VIDEO: Cindy Sheehan, other far left anti-war protesters, disrupt Dem press conference

Posted by: ST on January 3, 2007 at 5:54 pm

Nutroots City LimitsRep. Rahm Emanuel (D-IL) was nicer than he should have been in the face of the disruption. Of course he probably realizes that crowd, as part of the Nutroots faction, helped get his party elected to the majority, so showing a little ‘respect’ for Sheehan and Co. appeared to be what he chose to do in response. Taking sort of a “don’t bite the hand that feeds” approach.

Here’s the story from Fox News.

Hat tip: ST reader Mwalimu Daudi

Update I: Via BizJournals:

Before the chanting started, Sheehan got a hug from Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., the new chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.

Awww. Now why does that not surprise me?

Update II: Check out the reaction at Democrats.com. Think condemnation for Mother Sheehan’s actions is being expressed? Think again.

Update III: Here’s a better copy of the video from Ian at Hot Air. I didn’t realize Sheehan walked up to the podium where Emanuel had previously been. She used Emanuel’s podium as her pulpit after she and her crew yelled loud enough to get the Dems to leave it. Unreal.

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    1. Comment moved from another thread to this one –ST

      =))=))=))

      I think the Dems are starting to realize what a Faustian bargain they got when they made their deal with the nutroots left. The sight of ol’Jihad Cindy railing against, gasp, Democrats, was just too priceless to miss.

      Comment by Severian @ 1/3/2007 – 6:08 pm

    2. Mwalimu Daudi says:

      Before the chanting started, Sheehan got a hug from Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., the new chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.

      Remember, dear readers – you cannot make this stuff up. The Nutroots will always be stranger than fiction.

    3. NC Cop says:

      Sooooooooo, when Iraq falls and Al Qaida moves in and declares victory, and turns into something far worse than the Taliban, will people like Conyers and Sheehan stand up and say, “This is my fault, I take responsibility”, I kind of doubt it.

      You think it’s bad now? Wait until we leave before the job is done, Al Qaida’s recruitment REALLY skyrockets and we are fending off terrorist attacks as often as a new weather front blows through the country. It absolutely astounds me as to how many people have no idea what is at stake here. Terrifies me, is more accurate. Of course, they’ll blame every terrorist attack on Bush for the next twenty years, so what does it matter.

      God help us all.

    4. NC Cop says:

      It’s also nice for Conyers to hug a woman who refers to the scum murdering our soldiers as “freedom fighters”. How disgraceful.

    5. Severian says:

      No matter what happens in Iraq, and no matter how much of it is the fault of the nutroots, if they manage to influence US policy by forcing a withdrawal, it’ll always be someone else’s fault NC. Bush is responsible for everything, even things that happened before he became president, haven’t you been keeping up? 8-|

    6. Severian says:

      It’ll be interesting to see how well Mama Sheehan can continue to milk her 15 minutes of fame and get press now that she’s had the audacity to go after the very people the press worship, the Democratic party. Suddenly she’ll be persona non grata and the news will ignore her.

    7. sanity says:

      The Democrats didn’t retreat from the podium when things got too tough for them, they …… redeployed.

      But after they retreated…errr….redeployed, the terorists..errr..nutjobs..ummm…sheehanites took over the podium.

      Just like if we retreat…errr…redeploy from Iraq, I believe the same will happen.

      So, can we expect this is how the democrats will handle trouble when it happens? Give the troublemakers a hug, retreat and then let them take over?

    8. Steve Skubinna says:

      How many “progressives” ever accepted any share of responsibility for what happened in Vietnam after we pulled the rug out? If they could blame Vietnam on Bush they would, but for now Iraq’s good enough.

      As furious as I have been at the Republicans the past few years, I have always had to give them this: they believe the country is at war.

      To the lefties, only George Bush and the “neocons” are at war. It doesn’t involve them one whit.

    9. Lanie says:

      well, if they cut and run from their own presser, we all know what’s next.

    10. sanity says:

      To the lefties, only George Bush and the “neocons” are at war. It doesn’t involve them one whit.

      Steve, it goes beyond that.

