Jeff Goldstein has some strong words for the jerks who splashed Michelle Malkin’s home address, home photos, and maps of how to get to her house on their blogs in apparent retaliation for her posting the email addresses and phone numbers of SAW (Students Against War) - the group who were behind the recent nasty anti-military recruiting protest where military recruiters, as a result, were forced into leaving a job fair being held at UC Santa Cruz. Mind you, the email addresses and phone numbers of the SAW members in question were made public by SAW themselves in a press release, which Michelle noted in an earlier post here (see also here). Goldstein writes:
Whether or not you care for Michelle Malkin’s political positions, you should be honest enough to admit that this crusade to try to intimidate her and her family—a crusade being waged by mostly anonymous cowards who no person in the blogosphere, left OR right, should encourage or countenance—is both disgraceful and, in the long run, dangerous. Not only that, but the pretext upon which it is based—the reprinting of a press release (which last I checked was INTENDED to be disseminated, and was in fact, as of yesterday, still available in its entirety on a number of leftwing sites)—is so laughable as to be insulting to anyone with even a spark of electricity traveling across his or her grey matter.
So. I am now calling for the very public condemnation and ostracizing of those who would post satellite photos and personal addresses of a their political opponents on the web. I am also calling for the public condemnation and ostracizing of those hyperpartisan bloggers / media figures who condone or applaud such actions.
Count me in.
Check out Michelle’s response to what those on the unhinged left are trying to do. You go girl.
The unhinged hardcore lefties who engage sick stuff like this have a chillingly unhealthy obsession with trying to silence popular righty bloggers they don’t like, don’t they?
Basic human decency and a mutual respect for the right of the voices on the other side of the aisle to speak is just a little bit too much to ask from some people, I guess.
The original DU thread which contained the information is no longer up but Ankle Biting Pundits has posted a note from someone who alerted them to the thread earlier Wednesday:
All of Michelle Malkin’s personal info–name, address, phone–and an remarkable array of aerial photos of her house were deliberately published on Democratic Underground early this morning. Incredibly, they included detailed pics of her house, her street etc.–all helpfully circled in graduated photos that showed her entire subdivision right up to her front door. I have the original post if you would like to see it.
It’s no longer up on DU, but it was for about a half-hour this morning. If you need it, let me know. This was done in ‘retaliation’ for her publishing the names and addys of the military recruiter protestors at Santa Clara/Cruz? University several days ago (even though she put up several notices IN ADVANCE about how to handle the issue if you didn’t want your info published. Their info was also available at several other websites (and still is); they are singling out MM simply because they hate her. I cannot print the names on her blog that they continue to call her…
The Politburo Diktat has a link to another DU thread on this topic that will make your blood boil.
Others slamming the leftist jerks who posted Michelle’s private information: John Hawkins, Bryan Preston, Flopping Aces, California Conservative, Lorie Byrd at Polipundit, Jawa Report
Add me in. This is deplorable.
Comment by Karl @ 4/20/2006 - 1:49 am
Michelle Malkin engaged in, then aided and abetted, terrorism against her political opponents; now when a few other opponents fight fire with fire, suddenly the wingnutosphere is outraged.
If she wasn’t a practicioner of ideological genocide, if she wasn’t a self-loathing racist and apologist for bigotry, I might have had a little sympathy for the tables being turned on her.
You animals have been waging a scorched-earth cultural war for decades; did you think the day wouldn’t come when we on the Left fought back in kind?
Don’t start pissing and moaning now that your own tactics and strategies are being used against you; your crocodile tears aren’t convincing.
Comment by Gideon S. @ 4/20/2006 - 3:53 am
Giddy seems angry. Why? Makes him sound like a sore loser liberal.
Comment by stackja1945 @ 4/20/2006 - 4:18 am
Here’s the deal, ‘Gideon’…
- Malkin is going to ride this out, just like she has every other time you Stalnist idiots have thrown tantrums at her. She will defend herself. If one of your Stalinist comrades attempts to silence her physically, she will fill said comrade’s head with lead, AND be cleared of all charges on self-defense grounds. (Plus, GREAT days for our nation are made anytime that someone as hateful and worthless as yourself is eliminated.)
- Malkin will continue to write, publish, blog, speak on radio and television, and help continue the reign of the GOP. She will go on to become quite well-regarded (and well-compensated) for it. Meanwhile, you will continue purchasing junk food, porno videos, and illicit sex from disease-riddled prostitutes in your neighborhood with your measly welfare checks and continue to live your worthless life in your run-down, hopeless neighborhood.
- Malkin will be remembered as a great writer and political philosopher 100 years from now. Meanwhile, your worthless carcass will be rotting away in an anonymous, most likely unmarked and unnoticed, grave.
Got it? Good. Now go back to the clinic where you belong. People like you need to be lobotomized as soon as possible, preferably with a baseball bat.
STEVE in Lakewood, California
Comment by qdpsteve @ 4/20/2006 - 4:34 am
Michelle Malkin engaged in, then aided and abetted, terrorism against her political opponents; now when a few other opponents fight fire with fire, suddenly the wingnutosphere is outraged.
Gideon did you evene READ what she put out?
Do even realize the stupidity of your arguement?
She REPOSTED, information that SAW had already put out in a press release.
Do you even realize what that means, or is the blind hatred of liberalism completely blocked you from rational thought?
SAW (Students Against War) had put that information out to the media (newspapers, internet…ect) BEFORE Michelle Malkin REPOSTED it on her site.
How can she aid and abett terrorism against her political opponents when her political opponents were stupid enough to put that information out in the first place.
