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Latest speculation on Plamegate leak
With the revelation earlier this week that Washington Post Assistant Managing Editor Bob Woodward learned of Valerie Plame’s identity about a month before Robert Novak’s now-infamous column in which he mentioned Plame’s name, the speculation is on as to who Woodward’s source was.
Unlike former NYTimes reporter Judith Miller and Time magazine correspondent Matt Cooper, Woodward’s source has not signed a waiver allowing Woodward to reveal his name publicly. Today, Evan Thomas and Michael Isikoff from Newsweek speculate that Woodward’s source is former deputy secretary of State Richard Armitage (emphasis added by me):
So who is Novak’s source—and Woodward’s source—and why will his identity take the wind out of the brewing storm? One by one last week, a parade of current and former senior officials, including the CIA’s George Tenet and national-security adviser Stephen Hadley, denied being the source. A conspicuous exception was former deputy secretary of State Richard Armitage, whose office would only say, “We’re not commenting.” He was one of a handful of top officials who had access to the information. He is an old source and friend of Woodward’s, and he fits Novak’s description of his source as “not a partisan gunslinger.” Woodward has indicated that he knows the identity of Novak’s source, which further suggests his source and Novak’s were one and the same.
If Armitage was the original leaker, that undercuts the argument that outing Plame was a plot by the hard-liners in the veep’s office to “out” Plame. Armitage was, if anything, a foe of the neocons who did not want to go to war in Iraq. He had no motive to discredit Wilson. On “Larry King Live” last month, Woodward was dismissive of the special prosecutor’s investigation, suggesting that the original leak was not the result of a “smear campaign” but rather a “kind of gossip, as chatter … I don’t see an underlying crime here.”
That’s probably because the more information comes out about this, the more it’s painfully obvious that indeed, there was no underlying crime. It is not a crime to try and discredit a political opponent, and it’s very clear the more you read about this case that Valerie Plame’s name was mentioned not to intentionally put her or her family in danger, but to discredit Joe Wilson as if to say “well, Wilson didn’t exactly come highly recommended. His wife, who works at the CIA in as an operative on WMD, suggested him for the trip.” There it is. Nothing more, nothing less.
Read more at Tom Maguire’s, where he is, as usual, on the case.
Update: Washington Post ombudsman Deborah Howell has rebuked Bob Woodward for being dismissive about the investigation for so long without telling anyone of his own involvement.
Update II: Welcome, Newsweek readers!
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- Plamegate: Woodward testifies
- Valerie Plame’s status was ‘covert’?
- Did Joe Wilson out his own wife?
- Fired up!
- Joe Wilson is a liar
- More from the “Joe Wilson is a liar” file
- Plamegate: Has perception become reality?
- Rove and Novak: Pieces falling into place
- Plamegate: a retrospective
- MSM on Nadagate: A miserable failure
- Indictments coming this week in Plamegate scandal?
- Press fawns over Fitzgerald, but Starr was part of the VRWC
- Plamegate predictions
- Libby to Be Charged in CIA Leak Probe
- Scooter Libby and Plamegate: My thoughts
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Sister Toldjah,
If revealing Valerie Plame’s identity wasn’t a crime and didn’t harm national security, why didn’t Karl Rove and Scooter Libby come right on out and admit they did it at the time it happened, instead of waiting for an independent prosecutor to spend two years investigating it? Why did Scooter Libby let a reporter sit in jail for 85 days instead of allowing her to release his name if there was nothing wrong with what he did?
Or dismiss the charges against Libby?
As Fitzgerald said – Libby was the first in the chain of phone calls. Not true Fitzgerald! Looks like you’ve lied in your own investigation now that Woodward spoke.
re. stackja’s comment (”why not put Woodward in prison”), that should be obvious: because… he’s Bob Woodward and he brought down that evil evil man, Nixon. Ergo he is a higher order of liberal being who should not be touched by a sting operation set up to try and snag another Republican president. (Sarcasm off.)
Clinton’s blow-job wasn’t a crime but, his lying about it was. The crime here are the lies told to sell the war in Iraq to the American public. Those are war crimes, not blow-job crimes. Peace
Sister and other- If I am repeating myself I apologise. I think a key piece of this is the Vanity Fare article that Wilson participated in. Forget the pictures, it was the words of the author setting up the scene of the crime. According to the author, while doing his research, it became obvious to him, that people were staring at him and wondering why he was asking them these silly questions. Her identity was no secret. Everyone that was anyone knew who she was but it wasn’t new news. The neighbors said they knew, but the FBI didn’t visit them until 2 days before the indictment was handed down on Libby. A 14 month investigation on the leak of a CIA agent and the FBI doesn’t visit the neighborhood until 2 days before the indictments are read?
