Steve Verdon at Outside the Beltway has an excellent post up regarding the American public’s perception of the Iraq war and how today’s public doesn’t seem to have the will to win that people who supported past wars did, thanks to today’s 24-7 media newscast which broadcasts every facet of the war almost to the point that the military can’t fight it without getting caught in the middle of an administration who wants to fight this war as it needs to be, versus the opposition, who wants to micromanage it.
Defeatist Democrats like Howard Dean, who said yesterday that the “idea that we’re going to win the war in Iraq is an idea which is just plain wrong,” feed into that perception. Verdon writes:
Frankly, the Democrats tactic of saying we can’t win in Iraq strikes me as precisely the wrong approach to the problem. If the Democrats “win” on this one the result is that we lose. We lose in Iraq and we quite possibly degrad our ability to prosecute the war on terrorism in other parts of the world. Maybe that is what the Democratic party leadership wants, but it doesn’t look like a very good strategy for making the U.S. safer…which ironically is one of the Democrats complaints about invading Iraq in the first place.
Precisely.
Related Toldjah So posts:
- Dems and media determined to ignore Iraq progress
- The undermining of this war
- A powerful reminder of why we must never waver
- MoveOn.org pulls anti-war ad
- Democrats won’t want to hear this but…
- Cheney’s smackdown speech to the American Enterprise Institute
- Dem House Representative calls for immediate troop withdrawal
All I keep thinking about is the fact that the left thinks they are winning with abortion and Vietnam on their side. They kind of go hand in hand don’t they?
Comment by Pam @ 12/6/2005 - 10:14 am
Over at Michelle Malkin’s blog, there is a story where a school child sent a soldier at Walter Reed one of the most disgusting, anti-American, Hate the troops cards I’ve ever seen.
I haven’t seen where little Miguel, his teacher, principal, and school district have been challenged on this, but it should be and more publicized than it is.
LINK
Comment by PCD @ 12/6/2005 - 10:33 am
iraq is a sewer basically. is progress being made sure. can it still become a functioning democratic state?sure. but in no way is it going smoothly. when you stay in for dinner because you don’t want some fanatic blowing his/her self up at the resturant it really is screaming room for improvement.that’s how i see it
Comment by tommy in nyc @ 12/6/2005 - 10:49 am
So tommy, you want them blowing up the Russian Tea Room instead? You want to fight the Islamofascists here instead of in Afghanistan and Iraq?
Comment by PCD @ 12/6/2005 - 11:20 am
Tommy in NYC wrote, “iraq is a sewer basically
NYC is a sewer basically. Was progress being made under Guliani? Sure.
Tommy wrote, “blowing his/her self up at the resturant it really is screaming room for improvement.
There are the insane/illogical people causing harm all over the place…. Environuts spiking trees and injuring workers and mailing packages that bomb the recipient… Palestinians bombing weddings and cafe’s… enviro’s torching expensive auto’s and houses. And hm. yep I’d say that’s “screaming” that there’s “room” for improvement…
The question Tommy is what is the SOLUTION for improvement. The left wants to have it both ways. Increase the amount of troops… Decrease the amount of troops… Pull out… Get more international involvement… The irrational/illogical left can only criticize but not SIT AND LISTEN to REASON.
President Bush has given the generals the amount of troops THEY wanted. Just this past few months troop levels were increased from 130,000 to 160,000 because the officers in the field thought it’d be wise for the voting. The voting happened pretty well. I’d say take the politics out of the equation and keep giving the generals what they want until the job is done. The left says NO we should criticize and find generals who AREN’T in the field who have a different opinion. In a time of war Tommy… you have no point. In the beginning of my post I pointed out how silly your argument is.
War isn’t pretty and it seems that your ranting isn’t very pursuasive, nor is it relevant.
Comment by Baklava @ 12/6/2005 - 12:25 pm
Bak’s baaaaaaaaack
Comment by Sister Toldjah @ 12/6/2005 - 12:31 pm
baklavva we’ll skip the inital invasion,wmd,immiment threat argurement. as colin powell said with his pottery barn statement we bought iraq. it really is a fair question to wonder if the u.s.a. will put up these militia’s running around commiting human-rights abuses but at the same time they are actually providing a solution to thwe security problem. as time goes on the situation in iraq will get clearer for better or worse. to me at this point i think all of the different factions in iraq can only seem to agree to disagree.
Comment by tommy in nyc @ 12/6/2005 - 1:03 pm
tommy- any place in the M.E. is a hotbed for a homicide bomber. What is it that will be accomplished by removing our troops? They will still strap bombs on and kill.
Comment by Pam @ 12/6/2005 - 1:09 pm
tommy, I see you can’t answer a straighforward question. Can you do anything but repeat DNC/DU/Daily Krap talking points?