      They figure that if they didn’t vote for him, he isn’t THEIR President.

      He is the President of the United States, not President of the Republican Party, or President of a section of the country or a specific group. He is President of UNITED states, and Commander and Chief of ALL the US Armed Forces.

      It pisses me off to no end when I hear people sit there and say, “well he ain’t my president’.

      Sorry to burst their bubble, but unless your not an American, he is YOUR President also.

      Sorry, slight rant on that. More of an irritation, but turned into a rant.

    11. Severian says:

      So the nutroots, created by the Democratic party, are turning on their masters. Better watch out Cindy, remember what happened to the SA in Germany after those thugs outlived their usefulness…:-?

    12. Tom TB says:

      This will be entertaining; Dems having Cindy Sheehan and company thrown out of the House for wearing anti-war T-shirts and chanting slogans!

    13. ME says:

      NC Cop Said:

      “Sooooooooo, when Iraq falls and Al Qaida moves in and declares victory…
      …It absolutely astounds me as to how many people have no idea what is at stake here.”

      It absolutely astounds me that people just believe such rediculous BS that is provably false on it’s face.

      Let me try to make this simple for you:

      Iraq is now controlled by shiites. The shiite militias have infiltrated the government and have been engaging in reprisal killings against sunnis. The sunnis made up most of the original insurgency (the “dead enders”) before the descent into civil war. The sunnis have no chance of taking over Iraq.

      Al Quaeda is sunni. The sunnis in Iraq dislike al quaeda because they are foreigners meddling in their country. The shiia in Iraq dislike al quaeda because they are foreigners AND sunni.

      So in Iraq right now, the food chain is (most powerful to least powerful): Shiia, Sunni, then Quaeda.

      Given these facts, NC Cop’s assertion that Iraq will fall to al queda is absurd. It makes no sense from a factual perspective.

      Then again, we got into this mess because of people who lacked a fundamental understanding of the political realities in Iraq, so why should the armchair generals be expected to understand?

      I hope you conservatives get everything you want to fight this war. I hope that every weapon, every troop, all the time you want to use is available. I want you to be quite sure who’s fault it is that Iraq is still a mess years down the road. And if you claim “kid gloves” are reponsible, well…that’s still GWB, Rumsfeld, etc who are to blame.

      As for Sheehan… Coming from a liberal, Sheehan’s starting to get really annoying. She was alright at first… I don’t begrudge someone who just wants to spread a political message. But once she visited Chavez and heaped praise on him (just one example of many poor political choices), and started acting in general like a twit, it was over for me. She was already marginal, she’ll be marginalized further. Just be glad she isn’t “funny”, or she’d be paraded around even more, just for shock/entertainment value (coulter-style).

    14. Severian says:

      Typical liberal ME, more concerned with who will be blamed for failure than in wishing for success. Disgusting.

      Keep believing that “sunni’s and shia’s won’t mix” BS. Contrary to all evidence that shows that these allegedly ramrod straight ideologically pure Islamists are willing and indeed do cross these political and religious lines to cooperate against the “great satan” US. Remember that the phrase “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” is an Arab saying to begin with. 8-|

    15. Severian says:

      To add: Yeah ME, that explains why Shia Iran is supporting and guiding the efforts of both the Sunni and Shia in Iraq. And why Shia Iran harbors Al Queda terrorists that are Wahhabi. And why secular Hussein and Sunni Iraq were involved with Al Queda prior to the war, but then, you liberals never have opened your eyes on that one, instead insisting on deliberately promulgating the lie that they weren’t involved with each other, despite documented evidence to the contrary.

      You so desperately want the Republicans to fail at this you are willing to believe anything but the facts. Nice comment about armchair generals, coming from a liberal Monday Morning Quarterback, that’s really a stinging comment. 8-|

    16. NC Cop says:

      Oh, thank you, ME for making it simple for me. Since I spent 14 months in Iraq I was so confused as to what was going on over there. How many months have you spent in Iraq?

      Given these facts, NC Cop’s assertion that Iraq will fall to al queda is absurd. It makes no sense from a factual perspective.

