What impact will Kerry’s comments have on this election – and McCain’s presidential aspirations

Jim Geraghty at NRO speculates:

I’m sure there are a lot of conservatives out there who have a bone or two to pick with Sen. John McCain. Campaign finance, prisoner treatment, his buddy-buddy relationship with Jon Stewart and Esquire magazine, etc…

But if this Kerry thing dominates the last week of the campaign, a big reason is going to because the Media’s Favorite Republican refused to provide cover to Kerry. Instead, as Byron [York] reports, he’s body-slamming Kerry. Hard.

If 2006 turns out to be a not-that-bad year for Republicans, and this story is credited with being a crucial late factor, then McCain – who already has a lot of Republicans owing him favors for helping them out on the campaign trail – is probably going to get a lot more conservatives saying, “You know, McCain might not be such a bad party man after all…”

What do you think?

Update I – 9:59 AM: Speaking of Kerry, Stop The ACLU has video of Don Imus telling Kerry to shut up and go windsurfing – LOL

Update II – 10:06 AM: MEGA-OUCH! (Hat tip: Hugh Hewitt)

Update III – 11:21 AM: The RNC has released an ad asking Kerry to apologize.

Update IV – 11:40 AM: Some Democratic candidates for Congress are now calling on Kerry to apologize.

52 Responses to "What impact will Kerry’s comments have on this election – and McCain’s presidential aspirations"

PCD says:

November 1, 2006 at 9:39 am

Drudge has a link, but the cut and run Democrat here, Bruce Braley, told Kerry to cancel Kerry’s campaign visit here. A visit from Lurch would just focus the electorate on Braley’s hate for the military, and the voters here are not as left wing as Braley.

Tangental note. Braley comes from the city that the 5 Sullivan Brothers from WW2 came from. Where the Sullivans and died for our country, Braley would eliminate the military and use the funds for social programs.
Sister Toldjah says:

November 1, 2006 at 9:54 am

PCD, I posted the link to the Braley story here.
Dave in CO says:

November 1, 2006 at 11:15 am

I wish I could remember where I read it but yesterday, on a blog I read, a commentor referred to Kerry as “Treebeard”. If you saw the LotR trilogy, you can’t help but laugh.
Conservative Outpost says:

November 1, 2006 at 11:20 am

John Kerry shoots Dems in the foot

You gotta love the guy. As annoying, condescending, self-important, etc, etc., this blow-dried, French looking idiot is, he does manage to deliver for Republicans. At a very minimum, his comments, suggesting that our troops are uneducated, does the GOP…
Merie says:

November 1, 2006 at 11:33 am

Senator Kerry was right even taken out of context. This bush gang is out to stick you in Iraq. Only the college chicken hawks like bush get out of going to war.
Baklava says:

November 1, 2006 at 11:52 am

Merie, there is no draft today. Your assertion doesn’t have facts behind it and shows your contempt for those who serve.

Here’s an article on who “joins” the military today. It totally dispells what Kerry and you are saying about who is joining the military.

I hope you can change your attitude for the better. It’d be horrible to go through life that way…
Stacy says:

November 1, 2006 at 11:56 am

What a bunch of bull – to imply that my husband was too dumb (guess the ROTC scholarship he got to Tulane was some sort of bait-and-switch tactic – oh wait, CLINTON was in office when he was in college…) to avoid going to Iraq…that drives me absolutely berzerk.
Severian says:

November 1, 2006 at 11:59 am

Severian lights another round of citronella candles, waves the flyswatter around, and is heard to mutter under his breath “Damn, the moonbats are thick today!”
Big Bang Hunter says:

November 1, 2006 at 12:07 pm

– Ford Jr. Just called for “Kerry to apologize to America, and all the armed forces for his inappropriate comments”. The Dem candidates are going to need to get out front of this before it gets out of hand. if it hasn’t already. Kerry is going to feel very alone very soon. Loyalty in the Dem party was never one of their strong points. Ask Lieberman.

