More on the Dems struggle to find unified message

Posted by: Sister Toldjah on March 7, 2006 at 9:39 am

I blogged last night about the Dems continued failure to find a unified message on Iraq. To the news junkie who follows politics very closely, it has been obvious that it’s not just the Iraq issue that the Dems have failed to find a unifying position on. It’s just about everything. The Washington Post writes about that today:

News about GOP political corruption, inept hurricane response and chaos in Iraq has lifted Democrats’ hopes of winning control of Congress this fall. But seizing the opportunity has not been easy, as they found when they tried to unveil an agenda of their own.

Democratic leaders had set a goal of issuing their legislative manifesto by November 2005 to give voters a full year to digest their proposals. But some Democrats protested that the release date was too early, so they put it off until January. The new date slipped twice again, and now House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) says the document will be unveiled in “a matter of weeks.”

Some Democrats fear that the hesitant handling is symbolic of larger problems facing the party in trying to seize control of the House and Senate after more than a decade of almost unbroken minority status. Lawmakers and strategists have complained about erratic or uncertain leadership and repeated delays in resolving important issues.

The conflict goes well beyond Capitol Hill. The failure of congressional leaders to deliver a clear message has left some Democratic governors deeply frustrated and at odds with Washington Democrats over strategy.

Party leaders, for example, have yet to decide whether Democrats should focus on a sharply negative campaign against President Bush and the Republicans, by jumping on debacles such as the administration’s handling of the Dubai port deal — or stress their own priorities and values.

There is no agreement on whether to try to nationalize the congressional campaign with a blueprint or “contract” with voters, as the Republicans did successfully in 1994, or to keep the races more local in tone. And the party is still divided over the war in Iraq: Some Democrats, including Pelosi, call for a phased withdrawal; many others back a longer-term military and economic commitment.

Read the whole thing.

The issue of Dems being unable to find unifying positions on any number of issues in an election year (the third such since the President was elected) is emblematic of their strategy – or lack thereof – over the course of the five years so far spent in battle with the Bush administration: ‘oppose the President at every turn, without offering any viable solutions of our own.’ Obviously, that hasn’t been a winning strategy so far and it remains to be seen as to whether or not the DNC can get their act together in time to take advantage of the various ’scandals’ which have plagued the admin over the last two years.

We know the RNC will be locked and loaded (metaphorically speaking, of course) and ready to roll: will you be, DNC?

More: Scott Ott reports on the upcoming unveiling of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s “Contract on America” ;)

Hat tip: California Conservative

(Cross-posted at Blogs For Bush)

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    1. Baklava says:

      According to this chart Steve and Sanity we’ve done that solution AND MORE. This country has implemented Steve’s solution by far more than the $225 billion. 49% to 20% in federal expenditures would be a cut in more than 600 Billion with a large percentage of that cut going into both Social Security and Medicare according to the chart.

    2. andrew says:

      “Andrew, this is part of the Democrat mantra for doing nothing about Social Security”

      What do you mean do nothing? It took a lot of doing to stop the privatization boondoggle.

    3. sanity says:

      boondoggle?

      How would that have hurt SS?

      20 percent would have been privatized.

      Politicians probably have dipped thier fingers in to more than that amount over the years easily.

    4. andrew says:

      “How would that have hurt SS?”

      If there isa problem with SS is that it doesn’t have enough money. The bush plan was to make this worse by taking money away from it.

    5. sanity says:

      Privatization would have earned more than what it does now.

      Government controlled everything like Communism does not do anything for growth, privatizing would.

      Also, they were only talking about a small portion of it.

      Also, since you said this: If there isa problem with SS is that it doesn’t have enough money. The bush plan was to make this worse by taking money away from it.

      Does this mean you are breaking away from the mentality of the Democrats that are saying there is nothing wrong with SS then?

    6. andrew says:

      “Privatization would have earned more than what it does now.”

      yes. money for nothing.

      “Does this mean you are breaking away from the mentality of the Democrats that are saying there is nothing wrong with SS then?”

      I said “if.” Do you understand what that word means?

    7. - So lets see if I get this right Andrew.

