Sister Toldjah!
4/17/2006 - 11:16 am

The AP is reporting this morning that a Hamas suicide bomber has struck in Tel Aviv, killing 8 and wounding 49 (as of this writing):

TEL AVIV, Israel - A Palestinian suicide bomber blew himself up outside a fast-food restaurant in a bustling commercial area of Tel Aviv during the Passover holiday Monday, killing eight other people and wounding at least 49, police said. Israeli Prime Minister-designate Ehud Olmert said Israel would respond “as necessary.”

“We shall, of course, continue to use all means at our disposal to prevent every other attempt,” he said.

Israeli defense chiefs were to consult later Monday, but security officials said a possible reoccupation of Gaza, the base of the new Hamas government, was not being considered.

The White House strongly condemned the attack, calling it “a despicable act of terror for which there is no excuse or justification.”

A security guard posted outside the restaurant, the target of a suicide bombing in January, prevented Monday’s bomber from entering the building, police said.

It was the first suicide attack in Israel since the Hamas militant group took over the Palestinian government 2 1/2 weeks ago. Hamas, which has killed hundreds of Israelis in attacks, has largely observed a cease-fire since February 2005.

The Islamic Jihad militant group, which is believed to be funded in part by Iran and refuses to observe a cease-fire, claimed responsibility in a telephone call to The Associated Press. The group identified the bomber as Sami Salim Mohammed Hammed, from the West Bank town of Jenin.

Well, the question as to whether or not Hamas is funded “in part” by Iran has been answered. Via the BBC:

Iran will donate $50m (£28m) to help fund the Palestinian Authority, after the withdrawal of aid from the West, the Iranian government has announced.

The US and EU cut funding after Hamas - which they consider a terrorist group - won Palestinian elections in January.

Iran’s pledge followed a visit from top Hamas official Khaled Meshaal, after the group appealed to Muslim nations to help make up the shortfall.

On Saturday Russia said it would also grant financial aid.

Mr Meshaal, at a fundraising event in the Iranian capital, Tehran, said the Palestinian administration was $1.7bn in debt.

He said a further $170m a month was needed to run the administration, out of which $115m went to paying salaries.

The EU gives about 500m euros ($600m) a year to the Palestinian Authority, but said last week that aid would be suspended.

Hamas has refused EU demands to recognise Israel and renounce violence.

The US Treasury this week further tightened the screws on Palestinian cash by banning American nationals from doing business with the Hamas-led authority.

‘Work with Hamas’

Iran’s Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said Iran was determined to help the Palestinians.

“I am honoured to announce that Iran has donated $50m to help the Palestinian nation,” he said in a televised speech.

“We warn that if the aid is cut and if this continues in the near future, this land will witness a humanitarian disaster,” he added.

Don’t be fooled into thinking this aid has just now started flowing in. Iran has made no secret of its feelings for Israel many times over and as we all know Israel and Hamas’ history so I have little doubt that money has been flowing to Hamas via the Iranian government for decades - considering they both have a common enemy: Israel.

Hamas is also backing Iran in the continuing nuclear standoff between Iran and the West:

TEHRAN (AFP) - Palestinian militant leaders have rallied behind Iran, vowing to resist pressure to recognise Israel and supporting the Islamic republic in its stand-off with the West over its nuclear programme.

Hamas supremo Khaled Meshaal vowed that the new Palestinian government will not recognise Israel, regardless of mounting international pressure on the militant group to do so — sticking with the tough position supported by Iran’s leadership.

“The pressure is aimed at making us change our political position, to recognise Israel and to give up the rights of the Palestinians. But Hamas will not give in to the pressure and will not recognise Israel,” he told state television.

Needless to say, recent delcarations by the Iranian president have left western leaders deeply concerned:

Of all the claims that Iran made last week about its nuclear program, a one-sentence assertion by its president has provoked such surprise and concern among international nuclear inspectors they are planning to confront Tehran about it this week.