Michelle did not put her information out for puclic use, she did not take detailed pictures of how to get to her house and streets and post them. Her information was PRIVATE, and someone violated the LAW.
Yet another Liberal retaliation because of ‘feelings’ that they think trump the Law, yet again.
If she wasn’t a practicioner of ideological genocide, if she wasn’t a self-loathing racist and apologist for bigotry, I might have had a little sympathy for the tables being turned on her.
Not going to even bother going through these rediculous points, except to point out, no matter what your party affiliation or what your viws, no one has the right to break the law such as someone did in posting this private information about her.
You do understand the difference between Private information and Information out for Public release, do you not. There is a BIG difference between the two.
You animals have been waging a scorched-earth cultural war for decades; did you think the day wouldn’t come when we on the Left fought back in kind?
This is just plain hatred that you are spewing.
I do hope Liberals keep this up, I really do, because we will sed light on the mental makeup and hatred of Liberals. After reading this and seeing what others do for a Liberal Agenda, I really think Liberalism is a mental disease.
Don’t start pissing and moaning now that your own tactics and strategies are being used against you; your crocodile tears aren’t convincing.
Again, you obviously do not know the difference between a press release by SAW and Private information.
Did you even bother to read what she posted?
See where Malkin got the information she posted?
Did you see comments written by her that say send your hatred to these people?
No, obviously like most liberals you probably reacted with ‘feelings’ instead of your head.
Let me clue you in, what Malkin did was legal, a reposting of information that was readily avaible from a press release to the media.
What this other person did by posting PRIVATE information of Michelle and her family, is ILLEGAL. Personally I hope she sues the site that allowed for the information to be put up for the information of the person who posted it, and then lets law enforcement deal with the person
I would hope some would understand the difference between legal reposting, and illegal posting of private information.
Comment by sanity @ 4/20/2006 - 7:00 am
- This won’t stop until some of these young, out of control Liberal idiots do some jail time. If I was Malkin, I’d lawyer up and go after DU for Net stalking. I’d lay it at the feet of the FBI and demand enforcement. Somewhere, sometime, these tactics that the left are using have to stop or someones going to get hurt or worse. You can only go just so far with activism before it spirals out of control, and this is a prime example of it. Lets see if the gov. deals with this the way they’re bound by law to do, or try to duck their responsibilities like they have on occassion.
- Bang
Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 4/20/2006 - 7:11 am
I agree with Bang.
I also think people like Gideon S. should be added to the list Malkin’s lawyer names in her lawsuits. I took one look at Gideon’s site and it was enough to want to make me nominate Gideon as posterboy for the unhinged left.
Comment by PCD @ 4/20/2006 - 7:46 am
PCD, I assumed Giddy was a loser so did not look at his site, sorry you had to, but now we all know.
Comment by stackja1945 @ 4/20/2006 - 8:11 am
stack,
What will get me is that we will have people like this and, I suspect solitaire and steve(FN), sympathize and defend the SAW cretins.
MSNBC should can Keith Olbermann for supporting SAW and condemning Malkin. See Radio Equalizer’s site for more on that aspect of the story.
This incident just proves there are on ethics on the Left as we have been saying all along.
Comment by PCD @ 4/20/2006 - 8:34 am
Don’t feed the trolls.
If anybody wants to post my name, address, phone number and an aerial photo of “La Casa de Camo”, let ‘em go ahead…I mean, a petite gal like Michelle Malkin is one thing, but I cannot envision any of the cowardly types who would harrass her even thinking of rolling up on this biker’s compound.
It would never happen…
Comment by camojack @ 4/20/2006 - 8:41 am
Boy, you right-wing fanatics are a HOOT.
To begin, let’s address “Sanity’s” blatherings:
First, Malkin styles herself as a journalist, and universally-held standards of journalistic ethics and morality state that a journalist shall “do no harm” to their subjects.
Michelle Malkin eschewed those standards by printing the phone numbers and e-mail addresses of her subjects, knowing (from previous experience) that the more extreme members of her readership would would react in a violent fashion.
Second, the students sent their press release to legitimate media outlets that report the news (which did not include Malkin) instead of opining on it. Those outlets — who no doubt had members who disagreed with the students — treated the students humanely. Malkin did not.
Third, Malkin — unlike the college students — is a celebrity who routinely places herself in the public eye, which entails risks that a small group of college students who are not as media-savyy as Malkin are unaware of. They should not be punished by a so-called journalist like Malkin simply for holding opposing political views, which is precisely what happened.
Further, Malkin — as a controversial celebrity — invites increased scrutiny and even ridicule (like Tom Cruise and Danny Glover) that a group of young college kids exercising their First Amendment rights do not.
Fourth, it is immaterial whether or not the students included their contact information on the “wrong” part of their press release; if they did (which is in question, as there is no standardized form for press releases), legitimate reporters do not release contact information when reporting a story. For Malkin to do so underscores that she is not a legitimate reporter but a woman with an axe to grind against the neck of anyone she deems an enemy.
Fifth (and finally), if you want to discuss lawsuits, the students have a legitimate basis for filing suit against Malkin for intentional infliction of emotional harm, and could even make the case that THEIR right to privacy was violated as they, unlike Malkin, are not celebrities.
Try to get your facts straight.
Comment by Gideon S. @ 4/20/2006 - 8:47 am
Hey “camojack,” if you’re such a burly man, then why don’t you POST your personal info?
After all, if you’re so unafraid of someone assaulting you without provocation (which would give you every right to defend yourself, even with lethal force), then you should have no problem with fully-disclosing your address, phone number, etc.
I’m guessing it’s because you’re more afraid of being ignored than assaulted.