      In case you haven’t noticed, in all your research from the comfort of your sofa, religious extremists don’t exactly act in a “factual” or even logical way. Suppposedly, Saddam didn’t like Al Qaeda, but it didnt’ stop him from coming to an agreement with them and even offer future training grounds for them.

      In other words, ME, people like this can unite when it comes to hating the United States. If you think for a second that Al Qaeda won’t declare victory and use it as propoganda if we fail in Iraq, then you’re living in a fantasy world.
      But then again, it sounds like your living in a fantasy world already.

      Good luck with that.

    17. ME says:

      “Typical liberal ME, more concerned with who will be blamed for failure than in wishing for success.”

      Hey, I want success just like any other American, I didn’t know I was obliged to state the obvious. I also would love to win the lottery, become a big movie star, maybe own a pony (or better yet, a unicorn!). And for the record, you and many others have been blaming liberals for the loss in Vietnam, and now Iraq (by claiming that we only lose by pulling out). So I don’t want to pull out. If we lose this thing (which in my mind we already have), I want the right-wing to accept their failure as theirs and noone else’s. Then in 25 years when you want to drag the country into another misadventure, maybe some on your own side will see the folly (because they won’t be too busy blaming liberals for the loss of the last two wars).

      “evidence that shows that these allegedly ramrod straight ideologically pure Islamists are willing and indeed do cross these political and religious lines to cooperate against the “great satan” US”

      What evidence? The sunni and shia are cooperating against the US in Iraq? It’s true that sunni and shiia terrorist groups have collaborated…but not in Iraq. In Iraq they are in a battle for political control that has resulted in death squads on both sides…just in case you forgot or haven’t read the news for 2 years.

      “that explains why Shia Iran is supporting and guiding the efforts of both the Sunni and Shia in Iraq.”

      There is no need to explain it because there is no evidence for it. The Iranians have a clear motivation to support the shiite militias, not the sunnis. The only allegations of Iranian assistance to the sunnis has come from US and British military officials who admit they have no proof of the charge.

      “And why Shia Iran harbors Al Queda terrorists that are Wahhabi.”

      There is NO public evidence of this. Only vague statements from Rumsfeld and the WH. You’re free to believe vague statements with no evidence to back them up, but don’t expect me to buy it.

      “And why secular Hussein and Sunni Iraq were involved with Al Queda prior to the war”

      Are you referring to Atta’s meeting in prague that was “pretty well confirmed” before it was discovered to have “probably never happened”? Or are you referring to the Quaeda training camp in KURDISH (meaning, not controlled by Saddam) territory?

      The fact that you consistently trumpet “facts” which have no evidence behind them is troubling. Blind acceptance of the words spoken by government officials does you no good. I’m guessing you believed santorum when he claimed we found WMD too.

    18. ME says:

      ” If you think for a second that Al Qaeda won’t declare victory and use it as propoganda if we fail in Iraq”

      They already are. It was one of the reasons we shouldn’t have invaded to begin with, not a reason to stay.

    19. Severian says:

      Damn, NC Cop! How dare you bring personal experience and observation into this! Don’t you know you can tell what the whole world is like just by thinking about it? The liberals have taken the old Aristolean conceit and raised it to an art form.

    20. Severian says:

      ME obviously only accepts or reads news that has been party approved, pre-masticated for easy digestion. The “proof” is out there, though it doesn’t get MSM coverage, so that means it doesn’t exist? Seems to me they just captured several Iranians in Iraq, and found documentation of their involvement with both Shia and Sunni, which was a surprise. Oops, that came from the US government, those liars, not the honest and trustworthy NYT.

      ME, there is ample evidence of everything I said, in translated documents, from the horses mouth so to speak. I’m also betting you’re one of those astute liberals who attempted to explain away over 500 chemical munitions as “old and safe.”

      People like you, who for petty partisan reasons are completely unwilling or unable to recognize the nature of the threat against us, who will be the death of Western civilization.