The assertion involves Iran’s claim that even while it begins to enrich small amounts of uranium, it is pursuing a far more sophisticated way of making atomic fuel that American officials and inspectors say could speed Iran’s path to developing a nuclear weapon.

Iran has consistently maintained that it abandoned work on this advanced technology, called the P-2 centrifuge, three years ago. Western analysts long suspected that Iran had a second, secret program — based on the black market offerings of the renegade Pakistani nuclear engineer Abdul Qadeer Khan — separate from the activity at its main nuclear facility at Natanz. But they had no proof.

Then on Thursday, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said that Tehran was “presently conducting research” on the P-2 centrifuge, boasting that it would quadruple Iran’s enrichment powers. The centrifuges are tall, thin machines that spin very fast to enrich, or concentrate, uranium’s rare component, uranium 235, which can fuel nuclear reactors or atom bombs.

Mr. Ahmadinejad’s statements, and those of other senior Iranian officials, are always viewed with suspicion by American and international nuclear experts, because Iran has, at various times, understated nuclear activities that were later discovered, and overstated its capabilities. Analysts and American intelligence officials, bruised by their experience in Iraq, say they are uncertain whether Mr. Ahmadinejad’s claim represents a real technical advance that could accelerate Iran’s nuclear agenda, or political rhetoric meant to convince the world of the unstoppability of its atomic program.

European diplomats said a delegation of Iranian officials is due to arrive on Tuesday in Vienna, where the International Atomic Energy Agency will press them to address the new enrichment claim, as well as other questions about Iran’s program, including a crude bomb design found in the country.

“This is a much better machine,” a European diplomat said of the advanced centrifuge, which was a centerpiece of Pakistan’s efforts to build its nuclear weapons and was found in 2004 in Libya, when that country gave up its nuclear program. The diplomat added that the Iranians, among other questions, will now have to explain whether Mr. Ahmadinejad was right, and if so, whether they recently restarted the abandoned program or have been pursuing it in secret for years.

If Iran moved beyond research and actually began running the machines, it could force American intelligence agencies to revise their estimates of how long it would take for Iran to build an atom bomb — an event they now put somewhere between 2010 and 2015.

Thanks (or would that be a “no thanks”?) to Sy Hersh, we know that the US is already taking active steps in an attempt to thwart Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

Regarding the suicide bomber attack in Tel Aviv, Israel’s Interim Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was quoted as saying:

Interim Prime Minister Ehud Olmert responded to the first terror attack of his short tenure by saying that, “We will know how to respond. We know what to do.”

Indeed. And they also know how to deal with Iran, too, should it be necessary.

On a related note, Iranian officials are claiming to have 40,000 suicide bombers ready to strike at US and British targets if their is a strike against their (Iran’s) nuclear sites:

IRAN has formed battalions of suicide bombers to strike at British and American targets if the nation’s nuclear sites are attacked. According to Iranian officials, 40,000 trained suicide bombers are ready for action.

The main force, named the Special Unit of Martyr Seekers in the Revolutionary Guards, was first seen last month when members marched in a military parade, dressed in olive-green uniforms with explosive packs around their waists and detonators held high.

Dr Hassan Abbasi, head of the Centre for Doctrinal Strategic Studies in the Revolutionary Guards, said in a speech that 29 western targets had been identified: “We are ready to attack American and British sensitive points if they attack Iran’s nuclear facilities.” He added that some of them were “quite close” to the Iranian border in Iraq.

In a tape recording heard by The Sunday Times, Abbasi warned the would-be martyrs to “pay close attention to wily England” and vowed that “Britain’s demise is on our agenda”.

At a recruiting station in Tehran recently, volunteers for the force had to show their birth certificates, give proof of their address and tick a box stating whether they would prefer to attack American targets in Iraq or Israeli targets.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad warned last Friday that Israel was heading towards “annihilation”. He was speaking at a Tehran conference on Palestinian rights aimed at promoting Iran as a new Middle Eastern superpower.