Comment by Gideon S. @ 4/20/2006 - 8:54 am
Gideon, you are a “Bravo Sierra” artist 1st class. The “do no harm” is from the Hippocratic Oath Medical professionals follow, not the press. The press has no such ethic and regularly do harm to people they politically disagree with.
You are no lawyer either. The students have no basis for a suit. Oh, they are ripe for federal prosecution for their violent protests against the recuriters and UCSC should be also losing the federal funding for not keeping the SAW loonies in check.
Gideon, you are just another “Sore Loserman” who is crying about being “Swift Boated”.
Comment by PCD @ 4/20/2006 - 8:56 am
Tsk tsk. You’re a nasty one, aren’t you? Take it somewhere else. –ST
Comment by Gideon S. @ 4/20/2006 - 8:57 am
This seems pertinent here:
“Rowley: The immediate ones that come to mind are Hypocrisy, the belief that there are one set of rules for leftists, and another set for everyone else. And Elitism, a sense that they are not only smarter than everyone else, but are inherently more caring than the populace, and that they are the only ones who feel passionate about their beliefs. But I truly believe that the underlying driving force behind leftist philosophy is a disdain for America.”
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22128
Comment by Severian @ 4/20/2006 - 9:24 am
Let’s see…
Gideon:
First: Debunked quickly by PCD. Amazing you didn’t catch the difference between the MEDICAL profession and the MEDIA one. The fact that she re-printed something that was already on numerous other sites is hardly an indication of hostile intent. Furthermore, she could have simply linked to the other pages where such things were posted, to the exact same effect.
Second: You consider paid media to be ‘legitimate’? How is that, exactly? Oh, and please point out what she did that was ‘inhumane’. I’d like to see it.
Third: She didn’t ‘punish’ a single person. Or, if you want to decry it as punishment, she punished no one that did not punish THEMSELVES first. Oh, and if that media outlet was indeed professional and ‘legitimate’, why did they post the information to begin with? Shouldn’t they, with all their ‘experience’, have at least warned them about the hazards in putting such information up?
I love how you then claim, in a most facetious manner, that the students are entitled to greater First Amendment rights than Malkin is, by dint of her being a ‘celebrity’. So, let me get this straight, the more well known you are, the less rights you are entitled to?
Fourth: It is entirely material that the students had their own info posted on multiple sites. Right or wrong, it was already on the release. If it was wrong, as you claim it could have been, then why did the professional, legitimate media even post it? I guess the fact that the media outlets did so indicates that they are not legitimate reporters. Using that as ‘evidence’ that Malkin isn’t a ‘legitimate’ reporter after you already expressed that you believed she is not is just more beating of a dead horse.
Fifth: Prove it. They will have to show that she willingly attempted to cause them harm, which she did not. Then you go on to repeat your previously implied claim that Malkin is entitled to less rights than anyone else as a result of her popularity. I must have missed something here, since I thought the Law applied equally to everyone. I guess the KosKiddies should also be hung out to dry according to your philosophy?
“Try to get your facts straight.”
The sheer and incredible irony of this statement being at the end of your post while your mis-representation of the Hippocratic Oath at the beginning of your post is almost too much to bear. Further, believing that some people are entitled to more ‘rights’ than others shows a distinct lack of facts. Then, linking to a post that concerns Malkin making a post after something happens as a result of an event, rather than doing so as a cause before the event, demonstrates a complete lack of logic skills… if one can’t get past the complexities of cause and effect, how can one claim to deal in ‘facts’?
Perhaps if you had demonstrated actual, relevant facts in your own post, this line might have carried some weight. As it is, maybe you should practice what you preach?
As to your response to Camojack, his decision not to disclose his personal information is his right, which no amount of snide comments can infringe upon. Perhaps he rightly reasons that disclosing such information on this site would be pointless, but descending to such holes as Kos or DU and doing so would mean he’d likely run out of ammunition.
Furthermore, he demonstrates greater intellect than the ’students’ you support–by not making the mistake of posting his information himself, he actually forces the loonies to work for it.
And, just in case you missed it, his point was logicially in line with the points being represented. Like Malkin, he sees no need to tell everyone his own, since he has greater common sense. If someone wants to violate his rights by posting information he did not expressly allow (same as Malkin, unlike the others), he has no problem with knocking them down. This is a completely different concept from willingly disclosing it himself. Try to keep up, Gideon.
Comment by Tyrmadris @ 4/20/2006 - 9:29 am
PCD, I also agree with Bang.
you PCD I checked out Gideon’s site what a nonfactual totally opinionated piece of trash I think the tabloids are more factual in their reporting. The thing about liberals as we can see by our drive-by opinion commenter they think there opinion once they spew it or write it, it somehow magically turns to fact. Then they all start posting, commenting and spewing their opinions, now in their minds are facts but in reality are nothing more than garbage. As many of you know it is hard to have a reasonable discussion using facts and logic with most liberals because they argue using feelings. How many times have you heard “I feel sorry for the poor their just unlucky” or “What about the children” all this is nothing more than pulling on peoples heart strings (Feelings). Liberalism is just being lazy it is easy to use your feelings another words “0” thought process none zip nada just look at the Government Schools Zzzeeerrrooo tolerance equals zero thought.
Just as Sanity asked Gideon did he read what she put out? No liberals won’t read the whole thing or as we have seen they have been caught leaving out words or full sentences out of speeches of the Presidents or posting parts of what Michelle Malkin posted so it fits their agenda. Liberals will be the first to scream Freedom of Speech but if someone says or posts facts that make liberals feel uncomfortable they will shout you down or try to stifle your words. Just ask Ann Coulter or David Horowitz (Who use to be a liberal) when they give speeches at our supposedly open thought open ideas Collage campuses.