Comment by PCD @ 12/6/2005 - 1:29 pm
saddam hussein had nothing to do with 9/11 pcd nothing. is he an enemy of the u.s.a. you bet. but i wouldn’t go so far to say he was an imminent one. and as far as blowing up the russian tea room of course not man. but people need to realize that terrorists follow their own scheldule regardless of what’s happening in iraq. if bin laden is going to strike he will period. no matter how the conflict in iraq is going
Comment by tommy in nyc @ 12/6/2005 - 1:55 pm
Tommy,
Directly Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, but he did support terrorists and his air force did fire exocet missles into the USS Stark, or did you forget that? Saddam also harbored Abu Nidal, the terrorist.
While terrorists follow their own schedule, right now their dance card is taken up in Iraq and Afghanistan. We also may need to pay a military visit to Iran because of their Nuke program and they do fund, arm, facilitate terrorist in Iraq, and trouble makers like Al Sadr.
If you are looking for perfection, fugheddaboudit. No war has ever gone according to plan.
Comment by PCD @ 12/6/2005 - 2:32 pm
Tommy very funnily wrote, “saddam hussein had nothing to do with 9/11 pcd nothing”
This is the statement by the left that proves the person uttering the phrase has NO reading comprehension. WHO Tommy claimed that “saddam hussein had [something] to do with 9/11″?. Your question implies that someone said it. Nobody has said it except for the left CLAIMING that someone said it.
This is a Global WAR on Terror and it just seems that you disagree with us being in Iraq. Who should we have gone to war with Tommy? 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia not Afghanistan. THis is a global war on terror and the CRUCIAL point that leftists miss (I hope you don’t miss it this time) is - WE cannot WAIT for another 9/11. We need to take this war on the offense. We aren’t going to treat each bombing as a “law enforcement” action or “negotiate” with those groups who backed the operation. You don’t negotiate with the Islamofacists of the world. THAT is the lesson conservatives learned from 9/11 but leftists (unlike Lieberman, Ed Koch, Zell Miller) refuse to learn and continue to show America why they cannot be in a position of providing for America’s national defense again.
While Bush’s war has been imperfect - for instance not sealing the border - you sure as heck aren’t gonna get the border sealed from leftists. You should see the leftist legislature out here in CA. They are trying to pass law after law making things easier for “illegal” immigrants and law after law giving public benefits and in-state tuitions, etc. Doctors without borders is leftist. ANSWER who wants no borders is leftist. The groups opposing the minutemen are leftist. You aren’t going to get a more perfect war from leftists.
War is awful but the left have NO points as far as I’ve seen. Including yourself in your posts Tommy.. Again. Nobody but the left has uttered the phrase Saddam wasn’t responsible for 9/11 (duh).
(I couldn’t believe John Kerry and John Edwards uttered the phrase during the debates…)
Comment by Baklava @ 12/6/2005 - 2:43 pm
ST wrote, “Bak’s baaaaaaaaack”
Oh yeah.
Comment by Baklava @ 12/6/2005 - 2:56 pm
Bak,
Saddam Hussein was a bery large cotributor to ANSWER and had hired Ramsey Clark as an official lobbyist to the US government from way back to the USS Stark incident.
Comment by PCD @ 12/6/2005 - 3:58 pm
PCD said, “While terrorists follow their own schedule, right now their dance card is taken up in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
Most people in Madrid and London would disagree with you on this.
PCD said “If you are looking for perfection, fugheddaboudit. No war has ever gone according to plan.”
The 1967 war between Israel and the Arab countries pretty much went according to plan (for Israel). The 1991 Gulf war pretty much went according to plan.
Comment by Brian @ 12/8/2005 - 11:00 pm
Baklava said, “This is a Global WAR on Terror and it just seems that you disagree with us being in Iraq. Who should we have gone to war with Tommy? 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia not Afghanistan. THis is a global war on terror and the CRUCIAL point that leftists miss (I hope you don’t miss it this time) is - WE cannot WAIT for another 9/11. We need to take this war on the offense. We aren’t going to treat each bombing as a “law enforcement” action or “negotiate” with those groups who backed the operation.”
Nobody is saying we should treat each bombing as a “law enforcement” action or “negotiate” with those groups who backed the operation.”. All you are doing is repeating Conservative lies. After 9/11, the country overwhelmingly supported going to war in Afghanistan against the Taliban and the terrorists responsible for the attack. I don’t know of a single member of Congress who was opposed to the war in Afghanistan, from the most liberal to the most conservative.
Baklava said, “While Bush’s war has been imperfect - for instance not sealing the border - you sure as heck aren’t gonna get the border sealed from leftists. You should see the leftist legislature out here in CA. They are trying to pass law after law making things easier for “illegal” immigrants and law after law giving public benefits and in-state tuitions, etc. Doctors without borders is leftist. ANSWER who wants no borders is leftist. The groups opposing the minutemen are leftist.”
The federal government is responsible for protecting our borders, not the state government. Conservatives are the ones who control the federal government, not leftists. What has the conservative president or the conservative Congress done to make our borders more secure?
Baklava said, “You aren’t going to get a more perfect war from leftists.”
It’s hard to imagine anyone doing much worse than Bush.
Comment by Brian @ 12/8/2005 - 11:04 pm