Iran and Hamas are both playing with fire here - literally - and if they keep it up, they’re going to get burned.

Very badly.

It goes without saying, of course, that it will happen without the help of the UN.

Just out of curiosity, I wonder if the NYTimes is still holding strong as to its position on condemning the US and Israel for their stances on Hamas? Not likely.

Read more commentary on this via Captain Ed, Michelle Malkin, Blog For All, Stop The ACLU, Meryl Yourish, In the Bullpen, Moderate Voice, James Joyner, Junkyard Blog

Related Toldjah So posts on Iran:

Related Toldjah So posts on Hamas:

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Comments
  1. There will be no war in Iran, hard as the Rightwing in the USA tries to have one. First, of all Hamas is a creature of Israel. Israel supported Hamas in it’s beginings as a counter-weight to the PLO–look it up. Secondly, today’s bombing,which must be condemned, was the work of Islamic Jihad and not Hamas. Hamas has declared a truce. Islamic Jihad last week announced that they were going to bomb Israel, for those paying attention. Iran supports Hezbollah in Lebanon and is only funding the Palestianian government now, as is Russia, so that the territoties do not descend into chaos and people are killed. Shame on the Zionist neo-cons. Peace

    Comment by steve @ 4/17/2006 - 11:56 am


  2. - Steve, you wouldn’t know a Zionist Neocon if one bit you on the ass. If you’re going to spout historical nonsense here, at least get it right. the Zionists, whose only real aim was Isreali independence, were formed and existed 1000 years ago. The small gaggle of followers today are insignificant, something like the American Anarchists. If you’re going to choose boogeymen to set up as your “Bad guy” strawman, at least pick a group that has some importance.

    - And as far as Hamas, you’re lying there also. the only implication in what you claim thats true is under peaceful conditions, Hamas and Hezbollah would be in conflict for power.

    - The bomber was identified: “The group identified the bomber as Sami Salim Mohammed Hammed, from the West Bank town of Jenin.”

    - What part of that didn’t you understand.

    - You continue to play games with the facts on the ground, as if keeping up a running narative of patchwork lies and manufactured inter-connections, where none exist, is somehow going to be accepted eventually if you just keep repeating them. Marx would be proud. Liberty

    - Bang **==

    Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 4/17/2006 - 12:20 pm


  3. “Hamas is a creature of Israel” and steve(fn) is a creature of a petri dish. BTW genius, the “territoties” descended into chaos and people have been being killed for quite some time now. Didn’t Kos read you the memo?

    Comment by forest hunter @ 4/17/2006 - 12:22 pm


  4. Zionists,1896,Herzl. They control the Likud Party in Israel. That was Sharon’s party. It is now Neten-yahoo’s party. Today’s Zionists are liars who believe the ends justify the means and they are violent warmongers who believe in retribution. Peace

    Comment by steve @ 4/17/2006 - 1:34 pm


  5. Right, steve, and I’m sure that none of that money will be used for carrying out suicide attacks on civilian targets. How naive you are. If I didn’t think you believed every word you said, you would be amusing.

    I don’t think there will be a war in Iran as far as having troops on the ground. I’m just curious to see how the liberals/left will handle the situation when Iran finally gets a nuclear weapon and wipes out Tel Aviv or perhaps even an American base in the region. Of course, they will just crawl out of their holes long enough to blame conservatives and to demand why nothing was done earlier. Unbelievable.

    Comment by NC Cop @ 4/17/2006 - 2:14 pm


  6. steve(FN), the biggest liar we’ve seen on the subject of Israel is you.