If any of you liberals are offended by my comments to damn bad you have no Constitutional right not to be offended so put it where the sun doesn’t shine.
Comment by Jim M @ 4/20/2006 - 9:44 am
so many points so little information.
and he tells me to get MY facts straight.
Just because you put yourself out as a celebrity of sorts does not mean you give up your rights to privacy.
If, and that is a BIG if, Michelle put her information out as a public release, then I would be saying the same thing…if your stupid enough to put yourself out for public criticism by giving out your personal information, then you can expect to receive hate mail at times.
Just because they are students does not excuse them.
They decided to make themselves media accoutnable, by putting their information out for public release. How that information can and will be used once out in the public domain is anyones guess.
The studets at SAW have no basis for a lawsuit, their information was public, malkins was not, unles you can show me where it was put out by Malkin for public use.
Again there is a big difference in media releases to the public as SAW did and private information. It is really to bad you cannot perceive this. It has nothing to do with whether your a celebrity or not. Your rights do not end or get modified just because of the job you hold.
Tom Cruise, Oprah Winfrey, Michelle Malkin, even Sister Toldjah have EXACTLY the same rights of privacy as you and me. But if they put there information out for public use, as SAW did, then there is a limited amount they can do about it.
Now, do not get me wrong, I deplore and will call out on BOTH sides, that decided to use such information to attack, stalk, send death threats, ect, to any person, even if their information is public. There is no call for that.
What the person(s) did in posting private information is set Malkin up for stalking, and/or harm.
Link
Comment by sanity @ 4/20/2006 - 9:55 am
“Mind you, the email addresses and phone numbers of the SAW members in question were made public by SAW themselves in a press release”
And then they asked her to take it down. I don’t know why she can’t do that.
Comment by andrew @ 4/20/2006 - 10:07 am
Can you show us where they asked to have it removed?
Last I checked she has a disclaimer that if asked she will remove it.
IF, and I say IF, she has been asked by these people to remove the informaqtion from her site, and she does not comply, then I have fault with Malkin with this issue…but that is IF they actually did ask.
So far as I have heard, they have not as of yet, unless you have proof otherwise…
Comment by sanity @ 4/20/2006 - 10:20 am
Andrew, it is a PUBLIC PRESS RELEASE. You would be the first to kvetch and scream if Malkin altered the PR in any way shape or form.
I have a problem with you excusing your side for its unethical, boorish, if not criminal behavior, yet you want to blame the victim, Malkin, for the outrage perpetrated by your fellow travellers.
Comment by PCD @ 4/20/2006 - 10:20 am
“And then they asked her to take it down. I don’t know why she can’t do that.”
They did? I must have missed that. Do you have a link?
PS: Not being sarcastic, honestly never saw that anywhere, and would like to know.
Comment by Tyrmadris @ 4/20/2006 - 10:22 am
From Michelle’s site:
“Oh, and for the record–not that the facts matter to the unhinged–not one of the three SAW students whose contact information is still publicly accessible across several websites has e-mailed me [*or phoned me or contacted me in any other way*] as of 12:30am EDT 4/18 [*as of 10:00am EDT*] to request that I remove anything.”
No updates since then, but I doubt they could stop mail bombing and sending obscene e-mails long enough to ask.
Comment by Severian @ 4/20/2006 - 10:27 am
Sanity, proof facts from a liberal that is like trying to win the lottery your chances are better at being struck by lighting.
Comment by Jim M @ 4/20/2006 - 10:28 am
Way to pick the wrong side Andrew. This kind of stuff will REALLY help Democrats. Lefties calling Michelle the “C” word, posting directions to her house, and on and on (including yourself) with the FALSE accustations.
This is the kind of stuff conservatives need. Keep it up. It’s a snack preceding results in November.
Maybe we’ll finally get a working majority of conservatives in Congress. Instead of government continuting to grow for another 60 years it’ll be able to reprioritize/spend the same amount of dollars for a change.
Comment by Baklava @ 4/20/2006 - 10:46 am
Why am I thinking of Martin Luther King at this moment?
Comment by Baklava @ 4/20/2006 - 10:48 am
- Looks like the asshats are getting pretty desperate, trying to create controversy any way they can, and stay on the front pages of the left-wing rags. Problem is people are running out of patience, and at some point its going to start being met with more than just angry shouting matches. None of their “Anygate” scams have worked out, so expect even more of this sort of “in your face” idiocy by the moonbat moron losers. The fact is that more of them should have been arrested for interfering with normal, legal operations by the military, who have shown great patience and restraint, by not demanding more retribution against these idiotarians.
- Apparently the more you try to be understanding and give them a pass they don’t deserve, the worse they act out. At some point its going to be time for a few “spankings” to remind the Liberals they’re not privaledged characters just because they’re out of power and in the minority.
- After watching the crazy, Illegal, “elitist” antics for the past 6+ years, the Liberal claims of “caring”, full time defense of Constitutional rights, and being for the “little” guy, have forever gone in the porcelein dumper as far as I’m concerned. Its obvious that truth, honor, character, all the things that give you credibility, have gone by the wayside with the tin-foil hat crowd.
- Bang
Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 4/20/2006 - 12:18 pm
- BTW. The FBI has given the unhinged, both left and right, but left mostly by a very wide margin, a great deal of wiggle room concerning the depth of depravity and viciousness of the sort of Emails they gleefully spew around to all their hated Conservative bloggers, TV announcers etc etc. At some point they need to step up and start enforcing the new anti-defemation, anti-threat internet laws that are now on the books. If they don’t do it soon, and something bad happens, it will be squarly at their door step. I’m aware that the gov. is very pre-occupied with child pornography, as they should be, but they need to start taking this sort of lawbreaking serious.