      - If we do nothing in some amount of time, 10 to 32 years depending on who’s economists you want to listen too, SS payouts will have to be reduced to 70% of todays rates, not even including inflation which could take another 20% plus bite. But we’ll just stick with the 70% figure so it doesn’t look like the desaster it could esily become.

      - The man comes to you and says. “Tell you what Sparky, if you want you can set aside 20% of your SS investment in a private “untouchable” acount. The average compounded rate of growth should be approximately 14% per year, assuming the entire United States doen’t go completely bankrupt, in which case we’ll all be screwed anyway.”

      - He continues. “Now I can’t guarentee it, but the worst that can happen is you’ll end up with the same amout you would have anyway if you did nothing, assuming absolutely zero profitable value growth in your “set aside”. On the other hand if it grows even on the low side of the last 50 year average you could end up with TWICE the payout when you retire.”

      - So if you do nothing your worst case is 70%, again forgetting inflation effects. If you do the set aside your worse case is still 70%, but your average possibility is +200%.

      - Sounds like a no-brainer even for a Liberal andrew.

      - You and I both know the core reasons the Left fights SS reform tooth and nail, and it has nothing to do with the good of Americans SS accounts or retirement. Nothing. Nada.

      - Bang **==

    8. steve says:

      The only thing wrong with Social Security is that the Capitalist warmongers want to use 50% of our tax dollars to build bombs to kill people with instead of properly funding the Social Security System and a Universal Health Care System. Republicans: the culture of Death. Peace

    9. andrew says:

      “If we do nothing in some amount of time, 10 to 32 years depending on who’s economists you want to listen too, SS payouts will have to be reduced to 70% of todays rates, not even including inflation which could take another 20% plus bite.”

      There’s also the possibility that we’ll beat the expectations, like we always have, and won’t have to cut bennies.

      ” The average compounded rate of growth should be approximately 14% per year”

      14% a year! says what? Why put in only 20%? Why not put in 100%? why not put in 200%, 300%, why not just borrow trillions of dollars and get that rate?

      Oh because that rate is make believe.

      “”Now I can’t guarentee it, but the worst that can happen is you’ll end up with the same amout you would have anyway if you did nothing, assuming absolutely zero profitable value growth in your “set aside”.”

      Why is the worst case 0 growth, why is the worst case not negative growth?

      “Sounds like a no-brainer even for a Liberal andrew.”

      It does take no brain to believe that money grows on trees.

      Here’s my nobrainer: If we ever get to a point where there are a lot of people on SS, and that this is a strain on the system, then there will be quite the political advantage for the guy that delivers 100% benefits. And then the problem will be solved.

    10. Baklava says:

      Steve, The only problem with your last comment is that it is FACTUALLY INCORRECT. Steve represents the culture of submission to the enemy. Show us Steve where a “capitalist warmongerer” “wants” to use “50%” of tax dollars to “build bombs”… You can’t. You are therefore only a liar until and unless you apologize for lying.

      Even more peace.

    11. - Andrew are you really that ignorant concerning investments. The set aside money is the same money that comes out of your paycheck every week.

      - Never mind. If you’re willing to be that obtuse, or inexperienced, or whatever is the cause for that piece of drival you just posted, why bother.

      - As I said. You and I both know the Liberal agenda behind blocking any meaningful corrections in the SS problems.

      – Bang **==

    12. PCD says:

      Ever hear of a person too stupid to own a computer? peace.

      Andrew, socialists like you will do anything to preserve a government program at the expense of the people it was supposed to help.
      Privatization puts the benefits and the earnings directly into the hands of the person that earned the money to begin with. Not only that, the entire account is the earner’s money to pass on to their heirs.

      Andrew, people like you are contemptable because you worship the government and government ownership of everything vs. the people.
      Democrats aren’t about helping people. They are solely about keeping themselves in power with serfs beholding to them.

    13. Baklava says:

      As in “The Road to Serfdom”

      A book Andrew should read.

    14. PCD says:

      Baklava,

      If the book isn’t endorsed by Kerry or Kennedy on Daily Krap, andrew won’t even look at it.

    15. Baklava says:

      :d

    16. - Think maybe that sort of muddle-headed thinking is the reason the Dummycrats are struggling to find a unifying message?