– Bang
Baklava says:

November 1, 2006 at 12:13 pm

The drive-by legacy media does NOT understand that they don’t have the ability to change, distort and wash over reality any more. Some Democrats realize this and are asking Kerry to stay away after previously scheduled campaign stops together or apologize.
Leaning Straight Up says:

November 1, 2006 at 12:57 pm

The fallout grows: Some Dems line up against Kerry

Here is a list of the more recent fallout to the Kerry comment calamity.
Kerry cancels Mankato appearance
The dueling rallies scheduled for Mankato today on behalf of Republican congressman Gil Gutknecht and Democratic challenger Tim Walz lost some of…
Leaning Straight Up says:

November 1, 2006 at 1:18 pm

The Troops Respond to Kerry (picture), It doesn’t look like they are buying his excuse

John, still think that the the troops have confidence you support them? I don’t think they are buying the "botched joke" excuse.
John? Show some friggin humility and apologize. Geeez!

(from drudge)
Previously:

The f…
Big Bang Hunter says:

November 1, 2006 at 1:45 pm

– a message from those dumb “grunts” in the ME to J F’ing Kerry says it all – FOX ran the picture of a group of our guys holding a hand painted sign saying:

“Hulp us Jon Carry – We is Stuck hear in Irak”

(the “S” in stuck is backwards…. perfect)

– Bang
Sister Toldjah says:

November 1, 2006 at 2:01 pm

Bang, FYI:

LINK
Leaning Straight Up says:

November 1, 2006 at 2:07 pm

Kerry Apologizes on MSNBC (kinda)

From Thinkprogress, we hear Kerry talking about this this morning on Imus. (see the video)
He says he apologized for the botched joke, but I really don’t hear an apology for the people offended.
It is a start, but in my opinion, not enough.
…
Merie says:

November 1, 2006 at 2:42 pm

baklava, keep supporting this group and you too may be stuck in Iraq or Iran. People are not joining like they used to. A draft will be iminent with these warmongers in charge and I’ll bet many chicken hawks will show their true feathers. I support the troops that’s why I want them home with their loved ones. Do you know why we are in Iraq even though we are creating more terrorist than we can eliminate. DO TELL!
Big Bang Hunter says:

November 1, 2006 at 3:22 pm

– Bob Beckle on FOX…. “[Sometimes] in trying to defend my fellow Dems I feel like the only fire hydrant at the Westminster dog show…. Would I say Kerry should apologize….yes quite frankly I wish he would and then just go home…”

– Bang
Big Bang Hunter says:

November 1, 2006 at 3:31 pm

– Merie – Keep trying to run away from the Jihadists, and stick your head in the sand, and soon if you’re a female, you’ll be getting fitted for a Burka.

– That argument that we are “making more terrorits” by fighting the terrorists, has to be one of the most assinine Lefturd talking points they’ve come up with so far.

– The Jihadist thugs are so desperate at this point they’ll use ANY excuse to try to gain support, and you and the rest of your idiotarian far Left gaggle are playing right into their hands. So far it seems the only people being suckered by the Islamists is the so-called American elite.

– Bang
PCD says:

November 1, 2006 at 3:35 pm

Merie, please tell us you don’t have children and will not have children.
Severian says:

November 1, 2006 at 3:38 pm

People are not joining like they used to.

Do you actually know what’s happening in the world at all, or do you entirely live in your demented little dream world Merie? The services are easily meeting and even exceeding not only their recruitement goals, but also their retention goals. That’s right, those people who are getting sent into Iraq are re-enlisting in record numbers, all for the priviledge of going back to Iraq again. You can whine and moan all you want, but the people who are actually doing the heavy lifting, the people who know more about what’s going on than you and your leftist pals can ever know, are signing back up and obviously don’t share your opinions. And these people in the military who are doing this are all far far better people than you and your moonbat bretheren will ever be.
Severian says:

November 1, 2006 at 3:39 pm

Merie, please tell us you don’t have children and will not have children.

Well, given her propensity to parrot the traditional far leftist drivel, I’d say children, never, but probably proud to have had or planning to have several abortions.
Sister Toldjah says:

November 1, 2006 at 3:51 pm

Ok, ya’ll, let’s not make this personal. Keep hammering away on the issue, please.
Severian says:

November 1, 2006 at 4:06 pm

That may be difficult ST. It’s damned hard to have a conversation about the issues with someone who is that completely ignorant of reality and damned proud of it. It’s like trying to have a discussion about global climate change with someone who believes that banging rocks together makes it rain.
Sister Toldjah says:

November 1, 2006 at 4:08 pm

But you’re a gentleman, Sev, so I know you will honor a lady’s request when she asks ya
Severian says:

November 1, 2006 at 4:15 pm
NC Cop says:

November 1, 2006 at 4:17 pm

Do you know why we are in Iraq even though we are creating more terrorist than we can eliminate. DO TELL!