- Bang
Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 4/20/2006 - 12:33 pm
JunkYard blog said it best:
Comment by Baklava @ 4/20/2006 - 1:01 pm
Lorie Byrd says, “I thought those on the left believed in the right to privacy.”
Nope. They believe in scoring political points on the issue. But failed. They move on to issue after issue trying to find enough mud to muddy the president during a time of war. Sad. Big government (left of center’s position) is antithetical to privacy. Conservatives wanting less government fits hand in hand with privacy.
Equations of laws prohibiting murder meaning “big government” need not apply. It’s old.
Comment by Baklava @ 4/20/2006 - 1:13 pm
What goes around,comes around. If you plant yourself in the public eye, except for violence, anything goes. If Malkin feels threatened she should contact the authorities. If she is uncomfortable with how the game is played, then it is time to get out of the game. Peace
Comment by steve @ 4/20/2006 - 3:37 pm
” They did? I must have missed that. Do you have a link?”
Really? You missed that? that’s what the whole thing is about. The kids asked her to take it down and she doesnt.
Comment by andrew @ 4/20/2006 - 3:39 pm
steve(FN), it figures that you would say something stupid, and once again you didn’t disappoint. The fact that you can’t see the difference between posting a public press release and keyboard commandoes, like yourself, anonymously posting the address, phone number, email, and photos of a person’s house without permission, makes you one dense, demented dude.
Where Malkin was only publicizing a public document, you clowns on the left were advertising for stalkers and other nutjobs of the left to do serious harm to Malkin and her family. That is not peace nor the teachings of Christ you are walking out, but just pure evil, steve(FN). That is what you are, and you are earning your wages of sin, boy.
Comment by PCD @ 4/20/2006 - 3:43 pm
This is so stupid. It was stupid to put these kid’s info up, and stupid to retaliate by putting Malkin’s info up. The whole thing is infantile and debasing to those who engage in it.
Comment by Alexander Wolfe @ 4/20/2006 - 3:44 pm
If you plant yourself in the public eye, except for violence, anything goes.
- Thats dead wrong Steve, but exactly the sort of comment I’d expect from a Liberal. You are accessory and breaking the law if you incite. No need for direct violence. Trying to hide behind your “no-violence” screed is pure BS. there are any number of solicitous actions that are both morally and legally wrong, and in no way “part of the game”. Dolt.
- Bang
Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 4/20/2006 - 3:52 pm
Mr. Wolfe, if you’d get your liberal blinders off, (Yes, I looked at your website and quickly deduced that you are a lib.) you would see that all Malkin did was post their press release en toto. As I said to Andrew, if Malkin has altered the release in any way, shape or form, you’d be the first to scream about it and try to make out that Malkin is distorting SAW’s message.
We got their message. You on the left have to begin to accept that you can’t shoot your mouths off without a reaction to it. Death threats are over the top, but soliciting harm as many of you lefties who posted and reposted Malkin’s non-public information is beyond the pale. Also, people like you who are trying to make moral equivalencies to exhonorate your fellow travellers, are disgusting.
Comment by PCD @ 4/20/2006 - 4:01 pm
What goes around,comes around. If you plant yourself in the public eye, except for violence, anything goes.
Steve, you are beyond words, but I shall endeavor to clarify for you one more time.
SAW put themselves in the public eye, SAW put their own names and numbvers out in a public media release.
Michelle Malkin did not release her personal and private information to the public, this was done as a maliscous act to cause her harm. Why else would you post someones address and how to get to her home, if you did not expect to have someone go there.
Malkin repeated, what is out in the media already, which is completely LEGAL. SAW information was open to public scrutiny, Malkin’s was not, until someone obtained her personal information and posted it. There is a big difference between a public release of information as SAW did, and putting someones personal information up in hopes of an attack.
I would be curious as to how this person GOT the information though.
If Malkin feels threatened she should contact the authorities.
I am sure she has, and I wouldn’t doubt she has a gun for protection for tools that try and stalk her.
After reading some of the posts at DU, I only noticed one person who seemed to be of a right mind, and who was genuinely concerned on how this makes the Democrats look when this type of action is done. In response, he was turned on by those who post there, called names, and essentailly told his opinion isn’t needed or wanted. When in doubt, eat your own eh?
Really to bad though, he would be one I wouldn’t mind debating, since he seemed to genuinely care how his party looks and reacts.
If she is uncomfortable with how the game is played, then it is time to get out of the game.
She posted..pah, why do I bother, nbothing gets through up there does it?
You cannot see that SAW information was already publically available out in the media, that all she did was repost it. You cannot see what someone else did was beyond reposting a public release and obtained personal and private information to post on hate-filled sites so crazies could stalk her and possibly cause her or her family harm.
Comment by sanity @ 4/20/2006 - 4:16 pm
PCD-
Why doesn’t it surprise me that someone here could take my comment as evidence of liberal “blinders”? For one thing, I wouldn’t be screaming about anything because, as I said, this whole thing is infantile and debasing and that’s pretty much the extent of my opinion on it. And it’s hard to exhonerate anyone of anything when you don’t really care. If it makes me “disgusting” to care about substantive policy debates instead of games of “who can post whose private information”…well, so be it.
By the way if you quickly “deduced” from my blog that I’m a liberal, then I guess I’m doing my job.