Steve wrote, “The crime here are the lies told to sell the war in Iraq to the American public
Even the nuanced Brian won’t go this far Steve!
Plus, I’ve asked you and you FAIL to tell us what was the lie? Please give us the quote from Dubya that was the “lie”.
Steve goes on further to relay his shallow understanding by saying, “Those are war crimes.
Please relay to us what war crime was broken. We’ll be glad to read what you write.
You aren’t peaceful. You are full of non truths and hateful rhetoric. If it were up to you Saddam would still be in power and the hundreds of thousands of people would still be being killed for opposing him and the 24 million people would still be without much medicine and food.
It’s ok to say you are against War. But when you go off with the hateful inaccurate accusations… it adds nothing to the debate but misunderstandings that have to be cleared up.
One more thing… I’m not a prude at all but something about liberals that gives them a comfortable feeling about writing “bl–j–” in posts.
1) If you think it was just about sex, then say so. According to the Starr report it was about cigars, and many more acts besides just fornication. So just say sex with a suboordinate.
2) The case was more than that thought. It was about a woman’s civil rights. Bill committed purjery and had his law license taken away due to his obstruction of justice and perjury. I fully understand that you liberals want to characterize the civil rights trial as being about sex but the Petitioner in the trial didn’t have sex with Bill.
Think about the legacy you are leaving. Their may be high school students or middle school students who are learning about things and coming to blogs.
The FUNNY thing is that there are things I’ve searched for and within the first 10 results was Sister’s site in Google.
Her site can be very informative and you liberals who continue this pattern can be seen by people who will be voting.
This includes you Steve. Do you really think that your accusations of “war crimes” due to a “lie” that you won’t even give us the quote for is CONVINCING anyone?
Baklava,
If steve had his way, all the Jews in Israel would be pushed into the sea. He absolutely hates Israel, and it spills out when steve gets on his anti-America, anti-Israel roll.
PCD, I’m pro-life are you? Baklava, as Pontius Pilate asked Christ,”What is truth?”. Either of you care to respond? Peace
Steve, I’m pro-life. That is life for the INNOCENT. I don’t brook terrorists OR THEIR SUPPORTERS. I don’t think convicted Killers should live. To cut you off, George Bush is not a killer. I think you are, though, steve. I think you want every Israeli dead to appease your Islamofascist friends.
Is truth you watching my daughters get hurt/killed while you just “use your words” to get the evil person to stop hurting/killing my daughters? At some point you either use force or you are COMPLICIT!
Steve, Would you call me a criminal because I used force to stop an evil person from hurting/killing my daughters?
Would you use the argument “I’m pro life” against someone that thinks pacificism is not a way to stop evil from hurting their daughters?
Your arguments need a LOT of work. They are extreme in nature. In one you either had pull out “now” or stay “forever”. Who is advocating stay “forever”. And only 1% of your representatives want to pull out “now”. To LABEL that 99% as being war criminals or war mongerers does NOT convince anyone that you are morally superior or have “truth”. 
PCD wrote, “I think you want every Israeli dead to appease your Islamofascist friends.
We can’t speak to what Steve wants.
If he’s written something about wanting Israel terminated then that’s not speculation. Otherwise we’ve got plenty to say about his “arguments” or lack therof.
Thou shalt not kill. Is that extreme? If so than so am I. Peace
Is that thou shall not kill or thou shall not commit murder??
The 10 commandments are “law”?
Are the 403 Representatives who voted NOT to pull the troops out “extreme” or breaking the law?
Are you better than us all Steve?
Do you know there is evil out there Steve? I’ve decided that if I meet you on the street and see some evil people hurting/killing you I won’t use force to stop them. BECAUSE….if I did I would be doing something against your principle.
Kobayashi Maru
He’s Bob Woodward and he brought down that good man, Nixon. Ergo he is a lower order of human being who should be imprisoned for the sting operation he helped set up to try and snag another Republican president.
Baklava,
Fitzgerald didn’t say Libby was the first in a chain of phone calls. He said, “Mr. Libby was the first official known to have told a reporter when he talked to Judith Miller in June of 2003 about Valerie Wilson”. This was true at the time he said it.
Steve, what are you talking about with “thou shalt not kill”? Abortion or the Iraq war?