It’s quite simple Merie. Take a look at N. Korea and you will see why we are in Iraq. Both were brutal dictatorships, N. Korea still is, and both dictators were obsessed with obtaining nuclear weapons. For years, more than a decade actually, we talked and talked and bribed N. Korea and it didn’t work. Now we have a nuclear N. Korea and everyone is screaming “How did this happen?!?!?”

With Iraq, President Bush decided he was not going to wait until Iraq was testing nukes before doing something about it. Iraq harbored, trained, and funded terrorists. Iraq refused to comply with at least a dozen different U.N. resolutions including those that dealth with weapons of mass destruction. Iraq was behind a plot to assassinate a former U.S. President. Iraq attacked four separate nations, including our allies in Israel.

I’m not sure what exactly has to happen before people like you brand a country as a “threat”. Perhaps after Saddam detonated his first nuke, then you could have screamed that Bush failed to prevent it.

Now, I have no doubt that you knew this list of Iraq’s offenses, yet you thought they were not enough. So again I ask you, what has to happen for a country to be a “threat” to us???
Sister Toldjah says:

November 1, 2006 at 4:23 pm

So again I ask you, what has to happen for a country to be a “threat” to us???

If said country turned Republican, then I think it would be considered a threat by Dems
NC Cop says:

November 1, 2006 at 4:29 pm

LOL!! I think you’re right S.T.!!!
Severian says:

November 1, 2006 at 4:30 pm

If said country turned Republican, then I think it would be considered a threat by Dems

Yeah, that’d do it for sure! Seeing as how the left doesn’t fear or dislike radical Islamist nutcases who suicide bomb and cut off heads, they’re more afraid of and hate conservative Christians who want to do such horrible things as put up Christmas Trees and Kreches.
Ryan says:

November 1, 2006 at 4:53 pm

LOL – good one ST
Merie says:

November 1, 2006 at 6:08 pm

Wow, this is typical, I was having a conversation with Baklava, but I am now being smeared by all. The report about creating more terrorist came from a White House Intelligence Committee Report this past September. Are you calling the White House “Leftist Returds”? Anyway, there were no weapons found in Iraq. Do more research and stop listening to Rush before you think you know the facts? Also, I am a Christian, which is why I hate killing.
Dave in CO says:

November 1, 2006 at 6:46 pm

Wow, this is typical, I was having a conversation with Baklava, but I am now being smeared by all.

No, Merie. You posted nonsense and falsehoods and were corrected. That isn’t a smear. What, just because you post something it has to be taken as gospel? You are an adult, right?

And you are misrepresenting what the Committee report said. Maybe you should read it instead of posting what you heard it said and then get back to us.

Interesting that you put “christian” and “hate” in the same sentence. Doesn’t sound like the brand of christian I know. But we should just take you at your word, right?
Severian says:

November 1, 2006 at 7:01 pm

Well, Merie, you’re wrong again. Over 500 chemical munitions have been found in Iraq that are still viable, we have reports from the Iraqi’s themselves about WMD material being transported to Syria before the war, and we’ve found biowarfare trailers and the documentation that proves they were being built in violation of the international restrictions on Iraq.

You have not managed to speak to one single thing that is true. The intel report you mentioned said a lot more than the fact that the Islamists are using Iraq as a recruiting tool, it correctly concluded that withdrawing (that is, cut and run, i.e. losing) would greatly embolden the Islamist terrorists, and that staying and winning would seriously cripple their credibility.