Comment by Alexander Wolfe @ 4/20/2006 - 4:29 pm
AW, what shows you up as a typical hypocritical liberal is that you don’t see any difference between putting up a PUBLIC press release that had the names and addresses of the people who AUTHORIZED and RELEASED the press release themselves, and digging up unpublished information on an “enemy” and posting it deliberately, all the while inciting people to misuse it to silence and hurt someone. This is the standard liberal BS, the “oh everyone is doing it” excuse to attempt to justify their onerous behavior.
Comment by Severian @ 4/20/2006 - 4:42 pm
Alexander tried to put himself above the fray as a high minded liberal by saying, “And it’s hard to exhonerate anyone of anything”
Not hard for me. I exhonerate Michelle as she simply posted SAW’s own press release. She didn’t do anything wrong and should not have had her privacy breeched. If you are concerned then speak out against the perpetrator not the victim as well.
Severian said it well also.
Comment by Baklava @ 4/20/2006 - 4:50 pm
Severian-
Actually, I didn’t say that. You may assume I think that, but you’d be wrong.
Baklava-
As you’ll see if you visit my blog, or read my comments here, I’ve spoken out on behalf of no one in this little “debate”.
My point remains, that this whole thing is just stupid. If you are insulted because I’m saying that something you care enough to blog or comment about repeatedly is really stupid, well…that’s your problem. I’d tell a liberal the same thing.
Comment by Alexander Wolfe @ 4/20/2006 - 5:10 pm
Failing to recognize a major difference in the ethics and morality of the two sides in this debate says volumes about you, whether you think you’re making a comment or not.
Comment by Severian @ 4/20/2006 - 5:33 pm
That’s my point. You’ve spoken out on behalf of no one.
You can believe that it is stupid but to not clearly call your co-liberals out for their wrongdoing and acting like Michelle is to blame also is to fail.
I’m not insulted. I’m simply trying to help you. But why bother? Because I’m a caring person whether you think so or not.
If you can’t recognize the wrongdoers it reflects on you poorly. Just trying to help…
Comment by Baklava @ 4/20/2006 - 5:36 pm
- Wolfe, as much as you Liberals love to poo-poo every dumb-ass thing your side does in the name of “the cause”, putting someones security in danger intentionally is beyond the pale. Get real. It would be every bit as bad, and important to stop, if people on the right did this sort of thing. Stop minimizing and just admit this was a vicious act, perpetrated intentionally to try to stifle her blog, which is obviously giving the idiotarians fits because she exposes every feckless act and lie they indulge in, and to scare her off. For “elites” you guys sure sound and act like children sometimes.
- Bang
Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 4/20/2006 - 5:36 pm
“Way to pick the wrong side Andrew. ”
What wrong side? Both Malkin and other people are wrong for posting the info, specially once they know its causing harm.
Comment by andrew @ 4/20/2006 - 5:48 pm
Lordy, call me severized. We’re on the same wavelength. Wonder if the message will get through.
Comment by Baklava @ 4/20/2006 - 5:51 pm
Andrew wrote, “Both Malkin and other people are wrong for posting the info”
Posting their press release that they posted themselves?
Yeppers. That’s how you got on the wrong side. And even if your tit for tat scenario was true (it ain’t) they should’ve just posted her phone number as that was what was in their press release (their phone numbers).
You gotta know what this says about you Andrew. It is revealing…
Comment by Baklava @ 4/20/2006 - 6:05 pm
So very typical of you and other warm and fuzzies on the left, andrew: when making a condemnation of something the left has done, you have to make an equal condemnation of the person on the right - whether deserved or not. You apparently can’t just condemn what was clearly wrong here, which was the PERSONAL information that people at DU were posting about MM; instead you just play the ’shared blame’ game.
It reminds me of the conclusions that came out of the 9-11 Commission: the person more than anyone else who dropped the ball on the threat of OBL was Bill Clinton, yet they passed so much blame between Clinton and President Bush because, IMO, they didn’t want to appear ‘partisan’ nor did they want to come down too hard on one side or the other.
You’re doing the same thing.
Sometimes, just sometimes, when there are two parties who are involved in an issue - one of them is CLEARLY wrong while the other one is not … no ifs, ands, or buts. This is one of those times. I find the fact that you, and anyone else who can’t see that, disturbing.
It’s no wonder the political debate atmosphere is so poisoned now considering people like you who can’t distinguish right from wrong, and considering others out there who see nothing wrong with what DU did in retaliation.
Comment by Sister Toldjah @ 4/20/2006 - 6:15 pm
Balaklava and Severian-
So it’s “if you’re not with us you’re against us”, eh? I don’t agree with your viewpoint completely, and I’m lumped in with those liberals that I also criticize, for my willingness to criticize both sides?
Well, since I can’t win either way, let me be more clear.
This is stupid, stupid issue, and the concern of those on the left or the right with it is stupid, stupid, stupid. Does that make me “high minded”? No, it makes me able to recognize stupidity when I see it. Instead of having a debate about “real” issues that matter to real people, you and my otherwise liberal “allies” are doing a disservice to everyone. Anyone with any ounce of sense in their head wouldn’t engage in this sort of practice, or argue about it with someone else. They, like me, would say that it’s a stupid, demeaning and embarassing waste of time to everyone involved. Severian, your failure to recognize the banality of this issue speaks volumes about you.
That’s the side I’m on. So there you go.
Comment by Alexander Wolfe @ 4/20/2006 - 6:26 pm
“willingness to cricize both sides”
That’s the point. This is a simple reading comprehension point that’s been repeated. Michelle posted thier own press release (SAW’s) that they themselves posted. Yet, you say, “willingness to criticize both sides”.
It’ll only bring criticism towards you Alexander as someone UNABLE to see what was CLEARLY wrong by the lefties who posted her home address and location and other details that were not publicized in a press release.