1st I did not author the 10 Commandments, that was God to Moses. Thou shalt not kill, is the accepted form because it is universally understood and is contained in the Torah,Bible and Koran as Thou shalt not kill. That means no killing as in war or abortion or the death penalty. Thou shalt not kill. No exceptions. No discussion. Peace
Brian wrote, “This was true at the time he said it.
I’m sorry. He manipulated the information. Or lied or manipulated. Or… I know he misrepresented the information presented to him. Here’s one… There was other evidence and he ignored it. He cherry picked information. Oh. He pressured people to get the answers he wanted. Oh. Oh. He only gave the grand jury the intel.. I mean information he wanted them to see. Let’s see.. There were people like Victoria Toensing (an expert in the field) who he didn’t listen to and ignored.
So when someone wants to “kill the infidel” steve do you stand by and watch and “use your words” or do you watch the killing.. or do you try to stop the killing ?
I’ve been to 5 years of Religous school and I believe that your interpretation of the 10 commandments is shallow. It is made for children’s books.
One thing is clear. You are saying that EVERY American president in U.S History is going to hell (or a war criminal – I can’t figure out which because you aren’t making coherent arguments.) We might as well not have a “commander in chief” or national defense.
Are you in favor of Democrats or Republicans steve?
Sister Toldjah/Steve,
The Bible clearly distinguishes between killing a person and killing a fetus. In the Bible, the penalty for striking a pregnant woman and killing her is death. The penalty for striking a pregnant woman and causing a miscarriage is a fine.
Baklava,
Did Fitzgerald pressure Scooter Libby to lie in front of a grand jury?
So Steve when God told Joshua to completely destroy the giants that were in the promised land, was that killing?? Murder is universally understood too. Go look at the first murder, of Cain murdering his brother Abel. – Lorica
Brian, you cause a miscarriage in many states and you will face a manslaughter if not a degree of murder charge.
Brian, stop playing word games. A pregnant woman has a baby, a human being. There isn’t anyother outcome. You are being a fool fooling only himself with sophmoric logic to baum you conscience, if you have one.
I suppose that if God spoke to me about killing giants in the promised land, I’d go do it. After I checked my medication levels. Peace
Brian said Fitzgerald didn’t say Libby was the first in a chain of phone calls. He said, “Mr. Libby was the first official known to have told a reporter when he talked to Judith Miller in June of 2003 about Valerie Wilson”. This was true at the time he said it.
According to Woodward, because of what Fitzgerald said, implying that Scooter was the 1st to say it, he and his source felt obligated to go to the SP. (don’t have CNN transcript to back up that yet as it hasn’t been released. It will be on Kings site later today as Woodward was just on last night)
Says SteveThe Bible clearly distinguishes between killing a person and killing a fetus. In the Bible, the penalty for striking a pregnant woman and killing her is death. The penalty for striking a pregnant woman and causing a miscarriage is a fine.
Where in the world do you come up with this?
OPPS above should have been addressed to Brian not Steve
steve, If God spoke to you and said go to a mall and start shooting?
Brian asked, “Did Fitzgerald pressure Scooter Libby to lie in front of a grand jury?
That’s the accusation. He is now going to present his case. Conviction comes later…
I don’t care one way or another Mr. Deflector about Libby. I made sure to note that Mr. Fitzgerald did all of the following:
He manipulated the information. Or lied or manipulated. Or… I know he misrepresented the information presented to him. Here’s one… There was other evidence and he ignored it. He cherry picked information. Oh. He pressured people to get the answers he wanted. Oh. Oh. He only gave the grand jury the intel.. I mean information he wanted them to see. Let’s see.. There were people like Victoria Toensing (an expert in the field) who he didn’t listen to and ignored.
Why do you think he acted perfectly and didn’t make any mistakes? — (little Brian tactic there)…
Well Steve that shows the big difference between you and Joshua. Joshua a man of God did what God said to do. Inspite of advance years, Joshua was over 80 years old when he led the people into the promised land. He was still victorious, he didn’t have to “check his Meds”. Peace – Lorica
Lorica,I suspect that that is not the only difference. As for the rest, you all need to become familiar with the difference between the “Christ” and the “Peacemaker”. One of Christ’s tasks was to seperate the Old and the New Testament. The New included nothing of the Old except for the 10 Commandments and the genealogy. Wasn’t Abraham also a blood relative of both Christ and Mohammad? Peace
Christ did not seperate the Old and New testament. What He did do is complete the Old Testament. Also since so much prophecy of the Old Testament has not come to pass, it should not be so lightly tossed out. All things find will find fulfilment in Jesus Christ. That includes the Old Testament.