But that’s the facts, go ahead and believe whatever fantasy you want, just don’t expect us to line up to congratulate you for living in a fantasy world. It’s one thing to be ignorant, it’s another thing to act like you’re proud of it.
Karl says:

November 1, 2006 at 7:08 pm

Don’t forget the 500 TONS of yellow cake Uranium he had there too…
Lorica says:

November 1, 2006 at 7:08 pm

Merrie is a Chirstian and that is why he hates killing but is a Dem and must have no problem with the millions of abortions that have been the mainstay of the Dem platform for many years. Good attempt at a defense tho. – Lorica
Baklava says:

November 1, 2006 at 7:17 pm

Merie wrote, “The report about creating more terrorist came from a White House Intelligence Committee Report this past September.”

Can you tell us which paragraph in the report you are looking at? Or is it something that the drive-by legacy media wrote as a leak but wasn’t substantiated by the declassification fo the report?

Merie wrote incorrectly, “Anyway, there were no weapons found in Iraq.” There were “weapons”. There were even biological and chemical “weapons” and weapons that exceeded the range that was allowed by the 1991 agreement. There were not the amount of these weapons that could be classified as “stockpiles”. That is the issue. Clarity is king. Humanity’s struggle is against confusion. Misinformation doesn’t help your side in the debate. It provides for lack of due diligence. WHich is laziness which makes MUD.

Did you hate killing in WW2?
David S. says:

November 1, 2006 at 7:34 pm

Merrie
I recently read an article from tha Israeli newspaper “Debka Files” that bluntly stated you should not argue about the Iraqi conflict until you have researched the word “hadiths”, “sunna”, and “infidel”. I did the research and was deeply troubled by the results. I suggest you do the same, and hopefully learn from what you read. It truly is both eye opening and disturbing.
Merie says:

November 2, 2006 at 10:14 am

Talk about proud to be ignorant. You guys are talking about yourselves. I love to do research. Where do you get this stuff. I mean specifically. Just because you out number me doesn’t make you right. Oh yea and telling me that you think I’ve had abortions, isn’t smearing? Your brand of Christianty doesn’t sound like the one Jesus taught.
Baklava says:

November 2, 2006 at 10:43 am

No need for name calling Merie…. I’d agree that speculation as to you doing things is over the line.

Can you get back to answering the question though:
Can you tell us which paragraph in the report you are looking at? Or is it something that the drive-by legacy media wrote as a leak but wasn’t substantiated by the declassification fo the report?

I’m also interested in the answer to this question:
Did you hate killing in WW2?

One more. Can you cite for us which report said Iraq had “no” weapons (as you stated)? There were weapons. The debate is about the word used “stockpiles”. People want to know where the stockpiles were and are reluctant to use the word with some of their findings due to weapons degradation and smaller amounts.
Merie says:

November 2, 2006 at 12:05 pm

Thanks Baklava, They started the name calling not me.

Entire Intelligence Report: (See page 2)
LINK

We were attacked in World War II by the same folks we went to war against. That one apparently could not be avoided. Osama Bin L was in Alphganistan. But the president said, “I dont’t spend much time on him.” He also disbanded the office that was looking for him. It was Bin Laden’s Al Queda that attacked us.

Search for weapons called off 1-12-05

LINK

“Despite intensive searches, no banned Iraqi weapons were found after the fall of Saddam Hussein’s regime.” They did find degraded sarin and mustard gas dating back to pre-Gulf War. Nothing made since 1991.
LINK
Baklava says:

November 2, 2006 at 12:53 pm

Yes. But ST immediately told people to blog about the issues not the personalities.

Your first link didn’t work but I’ve seen the report. It’s conclusions aren’t what you wrote (my judgement). Maybe we comprehend differently but I’d like to know what paragraph brought you to your conclusion.

This is a Global War on Terror. It was NEVER a war against Afghanistan. It’s comprehending things differently here also because this has been said repeatedly about 100 times by this administrations. Additionally, there are over 100 different fronts on this war on terror. Seems liberals are opposed to many of them. SWIFT, Terrorist surveillance, beefed up borders, G’tmo detainees being held, on and on. It’s easy to play monday morning quarterback/president but I agree that this war has to be global. 9/11 for many gave us the realization that we can’t sit back and wait to be attacked. We need to be forward thinking. Disagreement with the 3+ year old decision to go to war (one front) in Iraq should be over. We are there. Now what do we do moving forward? Cause a humanitarian crisis by pulling out early? That would be the worst option. So… We are at war with who brought the war to us. Radical Islamofascists. Al Qaeda is in many countries. Al Qaeda is one group of Islamofascists. There are others… So, it is similar to WW2. The point with my raising WW2 is because you said you are against killing. So, sometimes you are for it? To place yourself as better than others with that kind of statement shows that that isn’t the issue when and if you were for winning the war in WW2.

