn sure should have the ability to check, secure and defend against what does.
One last thing from the last article I pointed out above that sums this up nicely…..
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This article was from 2004, and you can bet the statistics as bad as they are that I have shown, they have gotten worse as time has gone by.
It is not all hard working, doing the jobs others won’t do illegal immigrants – there is alot of illegal activity (besides the illegal trespass into our county, forged documents and identity theft that normally goes along with these actions), there is alot of criminal and gang elements that come across, as pointed out in the statistics of hte article.
We as a soveriegn nation should have the ability and the right to protect our borders and our citizens the best way we can.
And not not sound callous, but if people do not like our rules and our laws they can go elsewhere. Think of it like business, you don’t like the service, go somewhere else.
We need the ability to protect our citizens, and to filter out the criminal elements that come across illegally and threaten our way of life.
Bravo, Sanity. You hit every point perfectly. Not much left to say after that.
Thank you Sanity for your comments. I am glad my opinions are being heard and these have motivated you to write such an extensive response.
Unfortunately today i worked 14 hours and tomorrow does not look any better. Your time and effort for writing these opinions deserve the same treatment of my part. I promise i will write you back with all respect.
I do not agree with Great White Rat. There is so much to say after your comments.
Patricio wrote, “i have the conviction that a human being has the right to live wherever he or she chosses in the world. ”
Great… I’m selling my house and moving in to yours !!
What is your address? Or are you a hypocrite?
You see? There are rules and laws. We have the right to national security. We have the right to be a generous nation allowing more legal immigrants than all other countries combines.
Take your platitudes to other nations and see how accommodating they are. You will find they aren’t even half as generous as we are and you will find yourself in jail…
Please start referring to us truthfully as the most generous and accommodating nation on earth. Please respect our laws and come here legally as we allow more legal immigrants than all other nations on earth.
Thank you for following these rules… I’ll be waiting for your house key and address if not…
Patricio wrote, “Baklava, For my part, I do not lie.”
But Patricio, wasn’t it you who wrote, “We have been knocking, but it seems that nobody wants to come to answer the door and shake our hands”
I’m sorry. That IS a lie. Or at least it’s the opposite of the truth.
Again. This country answer the door to those who knock MORE generously than any other nation as we allow MORE legal immigrants than all other nations combined.
Next time you write to us – write with the truth in mind about our generosity.
Then take into consideration that there ARE terrorists and folks with tuberculosis and drug movers coming across our border. You CAN’T act like ALL folks coming here illegally are just poor people looking for a job.
Two points:
1) The poor people looking for a job need to “knock on the door” as you say and then come here legally
2) The people who insist on coming here illegally need to stop because we need to protect our nation from so many factors. It’s like having a front door that is locked on your house… and not letting people just climb through the windows.
Respect is the key.
Please respect us.