    Comment by PCD @ 4/17/2006 - 2:15 pm


  7. Iran is giving HAMAS money to help innocent people.
    When will all of you learn to see the truth?

    Comment by Muslim Unity @ 4/17/2006 - 4:06 pm


  8. Yeah, to help those “innocent” people buy more semtex and detonators. After all, nails and ball bearings ain’t easy to get in quantity in Palestine. Iran hasn’t cared about anything but terror and destruction for decades. I doubt they’d give the Palestinians a red cent if they thought it’d go for something other than suicide bombers and attacks on Israel.

    When are you going to wake up to the fact that your fellow Muslims are, for the most part, acting like a bunch of barbarians with no interest in peace.

    Comment by Severian @ 4/17/2006 - 4:28 pm


  9. - A Palestinian moron lobs a rocket into my house in Isreali territory, killing severel people in my family, for not a damn reason in this world, and you have the stones to say I don’t have reason to retaliate.

    - Steve you’re a seditious left-wing idiot, and an anti-semetic. I hope you get what you deserve with all the fake peace talk.

    - Bang **==

    Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 4/17/2006 - 5:28 pm


  10. - Oh and before you post any more examples of your limited education, Herzl is talking about the “modern” Zionist party that has only the name in common with the ancient version. the modern Zionists have nothing to do with the original extremist group, but you lefties will lie and take anything you can get, as long as it suits your purpose. Modern Zionism’s only goal is Isreali independence, and freedom from constant attack from the intolorant murdering Islamic maniacs.

    - Again you lie.

    - Bang **==

    Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 4/17/2006 - 5:53 pm


  11. “intolorant murdering Islamic maniacs”, you mean the people whose land was stolen to set up the state of Israel? The millions of people who were herded into refugee camps, having lost all of their land,homes and possessions. And whose children and grandchildren are in those camps to this very day. Are those the people that you are referring to? Peace

    Comment by steve @ 4/17/2006 - 7:41 pm


  12. >you mean the people whose land was stolen to set up
    >the state of Israel

    No, steve, he means the scumbags who blow up innocent civilians in a sandwich shop because of a made-up fairy-tale that they used to “own” some empty land.

    Comment by CavalierX @ 4/17/2006 - 7:56 pm


  13. >millions of people who were herded into refugee camps

    Holy cow, steve, have you been smoking crack? No one “herded” the Egyptians and Jordanians squatting on that land anywhere except in your imagination. Man, you really swallow everything the Left feeds you without question, don’t you?

    Comment by CavalierX @ 4/17/2006 - 8:02 pm


  14. - Actually I’m glad you posted that little screed Steve, because thats the biggest fabrication of all. Prior to ‘48 there was no “Palistine” as such. If you knew a damn thing about history, you’d see how silly you look. the “Palistinians” were the Jews in The territory of Isreal, living together with the nomadic arab/bedouin tribes. The “Stolen land” you speak of is a figment of the Jihadists imagination. Maybe you’re reffering to the Spanish area’s that the Muslims also claim. They’re lying jackasses and so are you. Spare us any more of your dumbass Liberal talking points and go learn some history.

    - Bang **==

    Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 4/17/2006 - 9:45 pm


  15. Bang, Steve(fn) falls into one of two categories the first is Ignorant:
    1. Lacking education or knowledge.
    2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
    3. Unaware or uninformed.
    The second would be Stupid:
    1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
    2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
    3. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake.
    4. Dazed, stunned, or stupefied.
    5. Pointless; worthless: a stupid job.

    I believe Steve(fn) falls into the second category and it is bad enough he is incapable of learning but he is also a myrmidon.

    Comment by Jim M @ 4/18/2006 - 9:28 am


  16. Steve wrote, “you mean the people whose land was stolen to set up the state of Israel?

    Muslims/Arabs have 100 times more land than Israel. They surround the Jewish state with plenty of land. I’m not sure why you are whining about stolen land and giving CREDIBILITY to murdering, suicide bombing, killing, terrorists. They have NO point. They don’t have credibility. For you Steve to give them credibility is to add to the bloodbath. Good luck with that.