THe same link you provided also included:

The report found that Iraq worked hard to cheat on United Nations-imposed sanctions and retain the capability to resume production of weapons of mass destruction at some time in the future.

And as Tony Blair said in the article, ““I can apologize for the information that turned out to be wrong,” Blair said. “But I can’t, sincerely at least, apologize for removing Saddam.””

Why won’t people like Tony or George apologize for removing Saddam? Because they feel that they are doing the world and the Iraqi people good. To continue on after 3+ years about the Iraq war decision is funny to me because there were many in COngress (many Democrats also) who voted for this action. I understand that many have changed their mind. But that does not make the argument for creating a humanitarian crisis by cutting and running or “redeploying”. Germany and Japan took 10 and 7 years to rebuild and insert a new government. We are on the 3rd year with Iraq. And liberals in this country seem to be giving aid and comfort to the enemy by making the “insurgents” feel that they are this close “” to making us pull out and give them the bloodbath they want. If they simply wanted us not to occupy the country they would simply stop fighting for a month or two and they would see us leave as we’ve stated as much. Their goals are not just to make us not occupy. Their goals are forming an Islamic Caliphate and their goals are clear. They are rising to defeat us in Iraq as THEY THEMSELVES (the Islamofascists) have said. This is not fantasy by Bush it is what they have said.

Your last link has this from Kay, “that his team found dozens of WMD-related program activities”

Intelligence isn’t perfect Merie. It is far from perfect. However, U.S., British, French, German and Russian intelligence agencies ALL thought that Iraq had WMD’s and Kerry, Madeliene Albright, Clinton, Gore, and Hillary all said so themselves and pre 2001 when Bush came into power. Some liberals have said that these liberals were convinced because of Bush’s lies but that is far from true because the liberals statements were as far back as 1998 and repeatedly. The WORLD (except for some), including each of the 5 country’s intelligence agencies above that I listed thought that Iraq had WMD’s.

Now 3+ years after an invasion it doesn’t make you look persuasive Merie that you harp on this. Because it’s not forward thinking. As if you Merie knew that Bush, Kerry, Gore, Clinton, Albright were all lying and the 5 major intelligence agencies had bunk intelligence. No. You didn’t know. Monday morning quarterbacking is fun but it doesn’t get us anywhere.

I say we need to finish the job. Liberals have been tar and feathering the phrase “stay the course” as if that meant our military isn’t changing tactics or acting dumb and doing nothing differently based on experience and things learned. That in itself is a slap in the face to our military.

Why does this Kerry quote matter? Because liberals seem to think that the generals who are on the ground don’t know how to request the proper amount of troops, change tactics, respond accordingly to the situation on the ground, etc. Some critics want more troops, some want less. Kerry wants more and less.

Additionally, Kerry has accused the troops generally about criminal acts more than once. Not just a singled out few but general criticism. He has referred to our troops as terrorizing Iraqi’s. His words are clear. He tries to then paint that on Bush as if it’s persuasive…. I’m done.
Lorica says:

November 2, 2006 at 1:03 pm

Merrie??? At what point did I say you had an abortion?? I write 2 sentences and somehow you get that I was smearing you?? I am only trying to point out the irony of your words. If that is smearing you, I apologize, but I think you are in error. – Lorica
Merie says:

November 2, 2006 at 2:30 pm

In case you don’t know what a smear is:

“You and your moonbat bretheren….
Someone who is that completely ignorant of reality
Merie, please tell us you don’t have children and will not have children. Well, given her propensity to parrot the traditional far leftist drivel, I’d say children, never, but probably proud to have had or planning to have several abortions”.

One thing I can agree with you on is: We comprehend differently.

Recent study taken in Iraq, said 655,000 (men, women, and children) Iraqis have died since we have been there. How is that acceptable? We have lost nearly 3,000 US service men and women. If that’s okay with you, either sign up or send someone you love there today! I disagree with killing except in self defense, i.e. WWII

Also, they don’t do what the Generals want either.