Alexander wrote, “concern of those on the left or the right with it is stupid”
That is an opinion. But I value privacy concerns. If I go to your blog will I see that you have concern for people being survielled if they are engaged in a call with Al Qaida?
Alexander wrote, “Instead of having a debate about “real” issues that matter to real people, you and my otherwise liberal “allies” are doing a disservice to everyone.”
Oh no. This is a real issue. Your words reflect on you. We can clearly see what you are saying. And it REALly isn’t serving you well. To be so unable to distinguish what is clearly wrong and condemn it and/or condemn both sides (Michelle) as if publishing someone elses own press release gave anyone permission or leverage or credibility to do what they did. It’s real. And it’s REALly putting a light on your character at this moment in time. For real.
And banality? Again. It isn’t trivial. It is quite disturbing and a serious breach of privacy. And saying it is reflects on you… Really badly.
Comment by Baklava @ 4/20/2006 - 6:46 pm
Nice try Wolfe, but sniffing that this is stupid and banal and there are more important things to worry about is also a tried and true tactic of the left to deflect criticism about whatever heinous or unpleasant thing they just did. Is this as important as what do do about Iran, no, but you sell it seriously short, as it is symptomatic of the cancer that’s eating at this country in the guise of “progressive” values. Your failure to either admit or recognize that still pegs you as a person of poor character.
Comment by Severian @ 4/20/2006 - 6:48 pm
B-
You’re trying to push me into having an argument with you about the merits this issue, and I won’t do it because I fundamentally disagree with you about the importance of this issue.
S-
It may be a tactic for some, but it’s true for me. This is a dumb issue, and a dumb thing to argue about when both sides show so much immaturity and bone-headedness. It’s not “sniffing”; It’s not that I’m above this issue. Rather, it’s that it’s beneath us all.
Comment by Alexander Wolfe @ 4/20/2006 - 7:03 pm
I don’t agree.
I find this a serious enough issue that it raises warning flags that instead of debate, we have those who would rather find your personal and private information and put it out for hte world to see, including thieves, murderers, rapists, and any other pervert that may be looking through where it is posted.
It does NOTHING at all for debate, when you dig for private information and post it. You invite violence instead of debate.
Unfortunately, I am seeing this more and more, that instead of debate, violence has taken stead. If someone doesn’t like what you say, they will beat you, threaten you or your family.
I read through and followed Karl’s Links at Leaning Straight Up, to DU to see how the other side discusses items like this. I was thouroughly disgusted.
The one person who tried to show sense, and was worried at how this replfects on his party, the image it puts forth, he tried to talk about that and was essentially told who the hell cares about your opinion, its not wanted and neither are you.
I have no problem if someone wants to be sensible and debate an issue, heck I am sure I could learn some from a decent Democrat. But there is no learning, no debate from some of these, what I call, new-age democrats. Take the party by force, anyone who doesn’t agree with your opinion or your message gets shouted down and stomped out.
Unfortunately, I am seeing that type more and more.
I would love to have an honest debate, back and forth, shown with links and proof of each sides beliefs and positions. I think it would make for good reading and we all could learn …..
Unfortunately I don’t see that happening, not when it is easier to attack a person than it is to debate them….
Comment by sanity @ 4/20/2006 - 7:46 pm
Malkin is married to Mark Noonan who writes for “Blogs for Bush” he’s a conservative catholic and they live in Las Vegas where he puts together “deals” with other people’s money…blahblahblahblah. If you don’t want people crawling up your poop shoot, don’t crawl up theirs. Malkin is constantly expressing her opinion and she deserves what you all people give the left, an outing and some invective. “There is no crying when you blog.” Peace
Comment by steve @ 4/20/2006 - 7:47 pm
- Sure Steve. Lets just scuttle all the laws of our society and let them all fight it out. What an idiot. Those were the ezact same words you would have heard from southern sepratists if you’d been alive during the civil rights days. “Well who cares, they’re black, so they deserve it”. You truly are an anarchist and a dyed in the wool bigot.
- And Wolfe. Its kind of late in the day for the “boys will be boys” meme. Or the “this is so silly” evasions. Your side once again, jumped the shark impulsively, letting their emotions run their heads. We’ll see if the Feds think its all silly.
- I’ve seen some of the bomb-mails shes gotten, and its just unbelievably rank, mean, and vicious. To excuse that sort of thing is to be ignored from that point on. That sort of thing is very definately not just a “part of the game”. Not in my America.
- Bang
Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 4/20/2006 - 8:36 pm
Both sides again huh? Typical liberal “false accusation”.
Your are not just “staying above the fray” now.
Now you are perpetuating lies and false allegations by acting like one side did something wrong when they didn’t.
We tried to help you. You should’ve just stayed COMPLETELY quiet. But you didn’t. You’ve helped untold new political people see who they should be lining up with. Conservatives….. Thanks.
And for that one Steve…. I don’t think you belong here.
You get to express an opinion but she doesn’t or she deserves what she gets? You are mean spirited and might I say evil.
Comment by Baklava @ 4/20/2006 - 8:39 pm
Where you getting your information?
Because unless you have proof, your lying.
Here is mine:
Link
Link
Your turn steve.
Show me where Michelle Malkin is married to Mark Noonan.
SO far the only thing verifiable that you said is Mark Noonan writes for “Blogs for Bush” and he lives in Vegas. But it is Mark that Lives in Vegas, while from what I found of others posting malkin’s personal information, she lives in Germantown, Maryland.
I will not reprint others so viscously put out there, suffice it to say she lives in Germantown, MD.
So, I would like to know where you got your false information steve. Show us proof.
Otherwise you are lying again.