    Steve wrote the following false accusations to which he couldn’t back up with any credible evidence:
    “The millions of people who were herded into refugee camps”
    “having lost all of their land,homes and possessions.”

    BTW, There are Muslims in Israel. There are muslim voters, workers, employees, politicians.

    I’m not sure why you characterize things the way you do. Yes, boundaries had to be established as well as checkpoints because security had to be maintained. You’ll see people referring to those checkpoints as humiliating. I say they slow down the bloodbath due to the hate and propoganda taught to Palestinian children from birth. Mothers want for their sons to do the ultimate sacrifice. It is sick.

    Comment by Baklava @ 4/18/2006 - 10:57 am


  17. There were Muslims living with the Jews in what is now Israel before Israel was created. When it was, the Jewish residents of the new state urged the Muslims and others to not panic, but stay and contribute to the new society they were building, stressing that they were valuable contributers to the new state. Instead of a nice peaceful transition (no surprise considering Muslims were involved) the surrounding Arab states attacked Israel, starting a war. The reason there were so many Muslims and other “Palestinians” displaced is that they were fleeing the war started by the Arabs. After Israel won the war, then there were tons of refugees with no place to live. Here again, the fault lies with the Muslims and the Arab states themselves, after creating the chaos that caused the refugee problem in the first place, they then kept these people in refugee camps rather than letting them integrate into the rest of the population, as it was a way of keeping things in crisis and creating a group who would hate Israel and contribute to keeping the focus off their own attrocious behavior.

    But nooo, to people of steve’s ilk, it’s all the fault of the dirty Joooooos! Once again, the Left’s ugly racism and anti-Semitism rear their ugly heads again.

    Comment by Severian @ 4/18/2006 - 11:23 am


  18. Yes. The Joooos. Name calling is Steve’s great contribution.

    Link where some Palestiniansare shown to prefer Israel. It shows that Palestinians who work in Israel earn 5 times more income than those who work in “Palestine” which didn’t exist before Israel.

    Additionally, they have representation in Israel’s government.

    Comment by Baklava @ 4/18/2006 - 11:34 am


  19. Yes, it certainly is better in this world to be an Israeli rather than a Palestinian, Baklava.

    One other little point. Many Palestinians were living in refugee camps long before the 6 day war.

    And what does it matter that Muslims and Arabs have much more land than Israel? If world events shoved all the French out of France, would there be justification in declaring that Christians have lots of land, so what’s the problem? I think the French would still want France back. Yes?

    Comment by solitaire @ 4/18/2006 - 12:08 pm


  20. On June 1st,under UN mandate, the states of North & South Carolina, will become the Indian Nation and will be controlled entirely as an Indian entity. Anyone presently living in either state can remain their, but after June 1st, they will become Indian citizens and will no longer be considered American citizens. No problem, right? Peace

    Comment by steve @ 4/18/2006 - 12:25 pm


  21. solitaire. The point is that there was NO Palestine before Israel existed. This is the reason for the major disagreement. It isn’t a clear cut “oh, the U.N. carved Israel out of what was Palenstine and the Palestinians just want it back and are therefore justified to bomb the occupiers”

    The left (who generally gets this wrong) give credibility for hate and terror on this issue. The solution is NOT for Israel to abandon their country. The solution IS a 2 state solution which muslims and Arabs will NOT be happy with. Do you recognize the problem or will you continue to be negligent and not do research.

    No Problem Steve. We now have the precedent. We will just target/bomb innocent civilians at their cafes and weddings and batmizvah’s and teach hate to our children from birth. Our mothers will be proud that their sons blew themselves up in crowds of people. We will have credibility with people like you.

    BTW, Your analogy doesn’t hold water. And that is the point. It doesn’t compare with Israel’s formation. And even if it did is your solution that Israel abandon Israel completely? Let us all know please.

    Comment by Baklava @ 4/18/2006 - 12:41 pm


  22. Steve(fn) do they have running water where you are? If they do, stagger down to the creek and wash your face. Consider it a multi-tasking event. You’ll be able to get both ends simultaneously.