      - Bang **==

    17. sanity says:

      Unfortunately Democrats with no message may get a break if the Republicans can’t stop being stuck on stupid themselves.

      I ran acros sthe following over at Big Lizards and was quite suprised.

      Today, several prominent GOP congressmen tried their level best to lose the 2006 election — an election they could have won by being less… well, stupid.

      Fingers in the air, quivering bunny noses sensing a change in the wind, Republican Reps. Peter King (NY), Jerry Lewis (CA), Duncan Hunter (CA), Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert (IL), and newly elected House Majority Leader John Boehner (OH) have decided to attach a rider to an appropriations bill funding the troops and Hurricane Katrina victims; the rider is intended to kill the Dubai Ports deal outright, even before the extended investigation completes. No sense wasting time by waiting for actual facts!

      If they manage to get it passed — and a small minority of them can do it, if they link up with all of the Democrats — and if another small minority in the Senate join forces with Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Charles Schumer, Harry Reid, and their pals, then they will plop a must-veto, must-sign bill on Bush’s desk long before the agreed-upon review of the deal is even completed.

      —–

      The GOP had a great chance this year. Normally, the second-term midterm election is very bad for the incumbent party… but this time, the Democrats have been unable to come together on any platform, plan, or campaign theme whatsoever. The Republicans were well poised to maintain their majorities in both the House and Senate.

      Until now. It’s not that Republicans will vote for Democrats; but with the Congressional GOP attacking and trying to bring down the Republican president, a huge chunk of the Republican electorate may simply decide to stay home — “a plague on both your houses.” Today, if I were betting, I would wager that the Democrats pick up at least ten seats in the House and four or five in the Senate; maybe more. And I’m no longer even sure the Republicans deserve the majority anyway. Thanks, Mr. Stupid.

      As infuriating as it is to see the Squeaker of the House pile on, Boehner is even more of a disappointment. I don’t think anyone expected that the first peep we would hear out of the new majority leader would be “the polls are fluttering — throw the president under the bus!”

      —–

      Even the Democrats are stunned that the Republicans rolled over so rapidly.

      Link

      If the Republicans don’t get thier own act together it won’t matter if the Democrats have no platform and ideas.

    18. andrew says:

      “The set aside money is the same money that comes out of your paycheck every week.”

      And that’s the same money that’s used to pay for SS.

      “As I said. You and I both know the Liberal agenda behind blocking any meaningful corrections in the SS problems.”

      Yes, saving social security. Preventing it from being turned over to lobbyists like with medicare drug coverage. Preventing that disaster from wrecking a popular program.

    19. steve says:

      “Muddle- headed thinking”, have you ever had an original thought of your own? They “want” to use, as in “you want to be able to understand what you read, but you don’t yet”. Peace

    20. - For a guy who gets all his talking points from the Marxist manifesto, trying to refer to others understanding of things is pointless nattering. Pretty much like everything else you post every day. To be laughed at maybe, but certainly not taken seriously.

      - Bang **==

    21. forest hunter says:

      Bang it was talking to itself again, not to fuss. Head has a very different meaning for this unit.

      Marxist ya say? Ya I know the place. Ya ya, I gotcha steve. The Marxist meeting is ———> over there. Head that way. Keep going. Follow the lemmings! Use the faaaarce O BE steve. :o

    22. forest hunter says:

      UNIFIED message? What about “A” message? A direction. A plan. Did I miss something again, while I slept? :o Are they actually having like, some kind of ideas to choose from and creating a wormhole, due to the brilliant strategists spitting such an overwhelming number of reality based concepts out at the same time? @-)

    23. blogagog says:

      Using the awesome power of mathmatics, I can formulate the Democrat’s position!

      Dem Position = (Repub Position) x (-1)

      I was never into political science. I’m more of a political math guy ;)

    24. forest hunter says:

      blogagog: Is that anything like human geography? Whatever that’s supposed to be….. No matter how you cook it, a snake will always taste like a snake and we’d call it a snake-not a human snake.

      sincerely swearits krikulum,
      Baldy Bennish

    25. blogagog says:

      HAH! I looked up ‘krikulum’ before I realized what you were saying:). The only link is to a course on forestry! Too funny.

    26. forest hunter says:

      :d:d:d