Comment by sanity @ 4/20/2006 - 8:41 pm
I think he’s batting 1,000. 100% lies all the time. Nobody should be allowed that.
Comment by Baklava @ 4/20/2006 - 8:53 pm
- Well actually Bak, its better to let the solicious idiotarians have their say. You want to know who the troublemakers, and turncoats are, and thats the best way. an old saying. Give them enough rope, and Liberals are singularly bad at lying, which is why so many of the twisted fool ideas they come up with get laughed at a lot.
- One thing the Left never seems to get, (I know - thats redundent), is that when they try running their idiotic scams on Conservatives, it only serves to make us focus and rise up and respond. Like Bush, they just keep under-estimating us. Maybe its a lot of wishful thinking.
- Bang
Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 4/20/2006 - 9:13 pm
I will tap dance on the windpipe of anyone that tries to harm Michelle Malkin or her family.
All she has to do is say the word and 10,000 folks like me will come runnin to her neighborhood.
We will protect her the same way the Bikers protect the military families.
GO ‘HEAD, MAKE MY DAY.
Richard Davis
Philadelphia, PA
USN Ret
Comment by Richard Davis @ 4/20/2006 - 9:15 pm
“Posting their press release that they posted themselves?”
That they then asked removed from malkin’s site. It depends on whats done with the info, not just that its ‘out there’ and ‘in public.’
Comment by andrew @ 4/20/2006 - 9:22 pm
So andrew, are they more concerned about the info they posted being reposted on her site because she has a far better following than the place they chose, or is it just another day of, let’s play the asshat card again and see how much grief and destruction we can cause.
Jerks like these, deserve no defense and you do yourself injustice by attempting to justify their inabilities to create anything worthwhile. I have read a lot of your posts and you are smarter than that. What good can come of it?
Comment by forest hunter @ 4/21/2006 - 2:46 am
Forest, andrew can’t help himself. He’s in knee-jerk protect the liberals mode. He can’t see his own lack of ethics because he, like most liberals, don’t have any ethics. Wolfe is the same. He can’t admit to himself that the left is wrong and Malkin did nothing wrong.
steve(FN) is just showing how deluded, delusional, and ill informed he is. steve(FN) is as sad case.
Comment by PCD @ 4/21/2006 - 8:23 am
Well, PCD, that’s what years of government education and moral relativism will do for you.
Comment by Severian @ 4/21/2006 - 8:40 am
Moral relativism means never having to say you’re sorry…
Comment by Severian @ 4/21/2006 - 8:40 am
sev, or admit that you are wrong.
Comment by PCD @ 4/21/2006 - 9:13 am
Andrew, I agree, IF they have written to Malkin, email or however they needed to reach her, to ask for the information to be removed from her site and she does not do it, THEN I will have a problem with hypocrisy of Malkin putting up the disclaimer about removing information if requested.
But that is IF they actually have written to Malkin to do so.
As of yet, last update I have seen from Malkin was that they have not.
Yes, I know, it then becomes a match of he said, she said, of whom to believe.
I have followed a few links to what people said they informaed malkin, but it doesn;t say or show anything of any email or word to malkin, just that they have been receiving hate mail. Which is uncalled for.
But saying and showing you are receiving hate mail is not a request to another site owner to remove your information from their site.
If you have proof, I would gladly look at it.
Comment by sanity @ 4/21/2006 - 9:18 am
Sev and PCD: It’s almost like they either check someones watch or look at a calendar, to determine which way the next shift in the perpetual spin cycle is to be.
Comment by forest hunter @ 4/21/2006 - 10:07 am
Forest, they post diaries to each other on DU. That is how they do it.
Comment by PCD @ 4/21/2006 - 10:22 am
“Forest, andrew can’t help himself. He’s in knee-jerk protect the liberals mode.”
I know know what knee is jerking, but putting up addresses in a manner that leads to harassment is wrong no matter who does it.
Comment by andrew @ 4/21/2006 - 11:17 am
- Hey guys. Its tough when you’re powerless, and your basic approach to everything is “Blame America first”. A few of my Liberal friends are really torn because they vehemently disagree with a lot of the rabid craziness of the hard left. But its the really demented types that are willing to go way over the line that usually scream the loudest, and the LMSM just loves it.
- They’re definately in a no-win situation. If they just accept things it could be years before they regain political clout. Screaming and trampling on everything in sight, “Anygate” scams, and smear campaigns may get them headlines and confuse the public about Bush and the administration, but it doesn’t equal any more votes at the ballot box. Nobodies going to vote for a bunch of ethicless maniacs. But with no party plan I guess they think its the only option left.
- Just so damn glad I don’t have to defend that camp of morons.
- Bang
Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 4/21/2006 - 12:07 pm
andrew, you just demonstrated your basic blindness if not stupidity about this. That was a press release those dopes at SAW put out. It is a PUBLIC document. It was posted openly. Only idiots can’t understand that when you openly disseminate a document for public consumption that everything on there is then made known to the public. Now, are going to prove you are an idiot by disputing this and continuing on with your tantrum about Malkin?
Comment by PCD @ 4/21/2006 - 1:30 pm
Still waiting on your proof steve….
From your assertions made on 4/20/2006 - 7:47 pm.
I gave you PROOF in my posting of 4/20/2006 - 8:41 pm, of Malkin’s husband, who he is, and where they live, and even gave you where Noonan Lives as an added bonus.
Now, I would like to see your proof on where you got you ideas and thoughts that Malkin and Noonan (Blogs for Bush) were married.
You come in here and make wild and outlandish statements, you need to back up your statements. Otherwise you add nothing to the discussions.
Comment by sanity @ 4/24/2006 - 2:15 am