LINK
PCD says:

November 2, 2006 at 2:56 pm

Marie,

You are a far left wingnut. Even Liberals have debunked and decried that “study”. It is false propaganda. You are a fool repeating a fools ravings.
Baklava says:

November 2, 2006 at 2:58 pm

Merie, Iraq Body Count themselves have debunked the Lancet study.

Additionally, in order to achieve the 655,000 number, Lancet had to take on a death rate of 5.5 Pre invasion (with Saddam in power and sanctions going on and starvation going on). 5.5 is lower than the Eurpean Union (by 50%), the Unites States, and all of the countries in the Middle East. It is LAUGHABLE. Many have debunked it and it only takes common sense. You would have to defend the 5.5 figure. The high number of 13.5 post Saddam is not even that high. There are European countries that are well over 10 and if you do a methodology in that fashion you are prone to be categorized as propagandists (right before an election this Lancet study came out).

Iraq Body Count was previously thought to be giving inflated numbers yet they have tore it to shreds. See their many pages of refutation.

Merie asked, “How is that acceptable?”

How is it acceptable to disseminate propoganda that isn’t true and embolden the enemy?

Merie stated, “We have lost nearly 3,000 US service men and women.”

Should we have stopped WW2 after 3 weeks? Every service man/woman lost is a tragedy. But it is not a reason to end our quest for security. The small island of Iwo Jima we lost 25,000 Marines. Playing the trump card as if you care more for our men and women is not persuasive because I am not for not finishing the job and causing a humanitarian crisis. I care about lives to and I don’t want our service men to have died in vain. Imagine those lives lost and Iraq in the hands of brutal Islamofascists again. What would it have been for? The 25,000 Marines… they helped establish an airbase that according to experts saved 25,000 future lives because of supplies, bombing raids from that base and shortening WW2. A war is successful if the objective is acheieved – it is not unsuccessful due to lives lost. Lost lives are a tragedy and I know you wish as well as I that utopia existed and wars did not exist but it does nothing for the discussion to act like the war should not go on because of a number. Who is right versus who is wrong. What will be the consequences of pulling out. Many say a humanitarian crisis. You can’t ignore this speculation.

Your link proved my point about the generals on the ground. The media has clearly tried to get quotes from RETIRED generals and then make confused liberals feel that Donald Rumsfeld or Bush isn’t listening to the generals. But everyone who is confused… please be clear…. Bush has said repeatedly to the generals in the theater that he will give them what they want. The generals have asked for more troops and levels of troops have fluctuated by 40,000 in this last year.

Playing armchair quarterback/president doesn’t advance the debate it only makes your argument look weak. Honestly.
Merie says:

November 2, 2006 at 5:30 pm

PCD, You are a far right wingnut. The Lancet study has not been debunked others have simply given their own numbers. You are a fool repeating a fools ravings. Here’s a link to lancet for the full study.
LINK

Baklava, Once again we were attacked in WWII. The enemy is emboldend by us attacking a country who never did anything to us. Your right wing talking points is the propaganda. Did you hear the Generals who testified under oath in the Senate last month? Look it up yourself and twist it to your heart’s desire.
Baklava says:

November 2, 2006 at 6:17 pm

You ignored the Iraq Body Count debunking Merie. Why did you? Are they irreputable?

Why do you want to believe the 655,000 number as opposed to the Iraq Body Count number that used to be disputed? People have said that the real numbers are at least 30% lower than the Iraq Body Count numbers and then boom… we get a number that is 1200% higher…

We were attacked on 9/11. NOw we are in a Global War on Terror. The enemy is in 40+ countries and you just need to do better at helping us succeed in the GWOT instead of giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

I don’t twist. I state facts and base my opinions on facts.

Just for grins, please tell us who said what at the Senate last month. Thanks…
Lorica says:

November 2, 2006 at 8:11 pm

My Apologies Merie, I did not see where someone posted that. – Lorica
Lorica says:

November 2, 2006 at 8:27 pm

I won’t even speak to that Iraq body count study. Once I found out that the man who authored the study was running for a Democrat Congressional seat, I knew it was bogus. – Lorica
Lorica says:

November 2, 2006 at 8:37 pm

Just in case there is a need:

LINK
Merie says:

November 3, 2006 at 11:15 am

Thanks Lorica.