    21. Severian says:

      Just an addendum, ME, people like you were full of “noble” and “well reasoned” explanations of exactly why we should withdraw from Vietnam, the Domino Theory was bull, etc. etc. ad nauseum, ad infinitum. After Vietnam fell, Laos and Cambodia fell…what was that about the Domino Theory being bull again? And thanks to the efforts of your fellow travelers, after Vietnam fell, which occurred after your fellow Democrats managed to defund the war (sound familiar) it resulted in 3-4 million dead in SE Asia.

      But that doesn’t matter eh? You all showed those evil Republicans what’s what didn’t you, got us out of a war you didn’t want to fight. Try not to break your arm patting yourself on the back…

      If you succeed in turning Iraq into another Vietnam, in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, things will be orders of magnitude worse. The North Vietnamese never attacked the US homeland, nor did they ever have any intention of doing so, the Islamists have proven they harbor no such lack of ambition.

      Throughout your entire posts in this thread of you don’t want to win, no matter what lip service you pay to it, you want this to be a failure to teach the Republicans a lesson. You said it yourself:

      I want the right-wing to accept their failure as theirs and no one else’s.

      No matter what other BS you try and sling, this is the relevant point, you are a petty and vindictive partisan hack. You care nothing for the US, despite your protestations to the contrary, you care nothing for the Iraqi people who will suffer immensely if this thing goes completely south, all you care about is teaching the right wing a lesson. Again, you are disgusting in the extreme.

    22. Severian says:

      Hey, NC Cop, don’t you just love it when some liberal keyboard kommando comes in and sniffs, with such a supercilious air, that only the “facts” as they see them are correct? What you experienced and saw is of course wrong. With a wave of a hand and a “that’s been disproven” they raise their pinkies, and all contrary evidence is supposed to just vanish due to their all encompassing insight and superior intellect.

      If the facts don’t fit their agenda, they don’t exist. ME is a prime example of Orwellian Minitruth at work.

    23. NC Cop says:

      It was one of the reasons we shouldn’t have invaded to begin with, not a reason to stay.

      Hindsight is always 20/20 isn’t it ME. It’s so easy to sit there and be a, what was it you referred to me as, oh yes, an armchair general. Unless, of course, you knew all these things were going to happen ahead of time. In that case you are quite the fortune teller.

      We went into Iraq because of their WMD and their support of terrorism. I honestly thought that 9/11 showed people that ignoring threats leads to disaster, but I guess there are still those that believe that we should wait until 3,000 people are slaughtered before we take action. How sad.

      Perhaps, ME, you can tell us what we should have done? How should we have dealt with Al Qaeda? How should we have dealt with Iraq? Iran? Please, enlighten us all with some more of your infinite wisdom.

      Damn, NC Cop! How dare you bring personal experience and observation into this!

      I know, Sev, I’m sorry. Far be it from me to disagree with people like Richard Belzer and ME who obviously know alot more about Iraq than I. It is apparent that reading alot of newspapers and magazines is far more important than actually spending time in the country. Just ask ME.

    24. ME says:

      “People like you, who for petty partisan reasons are completely unwilling or unable to recognize the nature of the threat against us, who will be the death of Western civilization.”

      The only threat I fear is nuclear terrorism. Everything else is small beans in comparison and doesn’t really scare me. That said, they could probably never get their hands on enough nukes to cause the “death of western civilization”, so you do sound a little nuts to me on that front.

      The only sensible way to deal with that threat is to counter proliferation and scan EVERY cargo container that enters this country for radiation. That could be accomplished for less than the cost of the Iraq war.

      Instead we have the policies of GWB, which make us less safe, but keep WalMart’s bottom line looking good.

      Who is it that doesn’t understand the nature of the threat?

      As for the Iranian’s caught in Iraq:

      “The source was careful to stress that the Iranian plans do not extend to cooperation with Baathist groups fighting the government in Baghdad, and said the documents rather show how the Quds Force — the arm of Iran’s revolutionary guard that supports Shiite Hezbollah, Sunni Hamas, and Shiite death squads — is working with individuals affiliated with Al Qaeda in Iraq and Ansar al-Sunna.”

      So when you say that Iran is helping the sunnis, you need to be clear that they are helping Quaeda, not the sunni bathists (which the shiia militias are killing). None of this contradicts or disproves anything I’ve said.