Yes I am well aware of the fact that both Arabs and Jews find their blood lines thru Abraham, why do you think they hate each other so much?? I don’t in anyway know how this has to do with the discussion on hand. It really does not make any sense to whether or not there was another leak in the Plamegate leak investigation tho. – Lorica
Lorica,
steve is trying to hide his hate of Israel and love of the terrorists that want to push all the Jews into the sea that they haven’t killed yet.
I harbor hate for no one, if I did I would not counsel Peace. Those that live in the darkness assign false attributes. Peace
LOL I know PCD, he is definately trying to hide something. When in a discussion with him it is like point/counterpoint with 2 different points being discussed. You ask him a question about murder, and get an answer about Christ. On another post he said something about pitchforks and torches to be used on Christians then used the “peace” close. I called him on it, did he reply…. Nope, just like a good hypocrite. His logic grows so tiresome when it bounces around the extremist left ideologes. You see PCD this scripture truly does describe people like Steve.
They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. “Peace, peace,” they say, when there is no peace.
You see PCD the first part of this in Jeremiah has become a prevailing attitude in the peace movement. I continue to find that the conservative movement is especially concerned with all sides of this rubix cube. We are also the ones with a hope of a future. I don’t get a hope in anything the left does these days, and that PCD is just tragic. – Lorica
Pam,
Exodus 21:22-23: When men fight and one of them pushes a pregnant woman and a miscarriage results, but no other damage ensues, the one responsible shall be fined according as the woman’s husband many exact from him, the payment to be based on reckoning. But if other damage ensues, the penalty shall be life for life
Baklava,
The facts are that Libby said one thing and the records show something completely different.
If you think Fitzgerald did all of the things you accuse him of, then why don’t you bring charges against him?
Why don’t you against Bush? I used your words and other liberals words that are used against Bush against Fitzgerald. ‘Twas easy as Fitzgerald actually did those things.
He:
He manipulated the information. Or lied or manipulated. Or… I know he misrepresented the information presented to him. Here’s one… There was other evidence and he ignored it. He cherry picked information. Oh. He pressured people to get the answers he wanted. Oh. Oh. He only gave the grand jury the intel.. I mean information he wanted them to see. Let’s see.. There were people like Victoria Toensing (an expert in the field) who he didn’t listen to and ignored.
Bad prosecutor! He should be impea.. I mean indicted! The facts are different than he laid out!
Steve, you are a false light spreading the false light of Satan.
PCD, be careful, your soul is in jeopardy. I’ll pray that you see the face of God before your judgement grows. Peace
steve, it is you bearing false witness. You do so daily here and elsewhere on the Internet. Look to the log in your own eye.
False witness? Please explain. Peace
I am abit lost at how PCD’s soul is in jeopardy Steve?? Just because he judged you harshly?? I don’t think that his soul is in jeopardy over that. Unless you are the Christ reincarnate?? You Sir judge all “neo-Cons” harshly. You judge God’s Chosen people harshly. My Dad would say to you: Isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black?? Seems to me by the standard you set you are both in jeopardy. Thankfully it is the standard set by Jesus that we must measure up to, and since we can’t, he covers us before judgement comes. – Lorica
You know what sorta grabs me is why didn’t Woodward say something about this prior to now. Do these people in the MSM just do things for effect. Every 30 years do we drag Woodward out to have a deep throat moment?? I don’t know, I really think this Plamegate is over blown, and I still point to Wilson himself for half of the problem. But I am more than willing to be wrong with this. I think there are bigger fish out there in all actuallity. – Lorica (again)
steve, you are lying when you say you don’t hate the Israelis. You hate them as much as you hate Republicans.
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Why not put Woodward in prison?
Sister,
Just linked this post in the Houston Chronicle’s new Forum section.
Here’s a link below to the section, but you have to register to get in, this is a brand-new make-over of the Chron online version, and the section and this type of access are absolutely new and just started Saturday, so posting is light. However, there have been 167 views.
It looks like I may have been the second human being to post a comment and the second or third public member to start a thread there.
It also looks like you are the second blogger after Powerline to ever be cited and linked in these Forums in a comment or post. (As the Chron online gets over a million hits a day, I would imagine these Forums will get some significant play as they build up.)
I know there’s not really enough there to interest you at this point, but if you want to register for kicks, go to this page and click on “Politics” under “Speak Up in our Forums”, upper mid left column below Blogwatch (which is dedicated to area and Texas blogs right now):