Baklava, I don’t want to believe that the death toll in Iraq has been even .0001 as high as stated in the Lancet or Iraq Body Count. Lancet has been esteemed for it’s estimates in other countries using the same methods. Either way, we still lose. We were supposed to be winning hearts and minds in Iraq. Instead they are dying at our hands and during what has deteriorated into a civil war. We need to get out. We don’t even know who the enemy is.

You don’t bring Democracy at the butt of a gun.I know you will never believe this, but we had Saddam blocked from doing anything. I have given you several links which, yes, you have twisted. Now it’s time for you to tell me where you get your info. Like I said look up the information on what the Generals testified to in the Senate if you want to know. You are truly confused if you believe the Generals have been listened to.
Baklava says:

November 3, 2006 at 11:55 am

Merie wrote, “Lancet has been esteemed for it’s estimates”

Esteemed for choosing a rate of 5.5 which is half of the EU, much less than the US and less than all countries in the Middle East pre 2003? It’s smoke and mirrors that has you believing because you must want to believe it even if you say you don’t want to. Only way to believe it is if you want to. There is so much refutation out there from over 20 scholars and very esteemed people.

Merie wrote, “We were supposed to be winning hearts and minds in Iraq.”

We won’t win the hearts and minds of Islamofascists. They must be defeated. But there are 12 provinces in Iraq which are much less in conflict. They understand what is at stake. The proud purple fingers represent their desire. A humanitarian crisis (by redeployment of our troops) would be the OPPOSITE of winning hearts and minds. They would never forgive us for a bloodbath due to “redeployment”.

Merie wrote, “We need to get out. ”

I understand you have “good intentions”. Good intentions do not make good results. Good policy or solutions do. It is believed by many including myself that “getting out” will lead to a bloodbath and a humanitarian crisis. That would be the opposite result of your good intentions. It’s like the philosophy of teaching a man to fish rather than giving him fish. Both are born of love. But one has better results. Teaching a man to fish will bring him to self sufficiency which will enable him to give his knowledge of knowing how to fish to others also. Those who are not able-bodies will have more knowledgable people out there with the ability to give fish.

Merie wrote incorrectly, “You don’t bring Democracy at the butt of a gun.”

I hate to keep going back to WW2 but it’s the PRIME example of your statement being incorrect. Just my opinion. Japan and Germany were brought to democracy through warfare. They were militarily defeated and then occupied for 7 and 10 years while a government was installed. You continue to make statements not supported by fact, which is ok but I would suspect you’d learn after discussion instead of insisting on the same set of premises.

Merie wrote, “I know you will never believe this, but we had Saddam blocked from doing anything.”

I guess you didn’t hear about Oil for Food. France and Germany and Russia getting payola for helping Iraq and Iraq was using money for weapons and not just food. Of course those countries were against the war. That would erase their payola. They didn’t have pristine motives did they. Of course this news didn’t neatly fit into the drive-by legacy media’s agenda so it got reported but very lightly and with whitewash.

Merie wrote, “Like I said look up the information on what the Generals testified to in the Senate if you want to know. You are truly confused if you believe the Generals have been listened to.”

You are the one making the inaccurate accusation. I am not confused. I know that the generals have asked for things and received them. They asked for 40,000 more troops during Iraqi elections and got them. Retired generals are irrelevant and are part of the mud/confusion that enable you to make the inaccurate accusation that you are making. I know it’s easy to be judgmental and mud/confusion ads to the ability to be judgmental. But due diligence and not being lazy requires you to stop making inaccurate accusations if you learn that they are inaccurate. Your thoughts are fueled by pieces from journalists due to retired generals and politicians. Some want more troops, some want less “targets” (their word) on the ground. It’s easy to be monday morning quarterback/president but Bush has left it to the military to decide, change tactics, figure out they way to win. The key is that we are not leaving until the job is done or a Democrat controlled White House or Congress makes us leave before the job is done (causing what many believe would be a humanitarian crisis).

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