      It’s absurd to think that al-quaeda could ever take over Iraq. They are foreigners, they are the minority of the minority. They are touble makers, yes, but they are incapable of becoming powerful in Iraq.

      And for the record, I’ve had enough arguments with people on both the left and right to know I’m not a partisan nutjob. Also, all my predictions regarding Iraq have turned out to be right, while all the right’s predictions have been wrong. How many times do you righties have to be predictably wrong before you reconsider things?

      Evolution? Bullsh*t!
      Geology? All wrong!
      Global Warming? Conspiracy!
      Jesus? Why he’s a real 2000 year old magic carpenter who flew up to heaven! and he’s coming back, soon! and all those other ancient myths about miracle-making messiahs born of virgins who flew to heaven (mythras for example)? Those were planted by the devil to fool you! Fossils? planted by the Devil!

      and I’m the partisan incapable of individual thought. laughable.

      You must have some capacity to understand why this all seems so utterly rediculous to me, but I won’t count on it.

    25. NC Cop says:

      It’s absurd to think that al-quaeda could ever take over Iraq. They are foreigners, they are the minority of the minority.

      Right. So the fact that the Sunnis, who are the minority in Iraq, have enjoyed ruling Iraq for the last 30 years or so, is of no consequence. I think that proves that the minority can rule the majority, don’t you?

      Where did you get the idea that Sunnis in Iraq don’t like the Sunnis in Al Qaeda because they are foreigners?! That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.

      Perhaps you could post some links to all of your so called “evidence”. That would help alot.

      I really don’t think you want to get into the topic of conspiracy nuts, considering your buddies on the left have blamed Bush for everything from 9/11 to hurricanes.

      Not really sure why you drag religion into the argument, other than to try and change the topic, which is a typical tactic of the left. I’m still waiting on you to tell us of your experiences in Iraq.

      Also, all my predictions regarding Iraq have turned out to be right,

      Well I guess we’ll just have to take your word on that, won’t we?

      How many times do you righties have to be predictably wrong before you reconsider things?

      I seem to recall alot of democrats/liberals who were talking about the threat Iraq posed before we ever set foot in Iraq. Yes, I know, they didn’t get the right intelligence. I’m aware of that BS excuse that seemed to get all of them off the hook.

      How many times do you lefties have to be wrong and cost the lives of thousands before you admit that burying your head in the sand, doesn’t solve the problems?

      Perhaps you can explain how Ethiopia’s Christian army was able to drive the extremists out of Somalia by FORCE so effectively?

    26. ME says:

      Perhaps you could post some links to all of your so called “evidence”. That would help alot.

      OK. Here’s one.

      So the fact that the Sunnis, who are the minority in Iraq, have enjoyed ruling Iraq for the last 30 years or so, is of no consequence. I think that proves that the minority can rule the majority, don’t you?

      A 30% sunni minority, sure. But I was talking about the minority of the minority (qaeda, not baathists)…qaeda in Iraq is less than 1% of the population.

      Of course regardless of all that, the Shiia will win in Iraq. They are already in control politically, and only need to kill off or marginalize enough Suniis to consolidate power. It may take 20 years, but it’ll happen eventually.

      So who do you want to win in Iraq? Iran, or qaeda? Since Severian was arguing they are all in cahoots against the US anyway, I suppose the best option for the US would be a secular sunni government, as they would not kowtow to qaeda or Iran. Oh, wait, that’s right…we’re the ones who took out the secular baathist regime and created this mess in the first place.

      As for the religion thing… I was just pointing out the various ways that conservatives either deny or construct their own provably false version of reality.

      Perhaps you can explain how Ethiopia’s Christian army was able to drive the extremists out of Somalia by FORCE so effectively?

      I don’t know why I’d have to explain, but what the hell… the muslim extremists in Somalia, just like in Afghanistan, were in charge of the official infrastructure. They manned classical defensive posts that could serve as targets. It wasn’t guerrilla warfare. It was conventional warfare. The type we and other conventional forces are good at fighting. No one argued we couldn’t take out Saddam’s army, or qaeda in afghanistan…it’s the whole guerrilla insurgency thing that we (and every other conventional army in the history of the world) can’t win.