    Comment by forest hunter @ 4/18/2006 - 1:15 pm


  23. Wow, great posting! It is quite comprehensive. Do not forget however that Iran does not need to fund the Palestinian Authority directly to prove their terrorist funding capability. Hezbollah has been under direct Iranian control for years. Tehran provides money, weapons and training in the best methods to kill Israelis. Details on new Iranian-funded Hezbollah initiatives can be found in the posting, Hezbollah’s Intelligence?.

    Comment by Andrew of Arabia @ 4/18/2006 - 1:45 pm


  24. - I’m sure Steve is covering his eyes and singing lalalalala, afraid to learn anything that ceiples his already closed, cripled minds and the Leftist screeds that have been planted there, but I’ll mention this anyway, just so maybe, just maybe he’ll come to understand how feckless and wrong the lefts common memes concerning “Palestine”/Arabs/Bedouins/Jooooossss really is.

    - Do you have a clue as to where the name “Palestine” originated, and who were the people called Palestinians, why they were called that, what it means?

    - I’m going to enjoy your answer Steve-oh, because no matter how you try to spin it, its just gotta leave a mark. Good luck Sparky.

    - Bang **==

    Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 4/18/2006 - 2:47 pm


  25. - While you’re mulling over some way to evade the truth steve(fn) heres a bit of a history lesson on the Isreali/Palestine reality, instead of your communist pals version of things.

    Was there ever a state of Palestine? Did Israel conquer Palestine and replace it with a Jewish state?

    In the Six-Day War, Israel captured Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem. But they didn’t capture these territories from Yasser Arafat. They captured them from Jordan’s King Hussein. I can’t help but wonder why all these Palestinians suddenly discovered their national identity after Israel won the war.
    The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. …Palestine has never existed …as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.

    - Joseph Farah, Arab-American journalist,
    editor and CEO of WorldNetDaily

    Was there ever an area called Palestine?

    When Jews began to immigrate to Palestine in large numbers in 1882, fewer than 250,000 Arabs lived there, and the majority of them had arrived in recent decades. Palestine was never an exclusively Arab country, although Arabic gradually became the language of most the population after the Muslim invasions of the seventh century. No independent Arab or Palestinian state ever existed in Palestine. When the distinguished Arab-American historian, Princeton University Prof. Philip Hitti, testified against partition before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, he said: “There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ in history, absolutely not.” In fact, Palestine is never explicitly mentioned in the Koran, rather it is called “the holy land” (al-Arad al-Muqaddash).

    In a recent speech to the United Nations General Assembly, Yasser Arafat talked of “the need to realize justice for the Palestinian people, to restore their international status and their seat in the United Nations.” He referred to “our country, Palestine” and expressed the hope that it would be “restored its freedom.”

    The meaning of this message is clear: Palestine is a country that belonged to the Palestinians until it was invaded and usurped by the Jews. Jerusalem was the Palestinian capital now being Judaized by Israel. Justice will be served only if the Palestinians are allowed to re-establish their sovereignty in it.

    That all this is unadulterated fiction has not prevented many governments from accepting it. Nor has it deterred pundits from upbraiding Israel for failing to “give back” Palestinian land.

    In fact, there never has been a state called Palestine, nor have the Palestinian Arabs ever been an independent people, and Jerusalem never has been an Arab or Muslim capital. Jerusalem has had an absolute Jewish majority for more than a century (and a plurality before that), and for the last three thousand years, only the Jewish people have called it their capital….To inveigh against “Judaizing” Jerusalem is like protesting the Arabization of Cairo.

    - So Steve. there you go. Take your anti-semitism down the street, where your fellow bigots, all those “peace” loving people that have a habit of lying to stir up hate for innocents, believe all your garbage.