      The last time we were in Somalia, we were fighting warlords… the same ones we gave financial aid to in a failed attempt to have them fight the extremists taking over. It was republicans who demanded that Bill Clinton pull out right away back then. 19 soldiers dead were too many. Now you crow about how 3,000 isn’t that big of a deal.

      I’m all about using FORCE to project power. I think the US prevents more deaths and more wars than it creates. But wrong is wrong, and I’m not afraid to say so. This war is toast. finito. over. Bush lost the war. There is no turning point ahead. How many more years will you stay there, with no progress, before you’ll accept that we can’t fix it? Who’s responsiblity will the extra few thousand dead american troops be when you realize it’s a bust? It won’t be Cindy Sheehan’s.

    27. NC Cop says:

      Wow, you found an article from a British newspaper in which ONE Sunni insurgent leader doesn’t like Al Qaeda. Well that proves it. Perhaps you missed this little gem in that article:

      Al-Qaida forces in Iraq – forces that are, at least on paper, allies of the Sunni insurgents

      You see, ME, in case you don’t understand, that means that the Sunnis in Iraq and Al Qaeda ARE allies. Certain Sunnis in Iraq may not like it, but they are working together. Get it?

      It was republicans who demanded that Bill Clinton pull out right away back then.

      That is a flat out lie. After Clinton spewed that crap it was disproven the next day. Sorry. The soldiers in Somalia asked for armor and air support and it was denied by ol’ Billy who was afraid it was too much. You can chalk those 19 soldiers up to him. Somalia then fell into the hands of the extremists and were removed by force.

      Now you crow about how 3,000 isn’t that big of a deal.

      Please show me in my previous post where I said anything about 3,000 not being a big deal. If anything I’m the one saying that it was too many, due to the incompetence of the Clinton administration. You are the one who said the only terrorism you fear is nuclear terrorism. Check me on this but the terrorists didn’t need nukes to slaughter those people on 9/11.

      It’s obvious that facts are of little consequence to you, ME. You seem to be representative of most liberals who only hear what they want to hear. So, continue to bury your head and pretend the threats don’t exist. Then when they strike, pull your head out long enough to cry “how did this happen?!” and find the nearest Republican to blame. I really hope people like you wake up before it’s too late. It seems that the Congress and Senate are now controlled by people who think the same way as you do. That’s what terrifies me.

      I’m through with you, ME. Enjoy your little fantasy world that you have created and just pray that Al Qaeda doesn’t come calling. Oh, that’s right, according to you they’re not a threat unless they are nuclear.

    28. Severian says:

      I see ME is using the usual liberal argument technique of attempting to deflect and introduce other subjects. Kind of like trying to nail jello to a wall ain’t it NC Cop?

      ME, you bring absolutely nothing new to the party. We’ve seen every single thing you’ve said before, from people both wittier than you and stupider than you, but the song remains the same. Same lies, same obsfucation, same distortions all wrapped up in a self-righteous, sanctimonius, narcissistic, and nihilistic package. Same immature, selfish, juvenile attitude. You care nothing about the Iraqis, nothing about the troops and people who have sacrificed and suffered trying to solve this problem. You and your ilk are really good at paying lip service to this, you whine and wheedle that it’s you who really “care” about the troops and the poor Iraqis as you try and throw them all under the bus.

      You only care about casualties, both ours and Iraqi, because it gives you a lever you can use to tug on the heartstrings of others, you don’t give a damn about them other than as tools to accomplish your defeatist agenda. Same as in Vietnam, your kind didn’t give a damn about the massive destruction and death that occurred after you managed to get all support for the South Vietnamese withdrawn.