    - Bang **==

    Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 4/18/2006 - 3:03 pm


  26. There you go again,calling names that have no meaning. Most Arabs are semites, most Israeli Jews are Ashkenazi. The people who were living in the land we today call Israel were given no vote about Israel’s creation. Today the Zionists have built a giant wall around Israel which now looks, to all the world, like a ghetto. The same people who have given us the failed Israeli policy over the last 58 years, gave us Iraq. They are the neo-con/armageddonist/Zionist cabal. And BIG oil. Peace

    Comment by steve @ 4/18/2006 - 3:52 pm


  27. - Hmmmmm. You evaded and didn’t answer my question. Ashkenazi is one of the Jewish religious orders. Why even bring that up. Oh. I forgot. You never respond when you’re called out on your lies.

    - There were no “Palestinians” blockhead. There were small groups of arab/bedouin nomadic gypsy tribes that moved in and out of the region. the only “Palestinians”, if you insist on calling them that were the Jews in the area, dating back to Roman rule. The Romans were the ones who named them “Palestinians, which is the Roman bastardization of “Philistines”.

    - Arafat was full of crap to the rafters. He agrees to a settlement, which he really didn’t have any true claims too, and then a few days later decides to attack Isreal in cahoots with Egypt, Syria, Jordon, and our old friends the Russians. Then when they get their asses kicked, by a country smaller than any of them, they cry like babies that they lost their land, which was never theirs in the first place.

    - This whole bs claim was started by Jordon and Egypt, after vthe UN made the territory if Isreal official. It was sort of, “Hey damn, we havn’t claimed the area, we better get in there fast” by the Muslim countries. They also setup the phoney “Palistinian prople and “Nation” to try to lie their way through the specious claims.

    - What this all boils down to is another idiotic claim the Muslims make that if they ever occupy a land, for any lemgth of time, its forever theirs and they are duty bound to kill all the infidels.

    - Oh and your Liberal asshat mask is slipping steve(fn). You finally just couldn’t resist mentioning “oil”. As far as I know theres no oil fields in Isreal. Moron.

    - Bang **==

    Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 4/18/2006 - 4:35 pm


  28. WOO HOO!!! Does that mean we will have casinos all over North Carolina now?!

    Really, steve, even for you that was an absolute idiotic comparison. Please join us in a little place I like to call “the real world”.

    I am curious about one thing, steve, for someone who hates war, what do you think about the 4 wars that were launched against Israel by it’s neighbors? Or are the Arab wars George Bush’s fault as well?

    Comment by NC Cop @ 4/18/2006 - 6:14 pm


  29. - That ones easy NC Cop. The eeeeevilll Zionists, along with McChimpyBusHitlerburttin, was after all that oil in Gaza.

    - Steve wants to capitulate to the Wahabbi Jihadist Muslim extremists, turn over all lands in the Med to them, help the Islamic lunitics aquire nuclear weapons, then after a few months every Democratic country in the world will be radioactive dust, the Celaphate will have taken over the world, anyone that even looks wrong will be slaughtered, women and children will be back to the level of cattle, if they even suspect you’re a “Liberal” you’ll be lined up and shot, and all the billions killed in the name of Allah will have eternity to rest in “Peace”.

    - Bang **==

    Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 4/18/2006 - 6:43 pm


  30. They were justified. Those Zionists deserve everything and more!!! :((

    Comment by Baklava @ 4/18/2006 - 6:43 pm


  31. At least we’re begining to get the players right and that will show the con. Your correct about the Wahabbists, they were the ones who crashed into the WTO. Iran is full of Shi’ites and none of them crashed into the WTO. In Iraq the people killing us are the Sunni’s not the Shi’ites or Kurd’s. Why are we declaring war on the Shi’ite Islamists and letting the violent Wahabbist Sauni bin Laden of Saudi Arabia, run around free as a bird? The answer is oil, the more Mid-East countries we have troops in the more oil we can control. Peace

    Comment by steve @ 4/18/2006 - 7:48 pm


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