      You’ve said it yourself, you want the right wing to pay for this. You are really dedicated to destroying your enemies, unfortunately for the country and the world you view your fellow countrymen as your enemies, not the brutal, vicious Islamist thugs who started this war and who want all of our heads. And you’re petty and vindictive enough you are willing to sacrifice both blood and security to get your way. You honestly are like children, the past 3 years of this war have been like a long road trip with a back seat full of whiney 6 year olds. Are we there yet, you bleat, it’s hard, you whine, I don’t wanna gooooo, I’m tiiiired, you shriek, all the time kicking the back of the seat, trying to get the adults to throw up their hands and finally say “OK that’s it, I’m turning this car around right now!” Only this isn’t a vacation trip to Wally World, this is a deadly serious business, and you children are interfering with the heavy lifting the adults are trying to accomplish.

      So, continue to bleat all you want, we’ve seen and heard it all before. Contrary to your belief, you are neither a stunning intellect or a first class forensic debater, but yet another callous, shallow, unoriginal person parroting the party line. I swear, if one of managed to come up with a single original thought or argument I’d probably die of shock.

      You and your ilk are still repugnant back stabbers, disloyal to the country that succors you.

    29. CaptainVideo says:

      As some astute observers have pointed out, being criticised from the left for not going far enough is actually beneficial to the Democrats in Congress because it permits them to frame their own postions and policies, as moderate, sesible, reasonable, and centrist. The criticisms from the left help move the American public’s perception of where the moderate center is farther to the left, so that policies that had previously been seen as leftist become perceived as moderately liberal. The Republicans have similarly benefitted from criticisms by the far right that they have not gone far enough.

    30. ralphie says:

      you guys are all dupes. Bin Laden is alive and well after Bushie gave him a nice head start, and Afghanistan is a Taliban playground again because we’re sucked down in a civil war where everybody hates us.

      NC cop” Oh, thank you, ME for making it simple for me. Since I spent 14 months in Iraq I was so confused as to what was going on over there. How many months have you spent in Iraq?”

      ok NC, Paul Hackett spent a few months in Iraq I’d say and does his opinion count? Can you come up with something besides he’s just a traitor? You don’t know what has happened to the Fourth Amendment as a result of Jose Padilla, do you? And since you swore to “uphold and defend the Constitution” when you went in then some might say you’re the traitor. Bin Laden got exactly what he wanted: to get rid of our freedoms. The pity is he didn’t HAVE to do it, we did it to ourselves when all we had was, yes, a LAW ENFORCEMENT problem of an international gang that we should have run down a long time ago, with Special Forces and the world’s help. Instead we pop off and invade Iraq.

    31. Severian says:

      Interesting observation CaptainVideo. The way the Dems quickly vacated the lectern, turning it over to the ever screeching Jihad Cindy, seems to me, upon further viewing, to be a tad too slick and quick, almost contrived. Your comment is just Machievelian enough to be true, I put nothing past the Democrats. How did she and her protesters get in? Who got them in and to the place in the right place to do this? Remember that she, along with other moonbat nuts, have been given passes to get them into events, such as the inauguration and State of the Union Address, before by ultra-left Democrat politicians. This may be what it seems on the surface, nothing more than a backlash by the nutroots against the Dems, or it could be an orchestrated attempt to make the Dems look centrist, or it could be infighting between the Dems (moonbat vs. moonbat lights).

    32. NC Cop says:

      Can you come up with something besides he’s just a traitor?

      Hey chief, can you show me where I called him a traitor? Didn’t think so. Try and actually read the posts before you fly off the handle, ok? It’s called a differnece of opinion, look it up.

      And since you swore to “uphold and defend the Constitution” when you went in then some might say you’re the traitor.

      I have no idea what this is supposed to mean, try again.

      Bin Laden got exactly what he wanted: to get rid of our freedoms.

      Really? I keep hearing about him and his group wanting to wipe Israel and the U.S. off the map. Still haven’t heard anything about them trying to get rid of our freedoms? Nice try, though.

      The pity is he didn’t HAVE to do it, we did it to ourselves when all we had was, yes, a LAW ENFORCEMENT problem

      Precisely the kind of thinking that led to the deaths of 3,000 people on 9/11. So we should have tried to arrest Bin Laden and his group rather than destroy them? Brilliant plan. Were you on Clinton’s cabinet?

      Instead we pop off and invade Iraq.

      Oh, I know. After only 12 short years of Saddam flipping off the U.N. and their inspectors we fly off the handle and invade for no reason.